Duh if Saddam were running Saudi Arabia there would be no Wahhabism hence no little girls being sold to perverts.lowing wrote:
and this has what to do with Islamic sanctioned child slavery and molestation?
Soddom and Gomorrah got pretty nastylowing wrote:
Nope like their beheading 600 men
Punishable by death IIRC.Still not a crime, only a sin.
I was in Iraq, I have pictures of the palace sized brothel that Saddam had used for his desires for under aged schoolgirls for him and his "dignitaries". After he was "done with them, he had them killed. So please the Islamic mentality of child molestation and slavery runs deeper than just this one article.Dilbert_X wrote:
Duh if Saddam were running Saudi Arabia there would be no Wahhabism hence no little girls being sold to perverts.lowing wrote:
and this has what to do with Islamic sanctioned child slavery and molestation?
There would be lots of other nasty stuff (or not if he had become a US ally and been moderated) but not the above.
Maybe you'd like to think about how the two most backwards countries on earth are the US' key allies in the region.
Money trumps all eh?
Last edited by lowing (2009-04-12 23:03:29)
1. Old testament nothing to do with Christ. Keep trying.Dilbert_X wrote:
Soddom and Gomorrah got pretty nastylowing wrote:
Nope like their beheading 600 menPunishable by death IIRC.Still not a crime, only a sin.
Iraq was about as secular as it gets. The main reason Osama didn't paticularly like him...lowing wrote:
I was in Iraq, I have pictures of the palace sized brothel that Saddam had used for his desires for under aged schoolgirls for him and his "dignitaries". After he was "done with them, he had them killed. So please the Islamic mentality of child molestation and slavery runs deeper than just this one article.Dilbert_X wrote:
Duh if Saddam were running Saudi Arabia there would be no Wahhabism hence no little girls being sold to perverts.lowing wrote:
and this has what to do with Islamic sanctioned child slavery and molestation?
There would be lots of other nasty stuff (or not if he had become a US ally and been moderated) but not the above.
Maybe you'd like to think about how the two most backwards countries on earth are the US' key allies in the region.
Money trumps all eh?
Also, the US should not befriend these countries for a whole truckload of reasons, not just their Islamic sanction child slavery and molestation rackets.
Strange, the OT and NT are always bound together into one book, even the bloody Gideons do it.lowing wrote:
1. Old testament nothing to do with Christ. Keep trying.
Except stealing your neighbours TV, or giving a false name on a health form, or being black, or smelling funny, or crossing a border to look for a better life in the country stolen from your ancestors, yeah we know.according to Christianity all sins are forgiveable
This is Sharia lawlowing wrote:
Sharia law
Thats the beauty of it. Althoug Yemen is deep corrupted and conservative, Sharia did save her.A Yemeni court has annulled an eight-year-old girl's marriage to a man in his 20s, after she filed for divorce.
The girl, Nojoud Mohammed Ali, took a taxi to a judge’s office on her own, after running away from her husband.
Lawyer Shatha Nasser told the BBC she heard about Nojoud by chance and instantly decided to represent her.
"Child brides are common in parts of Yemen, but this case received wider attention because it reached court," she said.
Yemen is one of the world's poorest countries.
Although it has no legal minimum age for marriage, the wife is only allowed to live with her husband once she has reached puberty.
Nojoud's unemployed father and husband were also present at the hearing.
The courtroom was packed with members of the press and human rights activists, who are using the case to highlight the need for more child protection in Yemen.
Nojoud told the court she had signed the marriage contract two-and-a-half months ago on the understanding she would stay in her parents' house until she was 18.
"But a week after signing, my mother and father forced me to go and live with him."
Marriage consummated
Her former husband, Faez Ali Thameur, told the court the marriage was consummated, but he denied Nojoud's claims that he beat her.
Marriage consummated
Her former husband, Faez Ali Thameur, told the court the marriage was consummated, but he denied Nojoud's claims that he beat her.
yemen map
It is understood that one person attending the hearing has decided to repay Faez the dowry he gave the Nojoud's father before marriage.
Her father, Mohammad Ali Al-Ahdal told the court he felt obliged to marry off his daughter after receiving repeated threats from the would-be husband and his entourage.
He said was frightened because his oldest daughter had been kidnapped several years earlier and had been forced to marry her abductor.
Shatha Nasser says the judge annulled the marriage instead of granting a divorce, to stop the husband trying to reinstate the wedlock.
"We are grateful to the judge" she explains. "Had it been someone with strong traditional views, Nojoud could have been sent back home."
Instead, Nojoud is now living with her maternal uncle, Shu'ee Salem Attabi'ee.
Shu’ee told the BBC that his brother-in-law had had no control over the events.
"He is too frail to defend himself or his family" he explained.
"Nojoud is living happily with me and my eight other children. She is looking forward to going back to primary school as soon as possible."
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ever ask yourself how a Christian existed before Christ?Dilbert_X wrote:
Strange, the OT and NT are always bound together into one book, even the bloody Gideons do it.lowing wrote:
1. Old testament nothing to do with Christ. Keep trying.
I assumed there was a reason.Except stealing your neighbours TV, or giving a false name on a health form, or being black, or smelling funny, or crossing a border to look for a better life in the country stolen from your ancestors, yeah we know.according to Christianity all sins are forgiveable
Awww, how proud you must be, EVERYONE must agree to selling an 8 year old into slavery, marrying and having sex with her.....I stand corrected, absolutely nothing wrong with Islam, and the child molester/murder Muhammed ( peace be upon him, just not upon anyone he encountered), is a pillar of inspiration.Beduin wrote:
This is Sharia lawlowing wrote:
Sharia law
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee37 … dce9_o.jpghttp://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee37 … od_ali.jpgThats the beauty of it. Althoug Yemen is deep corrupted and conservative, Sharia did save her.A Yemeni court has annulled an eight-year-old girl's marriage to a man in his 20s, after she filed for divorce.
The girl, Nojoud Mohammed Ali, took a taxi to a judge’s office on her own, after running away from her husband.
Lawyer Shatha Nasser told the BBC she heard about Nojoud by chance and instantly decided to represent her.
"Child brides are common in parts of Yemen, but this case received wider attention because it reached court," she said.
Yemen is one of the world's poorest countries.
Although it has no legal minimum age for marriage, the wife is only allowed to live with her husband once she has reached puberty.
Nojoud's unemployed father and husband were also present at the hearing.
The courtroom was packed with members of the press and human rights activists, who are using the case to highlight the need for more child protection in Yemen.
Nojoud told the court she had signed the marriage contract two-and-a-half months ago on the understanding she would stay in her parents' house until she was 18.
"But a week after signing, my mother and father forced me to go and live with him."
Marriage consummated
Her former husband, Faez Ali Thameur, told the court the marriage was consummated, but he denied Nojoud's claims that he beat her.
Marriage consummated
Her former husband, Faez Ali Thameur, told the court the marriage was consummated, but he denied Nojoud's claims that he beat her.
yemen map
It is understood that one person attending the hearing has decided to repay Faez the dowry he gave the Nojoud's father before marriage.
Her father, Mohammad Ali Al-Ahdal told the court he felt obliged to marry off his daughter after receiving repeated threats from the would-be husband and his entourage.
He said was frightened because his oldest daughter had been kidnapped several years earlier and had been forced to marry her abductor.
Shatha Nasser says the judge annulled the marriage instead of granting a divorce, to stop the husband trying to reinstate the wedlock.
"We are grateful to the judge" she explains. "Had it been someone with strong traditional views, Nojoud could have been sent back home."
Instead, Nojoud is now living with her maternal uncle, Shu'ee Salem Attabi'ee.
Shu’ee told the BBC that his brother-in-law had had no control over the events.
"He is too frail to defend himself or his family" he explained.
"Nojoud is living happily with me and my eight other children. She is looking forward to going back to primary school as soon as possible."
She won the glamour prize for the woman 2008?
Back to OP:
The saudi judge fails. Because as I read it, it is the mothers of the girls that wants a divorce and since the girls are MINORS it will be either their dads or moms to take the decision. Thats what we muslims learned under our beloved Mohamed (may peace be upon him)'s time that everyone include the parents must agree. If not the marriage is cannelled. And if everyone agree but the girl or boy they can go to court as the girl above did in Yemen.
Last edited by lowing (2009-04-13 04:26:57)
He was, he was spreading the word of the NEW Covenant.Dilbert_X wrote:
And there was me thinking Jesus was about spreading the message of god.
You believe this?lowing wrote:
He was, he was spreading the word of the NEW Covenant.
God had a new message for his people. Jesus was the messenger.
I do not believe any of it.AussieReaper wrote:
You believe this?lowing wrote:
He was, he was spreading the word of the NEW Covenant.
God had a new message for his people. Jesus was the messenger.
Oh, because the Muslim also believe in Jesus, that he was a messenger for God bringing a message. They also believe Mohammad was the next messenger of God, who brought the latest updated message of God.lowing wrote:
I do not believe any of it.AussieReaper wrote:
You believe this?lowing wrote:
He was, he was spreading the word of the NEW Covenant.
God had a new message for his people. Jesus was the messenger.
It is simply THEIR belief.
What I believe is that there was a historical figure named Jesus, he had a ministry like the 1000's of others that came before and since. Jesus just had a good PR man.
Moses was a messenger of God in the Old Testament (one of many), Jesus was a messenger of God in the New Testament.lowing wrote:
ever ask yourself how a Christian existed before Christ?Dilbert_X wrote:
Strange, the OT and NT are always bound together into one book, even the bloody Gideons do it.lowing wrote:
1. Old testament nothing to do with Christ. Keep trying.
I assumed there was a reason.Except stealing your neighbours TV, or giving a false name on a health form, or being black, or smelling funny, or crossing a border to look for a better life in the country stolen from your ancestors, yeah we know.according to Christianity all sins are forgiveable
or why they call it the OLD and NEW testament. Why they have them as 2 distinct books with 2 distinct messages?
Or how about the fact that Moses was the messenger of God in the OLD testament, and Jesus in the NEW testament.
CHRISTians acknowledge the OLD testament, but their faith is held in the gospels of the NEW. Period!
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Nothing to blame Islam about, Sharia does not allow child abusement.lowing wrote:
Do you really hear yourself and your endorsement of this bullshit? and you think nothing is wrong?
No I missed that, since when is LEGALLY selling your 8 year old, into marriage and sex NOT child abuse?Beduin wrote:
Nothing to blame Islam about, Sharia does not allow child abusement.lowing wrote:
Do you really hear yourself and your endorsement of this bullshit? and you think nothing is wrong?
...or did you fail to see that, too?
Faillure of national law tbh.lowing wrote:
No I missed that, since when is LEGALLY selling your 8 year old, into marriage and sex NOT child abuse?Beduin wrote:
Nothing to blame Islam about, Sharia does not allow child abusement.lowing wrote:
Do you really hear yourself and your endorsement of this bullshit? and you think nothing is wrong?
...or did you fail to see that, too?
Regardless, Christians believe based on the written word, that his message was of tolerance, peace, acceptance and forgiveness.AussieReaper wrote:
Oh, because the Muslim also believe in Jesus, that he was a messenger for God bringing a message. They also believe Mohammad was the next messenger of God, who brought the latest updated message of God.lowing wrote:
I do not believe any of it.AussieReaper wrote:
You believe this?
It is simply THEIR belief.
What I believe is that there was a historical figure named Jesus, he had a ministry like the 1000's of others that came before and since. Jesus just had a good PR man.
The good pr man of St Paul spread the word after the fact Jesus was dead. We don't know what he was like from any contemporary historical text. That doesn't hold well for your version of Mr. Squeaky Clean when you yourself admit he simply had good PR.
Welcome to the 21st century. The world grew up, well apparently most of it. This is the problem with IslamBertster7 wrote:
Faillure of national law tbh.lowing wrote:
No I missed that, since when is LEGALLY selling your 8 year old, into marriage and sex NOT child abuse?Beduin wrote:
Nothing to blame Islam about, Sharia does not allow child abusement.
...or did you fail to see that, too?
Is there any Christian law that prevents selling your 8 year old daughter into marriage? No. There isn't. Which is why it used to happen all the time in Christian societies.
So what does Sharia law have to do with that then?lowing wrote:
Welcome to the 21st century. The world grew up, well apparently most of it. This is the problem with IslamBertster7 wrote:
Faillure of national law tbh.lowing wrote:
No I missed that, since when is LEGALLY selling your 8 year old, into marriage and sex NOT child abuse?
Is there any Christian law that prevents selling your 8 year old daughter into marriage? No. There isn't. Which is why it used to happen all the time in Christian societies.
I was raised Catholic. Never not once did our priest give a surmon and read out of the Old testament. Like I said, the Old testament is acknowledged by Christians, however their faith lies in the teachings of Jesus.Bertster7 wrote:
Moses was a messenger of God in the Old Testament (one of many), Jesus was a messenger of God in the New Testament.lowing wrote:
ever ask yourself how a Christian existed before Christ?Dilbert_X wrote:
Strange, the OT and NT are always bound together into one book, even the bloody Gideons do it.lowing wrote:
1. Old testament nothing to do with Christ. Keep trying.
I assumed there was a reason.
Except stealing your neighbours TV, or giving a false name on a health form, or being black, or smelling funny, or crossing a border to look for a better life in the country stolen from your ancestors, yeah we know.
or why they call it the OLD and NEW testament. Why they have them as 2 distinct books with 2 distinct messages?
Or how about the fact that Moses was the messenger of God in the OLD testament, and Jesus in the NEW testament.
CHRISTians acknowledge the OLD testament, but their faith is held in the gospels of the NEW. Period!
Same God. New Testament is just an updated revision.
The Old Testament is a fundamental part of Christianity. It is not quite the same as the Tanakh, but is (very, very) similar. According to the Roman Catholic Church, the Old Testament is canonical and and Jesus has attested to the permanent validity of Mosaic law. Your views would seem to be in violent contradiction of the views of the Catholic Church who are probably more qualified to make such assertions. In fact virtually all major churches share this belief apart from some weird baptist types....
I couldn't give two hoots for your opinion. The opinion of the Catholic church is very clear. The council of Trent say it is canonical and that Mosaic law is to be followed. That's the opinion of the church, who are a far more authoratative source than you. End of story.lowing wrote:
I was raised Catholic. Never not once did our priest give a surmon and read out of the Old testament. Like I said, the Old testament is acknowledged by Christians, however their faith lies in the teachings of Jesus.Bertster7 wrote:
Moses was a messenger of God in the Old Testament (one of many), Jesus was a messenger of God in the New Testament.lowing wrote:
ever ask yourself how a Christian existed before Christ?
or why they call it the OLD and NEW testament. Why they have them as 2 distinct books with 2 distinct messages?
Or how about the fact that Moses was the messenger of God in the OLD testament, and Jesus in the NEW testament.
CHRISTians acknowledge the OLD testament, but their faith is held in the gospels of the NEW. Period!
Same God. New Testament is just an updated revision.
The Old Testament is a fundamental part of Christianity. It is not quite the same as the Tanakh, but is (very, very) similar. According to the Roman Catholic Church, the Old Testament is canonical and and Jesus has attested to the permanent validity of Mosaic law. Your views would seem to be in violent contradiction of the views of the Catholic Church who are probably more qualified to make such assertions. In fact virtually all major churches share this belief apart from some weird baptist types....
Perhaps the fact that Christians do not celebrate a single event out of the OLD testament, that you say Christians hold so dear, would be evidence.
http://www.christianitysite.com/calendar.htm
What does Sharia Law have to d owith it? It is the Islamic Imams' that uphold Sharia Law, and now it the Islamic govt. that upholds Sharia Law as legal and binding justice.Bertster7 wrote:
So what does Sharia law have to do with that then?lowing wrote:
Welcome to the 21st century. The world grew up, well apparently most of it. This is the problem with IslamBertster7 wrote:
Faillure of national law tbh.
Is there any Christian law that prevents selling your 8 year old daughter into marriage? No. There isn't. Which is why it used to happen all the time in Christian societies.
You're comparing two very different things. National and religious law are not directly comparable. Yes, those countries are more backward and stuck in a medieval mindset, but blaming the religion alone is extremely naive. There is a lot of bad stuff in Christianity too - and in less developed Christian countries we still see attrocities committed in the name of religion.
