XstrangerdangerX
conversation is combat
+36|6914|Tasmania
You lose.

Thanks for playing.
I.M.I Militant
We Are Not Alone In Here
+297|7003|Melbourne, Australia
its true the pkm  is just fauken ridiculouse now as good as it is i actully avoid it because i have morals.. :p
btw.. has anyone spoted a mg36 going around since patch 1.2 ... dident think so...
Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|6911|Warlord

RedHot wrote:

i'll say it 100 times, "Realism doesnt make good games"
I agree completely, if anyone wanted that they should play Operation Flashpoint and get used to twiddling their thumbs a lot...

polarbearz wrote:

that piddly thing is a PKM?
It's called foreshortening It's actually 1.2 metres long.

XstrangerdangerX wrote:

I'm just a big nasty troll.
Well at least you got one thing right.
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6937

I.M.I Militant wrote:

its true the pkm  is just fauken ridiculouse now as good as it is i actully avoid it because i have morals.. :p
btw.. has anyone spoted a mg36 going around since patch 1.2 ... dident think so...
It's my gun of choice, and a PKM whore that gets within a 100 meters of me will be torn to shreds before he can land a shot on me. If they're further away.. well.. then i get the hell out of there

PKM might have the Ă¼ber-accurate first shot, but you can practically spray 20 bullets with the MG before having to stop. (to retain accuracy)

Also, going prone isn't neccesary as crouching is more than sufficient to have enough accuracy (although it takes practice, as once your opponent is on the ground in prone, and you've missed them with your first few shots, you're as good as dead)

I'd be happy if the PKM gets equal accuracy to, say, the RPK-74. The RPK is a pretty good gun (especially in matches)
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|6900|do not disturb

Only reason I don't crouch is because CTRL R does not work on BF2, and that's what my crouch is set at. It works for CTRL L, but that means I need to move my hand operation the arrow keys to do that, which is a disadvantage. Anyone else having this problem?

And I prefer the RPK, it's a solid gun that's accurate, stable, and deals a good amount of damage.
Westend
Member
+0|6895
I really don't understand this madness. It's quite obvious that most of the posters on this thread never actually tried to single shot or small burst at range pre 1.21.

I've been single shot firing the M249 and PKM for months and have not seen much of a difference since 1.21. There was absolutley no difference between 1.2 and 1.21 that I could tell. Even in TWL matches I could hide at 200m and take hit others using the standard LMG. Sure maybe two or three hits but still fairly easy hits even when the body is only a few pixels on the screen.

I suspect that many of you have now since seen the video of the Mashtur PKM king and as a result cry foul. It's probably the single fault of this poster that let this little known secret out of the bag and now you have more people using the PKM as the weapon of choice.

Sort of like how a few months after release more and more people were using the GL at point blank range.

Sure the PKM is great but certainly not over powered. Remember with Iron sights your not getting any zoom. So a sniper worth anything can hit the PKM'er quite easily if they knew where to look. In fact I've had to pull out the sniper kit to get a sniper where I could not reach him with the PKM.

The only complaint I have is that as a sniper I should have an easier task of hitting a target that appears the same size. I.e when sniping I have a scope with zoom so a target that is a few pixels high is further away than a target of the same size with the PKM. Yet I find that I can head shot more often with the PKM against a target of the same size than I can with the sniper rifle. Maybe it's because the Iron sight does not obsuce the target where the scope does.

In any case a sniper can out range and out shoot a PKM'er any day of the week. But if your'e stupid enough to attempt to snipe from the top of the TV station and I choose to whack you with a PKM then that's your problem and not mine. It's not my fault that the TV station's wall hides your torso and basically only lets me aim at your head!

Oh and BTW you can snipe the players on the TV station with any rifle class weapon. You just have to be a good shot and have patience. If you want to shoot anything at range you have to select single shot, or for the people without lead fingers tap the fire button and not hold it down!

Oh and if in RL the PKM is a pure suppression weapon then why does that picture of one in this thread have a scope?!!

So just stop complaining. Weapons are unbalanced just the same as the classes. Balance comes from putting the correct mix of classes in an effective squad. If you can't figure that out then go play something else. The next thing you'll be complaining about players who have the skill and patience to place shots on your head while you just blast at them without thought.

Last edited by Westend (2006-03-22 13:13:05)

MrKamikaze
Member
+10|6925|East
over much experience, i have realized that the best solution is to shoot a PKM right back in their face. =]

PKM owns, so don't counter it...use it!
livingstorm
Member
+8|6957
Using a pkm to take out pkm's is a very good idea. I should know i've played with it a lot. If ur other kits most pkmer's will drop to the ground to go prone to shoot you if ur a close range side step or run past them and spray them while standing up. it totally throws them cause they have got to spin while prone and figure out were u've gone. There is a distance were the pkm will win after that an accurate gun will do the trick if u know how to shoot.
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|6900|do not disturb

Westend your argument is flawed in so many ways. I'm not even going to tell you why unless you ask.

And what a strong argument. Counter a PKM with a PKM. Yes, let's all give up our preferred class to go support. Good idea!
XstrangerdangerX
conversation is combat
+36|6914|Tasmania
Oooh, what an effective way to end an argument! Imply that you have all the answers and anything the other person says is wrong. This is gonna revolutionise the art of debate as we know it.

Wanker.


Anyway, I was on the map with the tv station last night (sharqi?) and I was on top of the construction building in the middle of the map with the basic support gun, I scoped in at the top of the tv station where three dudes were, hit the mouse button twice, one down. Repeated this two more times for three 4 shot kills from an extreme distance. Keep in mind, you can't see much of their body from where I was standing.

Not that I'm complaining. My next unlock is going on the pkm.

Last edited by XstrangerdangerX (2006-03-25 22:32:51)

_j5689_
Dreads & Bergers
+364|7001|Riva, MD
Maybe if you tried the fuckin gun yourself, you wouldn't be bitching about it.
XstrangerdangerX
conversation is combat
+36|6914|Tasmania

_j5689_ wrote:

Maybe if you tried the fuckin gun yourself, you wouldn't be bitching about it.
maybe you should take the cocks out of your eyes and re-read my last post.
Fretzli
Member
+10|6927|Switzerland
I think the PKM was too bad pre 1.2 but now it's too strong. It should be something in between. I played a bit support pre 1.2 and the PKM was a nice weapon, a bit inaccurate though. It really annoys me to see those bloody  support-whores doing nothing else than throwing grenades or firing their bloody PKM/MG 36/RPK. When I play anti tank and ask for ammunition, they do nothing but looking cluelessly at me.
I think all those noob tubers and bunny hoppers have switched from assault to support.
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|6900|do not disturb

XstrangerdangerX wrote:

_j5689_ wrote:

Maybe if you tried the fuckin gun yourself, you wouldn't be bitching about it.
maybe you should take the cocks out of your eyes and re-read my last post.
Get the hell out of this thread, you have noting important to say troll.
dankassasin42o
Member
+68|6963|Reefersyde, CA
the unlock above the PMK is BETTER.
TerrorisT²
Melbourne Shuffler
+214|6910|Gold Coast, Australia
This is how i normally take out enemy troops (usually support), i be a medic so i can heal myself and rack up revive points, while and enemy is around, i keep running towards them (maybe every now and then they will win, but just strafe).

Once i get close to them i run AROUND them, then they dont know where i am while i shoot the hell out of them, or while i try to shock paddle them (i have quite a few times ).

Its easier with an enemy support because they tend to lie on the ground, thus making it easier to kill them while your standing above them while they shoot air.
3psilon
Member
+0|6891
Well, supports are good and easy to play with.
For this reason I don't play on "24/7 KARKAND MEGAKILL ONLY 16 map 64 players" servers...
But on clanwars they are unavoidable. They can be really annoying if they have good reflexes.

So, you can do many things
1) hide... and hide. If they still kill you, then hide even more.
2) Snipe... yes, you should have some good reflexes and a good aim to do this, but it is effective. Use the corners and claymores.
3) AT Soldier! An Eryx shot can be quite effective. Accurate, instant-killing and the victim can't be revived. And their SMG can be effective also because of its very high rate of fire.

I think that careful sniping is the best way of killing these guys.

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