BF2S Forums Alabama councilman removes Confederate flags from graves

Macbeth wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Yes it is. I think the KKK and neo Nazis have a perfect enough right to display their shit on their property and graves.

Even if you don't agree with them, don't take away their right to display their views.

No they dont and try and stop me.

Your in Britain, I wouldn't even try to stop you since the government would be on your side anyway.

I think its cus youre scared of m3thod

Macbeth wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Your in Britain, I wouldn't even try to stop you since the government would be on your side anyway.

I think its cus youre scared of m3thod

lol what are you implying?

ummm....that...you're scared of....m3thod?

Last edited by Man With No Name (2009-04-24 16:36:54)

Man With No Name wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

I think its cus youre scared of m3thod

lol what are you implying?

ummm....that...you're scare of....m3thod?

There more to hat statement, either way I have stuff to do. I'll be back in time.

Macbeth wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

lol what are you implying?

ummm....that...you're scare of....m3thod?

There more to hat statement, either way I have stuff to do. I'll be back in time.

I know.  I just wasnt taking the bait.  You think youre clever.

Im sure images like or you would have no problem with.

if I was a lawyer i would argue that he did not violate anyones free speech because the dead people werent the ones that put the flags on their own graves. 


so, what gives someone the right to place decorations on someones plot without the permission of the deceased.

if I was a lawyer.

it's alabama

caint get more backwards than it

FatherTed wrote:

100% ok with that.

Slavery, AWSM idea.

Sorry no.

also, while i agree with (what seems to be) everyone else's position that the flag should be treated in much the same way nazi memoribilia is, the flag doesn't represent slavery so much as it did the difference between the heavily industrialized north and the rural south

Mekstizzle wrote:

I never understood why all the southern american states are allowed to display all that confederate crap. You constantly deride the Germans and the Japanese whenever they do something that resembles or links to anything from their WW2 days, but you can't do the same to the people who do it in your own country from the Civil War days

Your civil war wasn't that long ago in a modern context

First these were my countrymen, not foreign Nazis or Imperial Japanese Army.  Brother fought brother.  Dad fought Son.  After the war the Union was still weak.  You guys think the confederate flag is the only flag representative of the South?  States individual rights were important.  They were afforded concessions.

I agree it wasn't  that long ago but if you compare the European slavery time-line to the USSESSES in the context of civilizations then it was some time ago.

Secondly, and most important -the views/posts here are very frighteningly the products of revision history as it also illustrates the lack of insight that people have to the actual cause of the American Civil War and what the 'South' represented..  Granted GS with "spit on enemies of the republic, past and present." is pretty bad ass and all. 

The bottom line is it appears that the council man has confessed to breaking a law or two (Section 13A-7-23: Criminal mischief in the third degree/ or perhaps even Section 13A-7-23.1: Desecration, defacement, etc. of memorial of dead; invasion or mutilation of corpse) and deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Edit:  The racists flag is the kkk one and it looks nothing like the confederate battle flag

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2009-04-24 20:21:50)

Macbeth wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

lol ok everyone is fine about some dickhead thinking because he has a problem with it, it makes it acceptable to mess with the graves of other people.

it's not acceptable to display racist material anywhere that inculdes fuckin graves.

Yes it is. I think the KKK and neo Nazis have a perfect enough right to display their shit on their property and graves.

Even if you don't agree with them, don't take away their right to display their views.

Why? They're symbols hate and oppression which a lot of people find insulting. Freedom of speech and thought should only go so far.

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

m3thod wrote:

it's not acceptable to display racist material anywhere that inculdes fuckin graves.

Yes it is. I think the KKK and neo Nazis have a perfect enough right to display their shit on their property and graves.

Even if you don't agree with them, don't take away their right to display their views.

Why? They're symbols hate and oppression which a lot of people find insulting. Freedom of speech and thought should only go so far.

commie.

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Freedom of speech and thought should only go so far.

Seems you wouldn't have a problem with fascism as long as it supported only your views.

xBlackPantherx wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Then it would be the police who should of removed it. Not some guy who doesn't like it.

Legally it would be up to the family members who arranged for the burial.

Auburn Councilman Arthur L. Dowdell...when several people told him they “had a problem” with the flags.

Macbeth wrote:

lol ok everyone is fine about some dickhead thinking because he has a problem with it, it makes it acceptable to mess with the graves of other people.

And again...

Auburn Councilman Arthur L. Dowdell...when several people told him they “had a problem” with the flags.

It's not just "some dickhead" who's the only one that "has a problem" with it. It's a councilman, with authority, who was responding to public complaints about visual signs that infer the belief/ideas of racism, recession and intolerance by a fucking middle school with children.

I for one don't want my children around those beliefs and visuals as much as I would having the same points replaced with a Nazi flag/extremists of any kind/that 'black power' picture put up before (depends. What I mean is if that circumstance is promoting inequality of any kind)/etc.

It's just like any school not allowing swastikas/offensive/degrading material and, at times depending where you are, confederate symbols because that is essentially saying you believe in those ideals that were followed at the time. Why should those symbols be allowed 100 feet outside the school?




EDIT: Don't take the black power comment out of context. I'm saying I support equality and against inequality in either direction.

Freedom of speech isn't meant to protect the speech you like it's to protect the speech you don't.
Don't raise your kids to be so narrow minded let them see what other views are out there and make up their own minds on things.

xBlackPantherx wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Freedom of speech isn't meant to protect the speech you like it's to protect the speech you don't.
Don't raise your kids to be so narrow minded let them see what other views are out there and make up their own minds on things.

But like many other laws, there are limits and safeguards. You can say you hate the president, but to intentionally accusing him of something provably false is illegal; applying to anyone. Absolute freedom isn't freedom. There must be a limit.

How do you get off assuming, even bringing up, that I'd be raising my kids to be narrow minded by not wanting them to be discriminatory? In fact, I'm pretty sure that's the opposite. You're reading stuff that's not there. Sorry if I wouldn't want my kid being a racist, fascist bigot.

I don't think there should be limits to free speech, there shouldn't be. We'll all be mindless drones if we all start to agree and limit the things we don't agree with that we deem as either racist, evil, or crazy.

I wouldn't ind if my kids grew up it to be racist, fascist, gay, communist, liberal, or conservative. I would rather have my kids make up their own minds on things and have their own views.

Mekstizzle wrote:

I never understood why all the southern american states are allowed to display all that confederate crap. You constantly deride the Germans and the Japanese whenever they do something that resembles or links to anything from their WW2 days, but you can't do the same to the people who do it in your own country from the Civil War days

Your civil war wasn't that long ago in a modern context

The difference between America and Europe is that we value our freedom of speech more.  For example, Germany still doesn't allow Nazi flags or other Nazi displays.  I understand why they do that, but they are a perfect example of a much more recent fallen enemy.

Still, Germany should probably consider allowing them now, since it's been over 60 years.

As for the Confederate flag, I believe it should be allowed on the display of graves as respect to the fallen.  This isn't something unheard of.  Plenty of other countries allow this in respect to the dead.

The soldiers of the Confederacy deserve no less respect than the soldiers of the Union.