Where is your fury towards the Mormon community lowing?
I'm surprised lowing hasn't compared the two, but keeps pushing for all of us to do it for him.
We've all said you can't compare them, for obvious reasons.
I put it back on him to give us some comparisons. So long as they are credible.
We've all said you can't compare them, for obvious reasons.
I put it back on him to give us some comparisons. So long as they are credible.
@ Uzique
Yeah was a bit of a shit post. I've given up on any thread with the words 'Islam sux blah de blah' etc, and with lowing as an OP'er.
Only really try for the energy/earth/UK/Ireland threads now, you occasionally get decent debate in them.
Yeah was a bit of a shit post. I've given up on any thread with the words 'Islam sux blah de blah' etc, and with lowing as an OP'er.
Only really try for the energy/earth/UK/Ireland threads now, you occasionally get decent debate in them.
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Note to self: Idea for comedy movie...
Lowing's daughter brings her new boyfriend from college home to stay for the Christmas holidays only for lowing to discover he is a Muslim. Riotous comic capers ensue.
Lowing's daughter brings her new boyfriend from college home to stay for the Christmas holidays only for lowing to discover he is a Muslim. Riotous comic capers ensue.
LOL, I always loved the argument, well Islam maybe fucked up but so is every other religion as a justification and rationalisation of the actions of Islam in todays world. This is always used when Islam and the actons committed in its name and its founder, can no longer be expalined away.Dilbert_X wrote:
As they guy said, its like comparing finer points of the cookie-monster and kermit the frog, 2,000 years later based on the writings of people who didn't know them either - if they even existed.lowing wrote:
Please give me a fuckin break with this bullshit you are trying to pass off as far as the life of Jesus. It is desperate at the very least. Already asked before if anyone wanted to do a direct comparison between the mortal lives of Jesus and Muhammed and you all ran for the woodeork. I can not help that.
Its only total fuckwits who take religion seriously in any case, Christianity is backwards mumbo-jumbo, judaism and islam the same.
Evil fuckwits of all religions use religion as an excuse to perpetrate evil, christianity and the good ole god-fearin' USofA are no different in those respects - although your brainwashing may be telling you different.
Catholic - that makes sense now, total and dogmatic belief in arcane and non-sensical mumbo-jumbo to the exclusion of all available evidence.
Do you only read the bits of posts that you like lowing? Stating that all religion is full of shit is in no way an attempt to "justify" the actions of a religion, on the contrary in fact, it only further points out the absurdity of doing certain things in the name of religion. You have an axe to grind with Islam... we get it. This neurosis you suffer from seems to exclude certain other historical facts from your world-view, facts that would fly in the face of your belief system, for example Zionism being used as a justification for land theft and a tyrannical regime in the Holy land, or Christianity being used as a justification for the land-grabbing and slaughter of the crusades.lowing wrote:
LOL, I always loved the argument, well Islam maybe fucked up but so is every other religion as a justification and rationalisation of the actions of Islam in todays world. This is always used when Islam and the actons committed in its name and its founder, can no longer be expalined away.Dilbert_X wrote:
As they guy said, its like comparing finer points of the cookie-monster and kermit the frog, 2,000 years later based on the writings of people who didn't know them either - if they even existed.lowing wrote:
Please give me a fuckin break with this bullshit you are trying to pass off as far as the life of Jesus. It is desperate at the very least. Already asked before if anyone wanted to do a direct comparison between the mortal lives of Jesus and Muhammed and you all ran for the woodeork. I can not help that.
Its only total fuckwits who take religion seriously in any case, Christianity is backwards mumbo-jumbo, judaism and islam the same.
Evil fuckwits of all religions use religion as an excuse to perpetrate evil, christianity and the good ole god-fearin' USofA are no different in those respects - although your brainwashing may be telling you different.
Catholic - that makes sense now, total and dogmatic belief in arcane and non-sensical mumbo-jumbo to the exclusion of all available evidence.
Religion is stupid and has always been used as a tool for evil people to try and achieve what they want. Islam is just the poster boy of the times.
"Islam is just the poster boy of the times." Bingo Braddock, a time in whic hI happen to live in. I really d onot give 2 flying fucks what happened 2000 years ago, or even 1100 years ago. I live here and now, and now Islam is the problem. As far as the Jews in Israel goes, they just have t odeal with the problem more than most of us.Braddock wrote:
Do you only read the bits of posts that you like lowing? Stating that all religion is full of shit is in no way an attempt to "justify" the actions of a religion, on the contrary in fact, it only further points out the absurdity of doing certain things in the name of religion. You have an axe to grind with Islam... we get it. This neurosis you suffer from seems to exclude certain other historical facts from your world-view, facts that would fly in the face of your belief system, for example Zionism being used as a justification for land theft and a tyrannical regime in the Holy land, or Christianity being used as a justification for the land-grabbing and slaughter of the crusades.lowing wrote:
LOL, I always loved the argument, well Islam maybe fucked up but so is every other religion as a justification and rationalisation of the actions of Islam in todays world. This is always used when Islam and the actons committed in its name and its founder, can no longer be expalined away.Dilbert_X wrote:
As they guy said, its like comparing finer points of the cookie-monster and kermit the frog, 2,000 years later based on the writings of people who didn't know them either - if they even existed.
Its only total fuckwits who take religion seriously in any case, Christianity is backwards mumbo-jumbo, judaism and islam the same.
Evil fuckwits of all religions use religion as an excuse to perpetrate evil, christianity and the good ole god-fearin' USofA are no different in those respects - although your brainwashing may be telling you different.
Catholic - that makes sense now, total and dogmatic belief in arcane and non-sensical mumbo-jumbo to the exclusion of all available evidence.
Religion is stupid and has always been used as a tool for evil people to try and achieve what they want. Islam is just the poster boy of the times.
The Mormons are not out to destroy western society. Islam has proclaimed its agenda.Braddock wrote:
Where is your fury towards the Mormon community lowing?
already did that, do some googling, comparisons are all over the net. Here is a hint though, you won't like it.AussieReaper wrote:
I'm surprised lowing hasn't compared the two, but keeps pushing for all of us to do it for him.
We've all said you can't compare them, for obvious reasons.
I put it back on him to give us some comparisons. So long as they are credible.
I think I offer a pretty good debate for my position. I argue the material calmly and I do not normally resort to personal attacks in place of a good argument.FatherTed wrote:
@ Uzique
Yeah was a bit of a shit post. I've given up on any thread with the words 'Islam sux blah de blah' etc, and with lowing as an OP'er.
Only really try for the energy/earth/UK/Ireland threads now, you occasionally get decent debate in them.
Anyway, sorry you won't be responding any longer, I enjoyed debating you.
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No chance, I have 2 sons, for you to have a good laugh, you would have to hope my sons are gay as well.Braddock wrote:
Note to self: Idea for comedy movie...
Lowing's daughter brings her new boyfriend from college home to stay for the Christmas holidays only for lowing to discover he is a Muslim. Riotous comic capers ensue.
That's pretty low.Braddock wrote:
Where is your fury towards the Mormon community lowing?
When there was allegations of child molestation the tanks got sent in.
This is different;
a court is saying that the child is his property.
Then why cry if none of us want to post a comparison if your too scared to do so yourself?lowing wrote:
already did that, do some googling, comparisons are all over the net. Here is a hint though, you won't like it.AussieReaper wrote:
I'm surprised lowing hasn't compared the two, but keeps pushing for all of us to do it for him.
We've all said you can't compare them, for obvious reasons.
I put it back on him to give us some comparisons. So long as they are credible.
Don't just tell me, show me where it is legal under some Christian laws, or govt. laws that you can molest or sell a 6-8 year old girl into slavery to pay a debt.Bertster7 wrote:
Who is talking about the US?lowing wrote:
selling a child into marriage is not legal sorry, it is against the law in the US. It is also against the law as an adult to have sex with a child under the age of 18.Bertster7 wrote:
And on the matter of child marriage being legal in Christian countries?
Kinda puts a bit of a hole in your argument that it is Islam, not national background that is to blame for these things, doesn't it? Especially since it happens widely in communities of a number of other religions.
If you want more examples, I'd be happy to oblige.....
But by all means please show at least one example where the US condones selling children into slavery, and having sex with them under the age of 18 as an adult.
You said to name a Christian country where it is legal, I have given you an example - South Africa. I'll give you another one, Ethiopia.
No one ever claimed it was legal in ALL Christian countries. Just as it is not legal in ALL Islamic countries.
More double standards and unwillingness to accept the truth lowing?
I refuse to believe that you are so totally dense as to be incapable of following this quite simple argument (that social and economic factors are what determines this sort of stuff and that in countries more closely resembling their social and economic background, including Christian ones, the same sorts of things are legal), but must just be being willfully obtuse so as to dismiss a point you have no counter argument to.....
I acknowledge that Christians take the sabboth off, as a day of rest, NOT as a holiday full of celebration and tradition which was the context of my statementDilbert_X wrote:
The US didn't end slavery that long ago - you guys were very backward in ending that - and the Mormons are still doing the latter now.lowing wrote:
But by all means please show at least one example where the US condones selling children into slavery, and having sex with them under the age of 18 as an adult.
Still waiting for you to acknowledge taking Sundays off is a celebration of an OT holiday.
Yes Aussie, I am too scared, I have never posted comparisons before. I just see no sense in going through the trouble of doing so, only to have you come back and squawk "YOUR SOURCE SUCKS". Get on Google and find a suitable source that is favorable to you. Good luck finding one that does not admit that Muhammed was a murderer and a child molester, or that Jesus was.AussieReaper wrote:
Then why cry if none of us want to post a comparison if your too scared to do so yourself?lowing wrote:
already did that, do some googling, comparisons are all over the net. Here is a hint though, you won't like it.AussieReaper wrote:
I'm surprised lowing hasn't compared the two, but keeps pushing for all of us to do it for him.
We've all said you can't compare them, for obvious reasons.
I put it back on him to give us some comparisons. So long as they are credible.
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Good luck finding a source that claims Jesus was anything more than a fairy tale.lowing wrote:
Yes Aussie, I am too scared, I have never posted comparisons before. I just see no sense in going through the trouble of doing so, only to have you come back and squawk "YOUR SOURCE SUCKS". Get on Google and find a suitable source that is favorable to you. Good luck finding one that does not admit that Muhammed was a murderer and a child molester, or that Jesus was.AussieReaper wrote:
Then why cry if none of us want to post a comparison if your too scared to do so yourself?lowing wrote:
already did that, do some googling, comparisons are all over the net. Here is a hint though, you won't like it.
That you don't know what you are talking about. For me you just sound like a cassette player. Record some, and play some.lowing wrote:
But the do all agree that she was a child. not a teenager a child,and they also agree there is nothing wrong with it, and your point to this is what again?
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...show me the schematic
classic lowing. changing the subject, deflecting the argument and avoiding the question. pure entertainment.lowing wrote:
Yes Aussie, I am too scared, I have never posted comparisons before. I just see no sense in going through the trouble of doing so, only to have you come back and squawk "YOUR SOURCE SUCKS". Get on Google and find a suitable source that is favorable to you. Good luck finding one that does not admit that Muhammed was a murderer and a child molester, or that Jesus was.AussieReaper wrote:
Then why cry if none of us want to post a comparison if your too scared to do so yourself?lowing wrote:
already did that, do some googling, comparisons are all over the net. Here is a hint though, you won't like it.
Well if there is a different take on it, I am all ears. Show me where he didn't nail a child or was not a murderer. Love to see itBeduin wrote:
That you don't know what you are talking about. For me you just sound like a cassette player. Record some, and play some.lowing wrote:
But the do all agree that she was a child. not a teenager a child,and they also agree there is nothing wrong with it, and your point to this is what again?
Not hardly. I know the internet is full of comparisons. The deflection comes when you challenge the sources ignoring the content. But hey lets just see.Man With No Name wrote:
classic lowing. changing the subject, deflecting the argument and avoiding the question. pure entertainment.lowing wrote:
Yes Aussie, I am too scared, I have never posted comparisons before. I just see no sense in going through the trouble of doing so, only to have you come back and squawk "YOUR SOURCE SUCKS". Get on Google and find a suitable source that is favorable to you. Good luck finding one that does not admit that Muhammed was a murderer and a child molester, or that Jesus was.AussieReaper wrote:
Then why cry if none of us want to post a comparison if your too scared to do so yourself?
http://www.carm.org/religious-movements … d-muhammad
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/founders.htm
http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/comp … uslim.html ( here is a good one) full of opinion as much as fact, glorifying war and making the Arabs "masters of the world". Notice how it struggles to find good in Muhammad?
http://godresources.org/compare-jesus-muhammad/
http://www.letusreason.org/Islam8%20.htm
I would quote the Marriage Act of 1961 at you, but their site appears to be down at the moment.lowing wrote:
Don't just tell me, show me where it is legal under some Christian laws, or govt. laws that you can molest or sell a 6-8 year old girl into slavery to pay a debt.Bertster7 wrote:
Who is talking about the US?lowing wrote:
selling a child into marriage is not legal sorry, it is against the law in the US. It is also against the law as an adult to have sex with a child under the age of 18.
But by all means please show at least one example where the US condones selling children into slavery, and having sex with them under the age of 18 as an adult.
You said to name a Christian country where it is legal, I have given you an example - South Africa. I'll give you another one, Ethiopia.
No one ever claimed it was legal in ALL Christian countries. Just as it is not legal in ALL Islamic countries.
More double standards and unwillingness to accept the truth lowing?
I refuse to believe that you are so totally dense as to be incapable of following this quite simple argument (that social and economic factors are what determines this sort of stuff and that in countries more closely resembling their social and economic background, including Christian ones, the same sorts of things are legal), but must just be being willfully obtuse so as to dismiss a point you have no counter argument to.....
Here's a link to it anyway (think that's the right one).
http://home-affairs.pwv.gov.za/documents/act25.pdf
In any case here's a little quote from Wikipedia, not the best source, but better than nothing:
As young as 12 for females. I class that as child marriage.In South Africa, there are legal provisions made for respecting the marriage laws of traditional marriages whereby a person might be married as young as 12 for females and 14 for males.
In other countries like Ethiopia and Cameroon, which have Christian majorities, child marriages account for as many as 60% of marriages. Whilst this is in breach of the UDHR no one seems to pay any attention to that - but then the US don't pay too much attention to it either, so you can't blame them too much.
Probably right, but assuming that both men are myths, how and why could or would you follow the guy that is a child molester, a murderer, a womanizer a warrior a sinner etc.. as your deliverer, over the guy who is portraited as a tolerant man, a sinless man, a forgiver, etc....then say you follow a religion of peace love and tolerance?AussieReaper wrote:
Good luck finding a source that claims Jesus was anything more than a fairy tale.lowing wrote:
Yes Aussie, I am too scared, I have never posted comparisons before. I just see no sense in going through the trouble of doing so, only to have you come back and squawk "YOUR SOURCE SUCKS". Get on Google and find a suitable source that is favorable to you. Good luck finding one that does not admit that Muhammed was a murderer and a child molester, or that Jesus was.AussieReaper wrote:
Then why cry if none of us want to post a comparison if your too scared to do so yourself?
You do realise that means you are agreeing with him, don't you?lowing wrote:
Not hardly.Man With No Name wrote:
classic lowing. changing the subject, deflecting the argument and avoiding the question. pure entertainment.lowing wrote:
Yes Aussie, I am too scared, I have never posted comparisons before. I just see no sense in going through the trouble of doing so, only to have you come back and squawk "YOUR SOURCE SUCKS". Get on Google and find a suitable source that is favorable to you. Good luck finding one that does not admit that Muhammed was a murderer and a child molester, or that Jesus was.
Hardly, is what I expect you mean - but then by putting a negative in front you change the meaning completely.
You say this is happening in mostly Christian countries, is it Christians wh oare doing this?Bertster7 wrote:
I would quote the Marriage Act of 1961 at you, but their site appears to be down at the moment.lowing wrote:
Don't just tell me, show me where it is legal under some Christian laws, or govt. laws that you can molest or sell a 6-8 year old girl into slavery to pay a debt.Bertster7 wrote:
Who is talking about the US?
You said to name a Christian country where it is legal, I have given you an example - South Africa. I'll give you another one, Ethiopia.
No one ever claimed it was legal in ALL Christian countries. Just as it is not legal in ALL Islamic countries.
More double standards and unwillingness to accept the truth lowing?
I refuse to believe that you are so totally dense as to be incapable of following this quite simple argument (that social and economic factors are what determines this sort of stuff and that in countries more closely resembling their social and economic background, including Christian ones, the same sorts of things are legal), but must just be being willfully obtuse so as to dismiss a point you have no counter argument to.....
Here's a link to it anyway (think that's the right one).
http://home-affairs.pwv.gov.za/documents/act25.pdf
In any case here's a little quote from Wikipedia, not the best source, but better than nothing:As young as 12 for females. I class that as child marriage.In South Africa, there are legal provisions made for respecting the marriage laws of traditional marriages whereby a person might be married as young as 12 for females and 14 for males.
In other countries like Ethiopia and Cameroon, which have Christian majorities, child marriages account for as many as 60% of marriages. Whilst this is in breach of the UDHR no one seems to pay any attention to that - but then the US don't pay too much attention to it either, so you can't blame them too much.
If the girl is 12 how old is the man, 14? 18? 50?
Are these marriages arranged to settle debt?