BF2S Forums Sniper vs baserape... thoughts?

Thats no way to run a server. i feel your pain though.

I drove into an enemy flag with an APC one time. as i was lowering the flag i saw him spawn and i quickly killed him, just like what would happen to me in the reverse. anyway just as i neutralize the flag i get booted with a message "spawn rapeing" now that was my only kill at the flag and besides all that i was in flag range the entire time. the admin was just a little cry baby who can't take being pwned like a man. just like in your case.

dshak wrote:

Just wondering...

I got kicked this weekend for baseraping an uncappable... as a sniper... I was in an enemy airfield harassing pilots and anyone else in sight. I didn't kill anyone on instant spawn (frankly I'm not that good). Unfortunately I ran into a jet whore who was also an admin who didn't like having his craw sprayed all over the windshield by an M95. No warning. kick.

When I rejoined an politely asked what I did, I was called a "baserapping son of a bitch" an banned. I found this rather amusing.

I'm wondering, would the general community not agree with me that what I was doing would be on of the major reasons the sniper class exists in this game??? To harass the other team, distracting them while my noble teammates take care of other buisiness. I mean, when they made a sniper unlock that shoot through glass, I don't think what they had in mind was sniping pilots out of moving jets, but perhaps I am wrong.

Either way, I consider base raping sitting in an enemy uncap with a tank and waisting guys the moment they appear... not sitting 300 meters away on a hillside pestering pilots with sniper fire. I think thats just being a good sniper personally.

I'm curious if most consider sniping an airbase unethical? perhaps I should stop?

(lets leave out the "sniper is a worthless class comments" please, frankly if thats the opinion you have to offer nobody who would be interested in this thread cares to hear from you)

Excellent work, sniper. Its always a beutiful tactic to penetrate enemy lines and drop unsuspecting opponants like wet rags. Just next time find a server that is not run by douche bags. They apparently dont like to get their ass handed to them.

I love doing the same thing you do, even the US carrier when i am mec.


Oh yea, and kudos on your next venture.

Last edited by Drunken_Tankdriver (2006-03-27 10:25:57)

next time, plant claymores where they run to get the jets, that will teach them

There is no such thing as base-raping. Just people who like to whine.

I like to baserape "Grand Theft Auto" style and just mow motherfukers down with a buggy all day long, hilarious.

attacking an enemy chopper / jet pilot with a m95 in an uncapturable base is baseraping. no matter how u interpret it. being kicked / banned for that is a legal result. 

why the m95 exists if u arent allowed to attack uncapturable bases? lol, because there are some maps where choppers in capturable bases spawn.

btw: snipers CAN'T help the team. they dont take points. they dont kill many enemies. I dont wanna say that they are useless. sometimes they are. rarely they are.

man, welcome to my world.

lol, i find it quite satisfying when that happens and i tell myself that i've done my job when i get kicked for over killing.

I have to say, an M95 sniper probably helped his team win the game in Operation Smokescreen the other day. He camped the Euro main base and kept sniping the pilots when they got into the planes and choppers, effectively denying us our air support; that has to have helped his team immensely. I don’t think it’s “illegal” or worthy of banning either, even though it sucked for my team. It was about as effective use of a sniper as a team could ask for.

I had a co-worker (just retired) who was an Army Special Forces sniper in Vietnam (real life, not the game), he had some spooky stories and most of the time he went way into enemy territory and to their main bases deep inside their lines to take out enemy commanders and such, so I think the real life application is synonymous.

Last edited by gearpig (2006-03-27 17:01:16)

Ghosty wrote:

admin/ server rules...... Cant read them dont bother playing on their servers. If the server says dont baserape/camp then dont! Why should they have to put up with people ignoring the rules then come here and btich?

I'd have to say that for me, it would be much more pleasurable to hunt you down and pop a round off in you and giggle as you would have to walk/run all the way back to get that spot again.

But that’s just me

Although I believe that still counts as uncap-able baserape and as said in the ROE, it’s up to the server admins to allow or deny it. It should clearly state that in the loading message though.

btw: snipers CAN'T help the team. they dont take points. they dont kill many enemies. I dont wanna say that they are useless. sometimes they are. rarely they are.

What's more valuable. Someone running around that ends up with 15 kills and 10 deaths or a sniper with 15 kills and 1 death.   I can't count how many times I have saved unsuspecting squads from a group of incoming enemies trying to defend their flag. Shot one, get their attention, spot 'em for the squad, then pick off the rest.

Last edited by staticblue (2006-03-27 19:11:20)

Couple quick thoughts...

A) thanks to all of you for your responses. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't engaging in behavior commonly considered unethical

B) there were no server rules listed, least of all any against baseraping uncaps, and finally... pretty sure what I did wasnt either spawnkilling or baseraping (someone explain to me how to RAPE a base with a bolt action rifle please)

C) to the gent who says snipers are worthless and don't help their team... I haven't played a round of sniper in months were I didn't have at LEAST a 5 to 1 kill to death ratio. The ONLY reason my overall sniper K/D is only 2 to 1 right now is the first half year I played this game I was terrible at it. Most of the time I am around 10 kills per single death. I'm hovering right around a +10 as far as tickets taken from the other team compared to tickets lost... please explain to me how I am not helping my team?

D) Finally, my personal opinion is that there should be no rules against attacking uncappable flags for a few reasons...
1 - there are MANY maps where one team has an uncap and the other doesn't... soooooo this means one team gets a safehouse? gimmie a break.
2 - isn't one of the major objectives of classes like special ops and sniper to infiltrate enemy territory and distrupt their action?
3 - most of the time its easily countered, unless someone is exploiting the game, case in point the screenshot on here of like 9 tanks parked in an enemy base on Euroforce, all of them engineers, forming a near indestructable ring of spawnkillers.

My gut tells me that sometimes our little airplane specialists (see how diplomatic that was) just don't like it that they are getting sprayed by some sniper, or they worry me killing them will allow someone else to jump in their precious jet. No offense to anyone in particular, but I find the jet pilots more often that not to be the MOST obnoxious players in the game, constantly griping if things aren't going their way or TKing for their jets. Anything that upsets their comfort level is unfair or unethical. They think its cheating for a sniper to spray them, yet don't have any moral objections to the point and click laser guided missiles.

I digress. thanks all!

Last edited by dshak (2006-03-27 20:30:26)

ok, a reason not to attack an uncapturable base:

imagine that you are playing wake island on a 32 slot server with 8/8 people in it. now imagine you are on usmc side. you spawn on the carrier ready to take a flag (whats almost impossible if you are not playing with a really good squad communicating over TS / VoIP ...). you jump into the blackhawk and then you got sniped / bombed. this happens 5 times in a row. and now it is almost impossible to win the round.

the decision to set those rules depends on the server conditions. on a 64 server IMO attacking an uncap is ok, because there are lots of more chances to get to the island. a good admin can evaluate whether attacking an uncap is fair or not. and setting a rule depending on a special map makes no sense. whether you are allowed to attack or not.

xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:

It is considered baseraping if you're attacking an uncap base. Doesn't matter where you are its still baseraping

what about a spec op attacking the commander's assets? why is that not considered baserapping? a plane or heli is just another asset. i don't think that he was baserapping at all. if he was in armor and just camping out waiting for people to spawn then that's something different.