m3thod
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lowing wrote:

"If there is any "apartheid policies", it is against Israel by the Arab and Islamic nations, and it would be so,"

THis is what i WROTE, key phrases being "apartheid policies", and "AND IT WOULD BE SO". It is no secret that these nations want Israel destroyed, and after that what would happen to the Jews at that point? DO you think they would be considered equals in the eyes of the new Arab or Islamic nation that filled the void that was once Israel? Iran already holds Jews as second class citizens. Your belief that, AFTER ISRAEL, the Jews would live in equality, and/or peace is not supported by history..
You should really looking into something called knowledge.  It's quite useful.

The Constitution of Iran says that Jews are equal to Muslims. Imam Khomeini visited with members of the Jewish community and issued a decree ordering the adherents of Judaism and other revealed religions to be protected. Jews are entitled to self-administration and elect their own representative to the 290-seat Majlis. Jewish burial rites and divorce laws are accepted by Islamic courts. Tehran has over 20 synagogues. Iran has one of only four Jewish charity hospitals in the world. The hospital has received donations from top Iranian officials, including President Ahmadinejad. Kosher butcher shops are available in Iran. There are Hebrew schools and coeducation is allowed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Je … us_in_Iran
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benefit
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m3thod wrote:

lowing wrote:

"If there is any "apartheid policies", it is against Israel by the Arab and Islamic nations, and it would be so,"

THis is what i WROTE, key phrases being "apartheid policies", and "AND IT WOULD BE SO". It is no secret that these nations want Israel destroyed, and after that what would happen to the Jews at that point? DO you think they would be considered equals in the eyes of the new Arab or Islamic nation that filled the void that was once Israel? Iran already holds Jews as second class citizens. Your belief that, AFTER ISRAEL, the Jews would live in equality, and/or peace is not supported by history..
You should really looking into something called knowledge.  It's quite useful.

The Constitution of Iran says that Jews are equal to Muslims. Imam Khomeini visited with members of the Jewish community and issued a decree ordering the adherents of Judaism and other revealed religions to be protected. Jews are entitled to self-administration and elect their own representative to the 290-seat Majlis. Jewish burial rites and divorce laws are accepted by Islamic courts. Tehran has over 20 synagogues. Iran has one of only four Jewish charity hospitals in the world. The hospital has received donations from top Iranian officials, including President Ahmadinejad. Kosher butcher shops are available in Iran. There are Hebrew schools and coeducation is allowed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Je … us_in_Iran
so iranian jews are allowed is that your point?

pity the iranian leadership doesn't feel the same way about jews in israel

the whole point of this racism conference was to have a go at israel
oh and to make criticism of a religion (islam) a crime

i would be more impressed if the opponents of israel who are keen for this lawto go through offered jews the same respect.....everywhere in the world

british jews were victimised by muslim neighbours during the recent war in gaza......the attackers and the victims were both british ......it seems that in the eyes of some people jews are fair game ...but their faith should be protected at all costs

these countries were right to boycott a racist meeting

Last edited by benefit (2009-04-20 09:30:40)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6884|SE London

benefit wrote:

m3thod wrote:

lowing wrote:

"If there is any "apartheid policies", it is against Israel by the Arab and Islamic nations, and it would be so,"

THis is what i WROTE, key phrases being "apartheid policies", and "AND IT WOULD BE SO". It is no secret that these nations want Israel destroyed, and after that what would happen to the Jews at that point? DO you think they would be considered equals in the eyes of the new Arab or Islamic nation that filled the void that was once Israel? Iran already holds Jews as second class citizens. Your belief that, AFTER ISRAEL, the Jews would live in equality, and/or peace is not supported by history..
You should really looking into something called knowledge.  It's quite useful.

The Constitution of Iran says that Jews are equal to Muslims. Imam Khomeini visited with members of the Jewish community and issued a decree ordering the adherents of Judaism and other revealed religions to be protected. Jews are entitled to self-administration and elect their own representative to the 290-seat Majlis. Jewish burial rites and divorce laws are accepted by Islamic courts. Tehran has over 20 synagogues. Iran has one of only four Jewish charity hospitals in the world. The hospital has received donations from top Iranian officials, including President Ahmadinejad. Kosher butcher shops are available in Iran. There are Hebrew schools and coeducation is allowed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Je … us_in_Iran
so iranian jews are allowed is that your point?

pity the iranian leadership doesn't feel the same way about jews in israel

the whole point of this racism conference was to have a go at israel
oh and to make criticism of a religion (islam) a crime

i would be more impressed if the opponents of israel who are keen for this lawto go through offered jews the same respect.....everywhere in the world

british jews were victimised by muslim neighbours during the recent war in gaza......the attackers and the victims were both british ......it seems that in the eyes of some people jews are fair game ...but their faith should be protected at all costs

these countries were right to boycott a racist meeting
But Israel is wrong to be pursuing policies that have clear and direct parallels to apartheid.

The big, powerful countries need to speak out about that and there needs to be some sort of platform, not awash with hatred, for them to do so. Obviously Durban II is not the best choice, but there needs to be a more legitimate alternative to address these issues.
lowing
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+1,662|6953|USA

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

"If there is any "apartheid policies", it is against Israel by the Arab and Islamic nations, and it would be so,"

THis is what i WROTE, key phrases being "apartheid policies", and "AND IT WOULD BE SO". It is no secret that these nations want Israel destroyed, and after that what would happen to the Jews at that point? DO you think they would be considered equals in the eyes of the new Arab or Islamic nation that filled the void that was once Israel? Iran already holds Jews as second class citizens. Your belief that, AFTER ISRAEL, the Jews would live in equality, and/or peace is not supporte by history..
Yes, that is what you wrote. In amongst all that horrific child like grammar you talk about apartheid, demonstrating almost complete ignorance of what the word means.

There are Jews living in Iran. There is no apartheid in Iran. Jews there are protected under the Iranian constitution. Even if you were linguistically correct, you don't have your facts straight. The US has made allegations of discrimination under the system in Iran, but these are claims that have been strenuously denied by the Jews actually living in Iran.
I know exactly what the word means, and I wrote nothing that is inaccurate to that point. IF the Arab and Islamic nations had their way, Israel would be destroyed, the "apartheid polices" ( not my phrase) would dominate the attitude toward Jews in the after math.

Y0u are on crack if you think the Jews in Iran live in an equal and tolerant society..
Flecco
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Protip for benefit:

Jews =/= Israel, k?

Last edited by Flecco (2009-04-20 09:38:42)

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Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6884|SE London

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

"If there is any "apartheid policies", it is against Israel by the Arab and Islamic nations, and it would be so,"

THis is what i WROTE, key phrases being "apartheid policies", and "AND IT WOULD BE SO". It is no secret that these nations want Israel destroyed, and after that what would happen to the Jews at that point? DO you think they would be considered equals in the eyes of the new Arab or Islamic nation that filled the void that was once Israel? Iran already holds Jews as second class citizens. Your belief that, AFTER ISRAEL, the Jews would live in equality, and/or peace is not supporte by history..
Yes, that is what you wrote. In amongst all that horrific child like grammar you talk about apartheid, demonstrating almost complete ignorance of what the word means.

There are Jews living in Iran. There is no apartheid in Iran. Jews there are protected under the Iranian constitution. Even if you were linguistically correct, you don't have your facts straight. The US has made allegations of discrimination under the system in Iran, but these are claims that have been strenuously denied by the Jews actually living in Iran.
I know exactly what the word means, and I wrote nothing that is inaccurate to that point. IF the Arab and Islamic nations had their way, Israel would be destroyed, the "apartheid polices" ( not my phrase) would dominate the attitude toward Jews in the after math.

Y0u are on crack if you think the Jews in Iran live in an equal and tolerant society..
Under Iranian LAW Jews have exactly the same rights as Muslims in Iran. If you can't see that that isn't apartheid then you don't know what it means.
Man With No Name
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I dont understand lowings hatred for islam.  I mean, Im sure Ive been more directly effected by the actions of crazy muslims and I know that whole "us vs them" mentality is totally wrong.


I dont see any difference between the guy saying "god is great" while he waits to detonate an IED and the born again christian asking for jesus' help in killing other human beings.

Last edited by Man With No Name (2009-04-20 09:45:27)

AussieReaper
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Flecco wrote:

Protip for benefit:

Jews =/= Israel, k?
Another protip:

Jews =/= Zionists, k?
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6884|SE London

Man With No Name wrote:

I dont understand lowings hatred for islam.  I mean, Im sure Ive been more directly effected by the actions of crazy muslims and I know that whole "us vs them" mentality is totally wrong.


I dont see any difference between the guy saying "god is great" while he waits to detonate an IED and the born again christian asking for jesus' help in killing other human beings.
Ditto.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6953|USA

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


Yes, that is what you wrote. In amongst all that horrific child like grammar you talk about apartheid, demonstrating almost complete ignorance of what the word means.

There are Jews living in Iran. There is no apartheid in Iran. Jews there are protected under the Iranian constitution. Even if you were linguistically correct, you don't have your facts straight. The US has made allegations of discrimination under the system in Iran, but these are claims that have been strenuously denied by the Jews actually living in Iran.
I know exactly what the word means, and I wrote nothing that is inaccurate to that point. IF the Arab and Islamic nations had their way, Israel would be destroyed, the "apartheid polices" ( not my phrase) would dominate the attitude toward Jews in the after math.

Y0u are on crack if you think the Jews in Iran live in an equal and tolerant society..
Under Iranian LAW Jews have exactly the same rights as Muslims in Iran. If you can't see that that isn't apartheid then you don't know what it means.
You know what, I treat my dog well, I feed him well, I allow him to sleep on my bed even. Still I recognize that HE is MY dog, and I am his master.

Iran does not view the Jews as equals, just because they are allowed to do certain things and might be treated well in other areas, thewy are not considered equals.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6884|SE London

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:


I know exactly what the word means, and I wrote nothing that is inaccurate to that point. IF the Arab and Islamic nations had their way, Israel would be destroyed, the "apartheid polices" ( not my phrase) would dominate the attitude toward Jews in the after math.

Y0u are on crack if you think the Jews in Iran live in an equal and tolerant society..
Under Iranian LAW Jews have exactly the same rights as Muslims in Iran. If you can't see that that isn't apartheid then you don't know what it means.
You know what, I treat my dog well, I feed him well, I allow him to sleep on my bed even. Still I recognize that HE is MY dog, and I am his master.

Iran does not view the Jews as equals, just because they are allowed to do certain things and might be treated well in other areas, thewy are not considered equals.
And what relevance does that have to apartheid? That's the word you used and that word applies only to legal segregation.

Maybe the Iranians do not view the Jews as equal - but the Iranian Jews themselves say they do and who are you or I to argue with them?
AussieReaper
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lowing wrote:

You know what, I treat my dog well, I feed him well, I allow him to sleep on my bed even. Still I recognize that HE is MY dog, and I am his master.

Iran does not view the Jews as equals, just because they are allowed to do certain things and might be treated well in other areas, thewy are not considered equals.
Does Israel consider Iran equals?
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Man With No Name
جندي
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so lowing still doesnt know what apartheid means.  instead arguing the case for his misuse of the the term in the context in which he intended, he talks about his dog sleeping on the bed. 

stay on topic.  make your argument.  dont change the story.

you always do this lowing.  as soon as you find that youve back yourself in a corner, you change the subject by going off on a tangent or talking about how youre being insulted.  its a very common theme in your posts.
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5877|The Wild West
or you do the "show me where I said...yada yada yada"
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6884|SE London

Man With No Name wrote:

so lowing still doesnt know what apartheid means.  instead arguing the case for his misuse of the the term in the context in which he intended, he talks about his dog sleeping on the bed. 

stay on topic.  make your argument.  dont change the story.

you always do this lowing.  as soon as you find that youve back yourself in a corner, you change the subject by going off on a tangent or talking about how youre being insulted.  its a very common theme in your posts.
Or he asks you to prove something and when you do he ignores it....
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

Shit would be so much simpler in the Middle East if Judaism and Islam had taken the Christian route of separating culture, religion, ethnicity and politics.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
AussieReaper
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Flecco wrote:

Shit would be so much simpler in the Middle East if Judaism and Islam had taken the Christian route of separating culture, religion, ethnicity and politics.
It can't/won't happen.

As the first atheist elected into Jerusalem or Iran the first thing I would do is bulldoze all the temples, mosques and synagogues.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
AussieReaper
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lowing wrote:

Flecco wrote:

So lowing, apartheid policies are cool yeah? Or is Israel a special case?
If there is any "apartheid policies", it is against Israel by the Arab and Islamic nations, and it would be so, if it were not for Israel's ability to defend itself and fend off any such action.
Actually I don't think lowing realises there are Jews living in Iran.

The largest Jewish population in the Middle East outside of Israel is in Iran. lol
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Flecco
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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Flecco wrote:

So lowing, apartheid policies are cool yeah? Or is Israel a special case?
If there is any "apartheid policies", it is against Israel by the Arab and Islamic nations, and it would be so, if it were not for Israel's ability to defend itself and fend off any such action.
Actually I don't think lowing realises there are Jews living in Iran.

The largest Jewish population in the Middle East outside of Israel is in Iran. lol
Mentioned previously by Bert.


Apparently even if you have the same legal rights as every other citizen in the country the government is still segregating you.


Ffs Reaps go to bed.

Last edited by Flecco (2009-04-20 10:11:41)

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lowing
Banned
+1,662|6953|USA

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


Under Iranian LAW Jews have exactly the same rights as Muslims in Iran. If you can't see that that isn't apartheid then you don't know what it means.
You know what, I treat my dog well, I feed him well, I allow him to sleep on my bed even. Still I recognize that HE is MY dog, and I am his master.

Iran does not view the Jews as equals, just because they are allowed to do certain things and might be treated well in other areas, thewy are not considered equals.
And what relevance does that have to apartheid? That's the word you used and that word applies only to legal segregation.

Maybe the Iranians do not view the Jews as equal - but the Iranian Jews themselves say they do and who are you or I to argue with them?
The word also goes toward discrimination and the way a specific group is treated compared to another.

Jews are subject to Sharia Law, ( never mind that they are not MUslim) Do you really have any doubt as to who Sharia Law favors in its applications?
AussieReaper
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lowing wrote:

Do you really have any doubt as to who Sharia Law favors in its applications?
The victim?
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
lowing
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+1,662|6953|USA

Man With No Name wrote:

so lowing still doesnt know what apartheid means.  instead arguing the case for his misuse of the the term in the context in which he intended, he talks about his dog sleeping on the bed. 

stay on topic.  make your argument.  dont change the story.

you always do this lowing.  as soon as you find that youve back yourself in a corner, you change the subject by going off on a tangent or talking about how youre being insulted.  its a very common theme in your posts.
I think I have proven my point
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5877|The Wild West
no you havent.  its funny because Im certain you know you are wrong, you just want to keep going.  Apartheid is a very specific term lowing.  Very specific.  You are not using that word correctly.  Ive just looked up LEGAL definition of apartheid, and you still cant use that word in your argument.  quit being dense.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6953|USA

Man With No Name wrote:

so lowing still doesnt know what apartheid means.  instead arguing the case for his misuse of the the term in the context in which he intended, he talks about his dog sleeping on the bed. 

stay on topic.  make your argument.  dont change the story.

you always do this lowing.  as soon as you find that youve back yourself in a corner, you change the subject by going off on a tangent or talking about how youre being insulted.  its a very common theme in your posts.
I d onot back down form arguments, and I do not change the subject. I do not go off on "tangents" and I only point out personal attacks, when I have been personally attacked.

Also, I only ask to be shown where I have said something when I have been quoted as saying it.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:


You know what, I treat my dog well, I feed him well, I allow him to sleep on my bed even. Still I recognize that HE is MY dog, and I am his master.

Iran does not view the Jews as equals, just because they are allowed to do certain things and might be treated well in other areas, thewy are not considered equals.
And what relevance does that have to apartheid? That's the word you used and that word applies only to legal segregation.

Maybe the Iranians do not view the Jews as equal - but the Iranian Jews themselves say they do and who are you or I to argue with them?
The word also goes toward discrimination and the way a specific group is treated compared to another.

Jews are subject to Sharia Law, ( never mind that they are not MUslim) Do you really have any doubt as to who Sharia Law favors in its applications?
Nah, apartheid means segregation by race in all areas. Political, economic and legal. That's what Princeton Uni has it down for anyway.
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