BF2S Forums Gunman kills eight in North Carolina nursing home

Read it as German kills eight in North Carolina nursing home

Anyway, crazy happens nothing you could do to prevent it really.

I'm very anti-firearms, I think the only people who should be armed should be police officers. End of story. Permits only for those who require gun licences for their businesses eg farmers would be my only concession.

Arming civilians to fight those who use guns illegally is idiotic.

AussieReaper wrote:

I'm very anti-firearms, I think the only people who should be armed should be police officers. End of story. Permits only for those who require gun licences for their businesses eg farmers would be my only concession.

Arming civilians to fight those who use guns illegally is idiotic.

Although I am not a big fan of firearms as a rule, my neighbour is a gun nut. He is incredibly responsible ( as are most gun owners) , he is also a sporting shooter. I cant see why a civilian cant own a gun to use at a firing range.

AussieReaper wrote:

Burwhale wrote:

Although I am not a big fan of firearms as a rule, my neighbour is a gun nut. He is incredibly responsible ( as are most gun owners) , he is also a sporting shooter. I cant see why a civilian cant own a gun to use at a firing range.

Then keep the guns at the firing range. How hard is it to do that? You leave with a gun from the shooting range, you get shot by security.

Oh but then I can't use or my leet customisation grips...  I'm sure you could buy them like you usually do but only attach them at the rifle range. You don't use them anywhere else anyway.

Fair point.

Gun advocates, over to you.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id … _article=1

Mekstizzle wrote:

what's it even trying to show about guns anyway

that when a doctor fucks up it doesnt even make the news.  but a gun issue makes it all the way across the pond ffs.

Meh, banning guns in the USA or trying any sort of stricter regulation would be like banning it in Somalia, wouldn't exactly make a difference

"Shall-issue" concealed carry laws are not causing any noticeable problems.  Simply put, the people who go through the trouble of carrying legally don't cause many problems.  Firearms are used in defense at least tens of thousands of times per year (using the low end of estimates).

Would it have helped in this case?  IMO, probably not.  Many patients of a nursing home would not be allowed to have a firearm.  If one cannot care for themselves, they probably should not have access to firearms (obviously there are some exceptions).  That leaves a couple nurses and administrative staff.  The odds of one of them stopping an attacker are low, since only a small percentage of the US population is licensed to carry (and not all of those people actually do).
Sadly, the world is not perfect.  People murder each other.  We simply cannot stop all violence in a free society (or totalitarian ones, but that's a different topic).  People find ways to murder others.  The worst school attack in the US used explosives.  Fertilizer was used at the Oklahoma City bombing.  Firearms were used at VT and NIU.  In Japan, people have used swords and knives.  Cars have also been used.  People find creative ways to kill each other.  The way to "solve" the problem is at the root--the attacker themselves.  I don't think it can be 100% "solved" (as in, no violent attacks).  Someone always manages to slip through the cracks.

nursing homes are super depressing    i wonder if he worked there

usmarine wrote:

Pochsy wrote:

@marine- Why would you post a chain email you knew was stupid and then get angry when people hack it apart as you stated you intended to have happen? Not smooth.

i didnt say it was stupid.  hell it may be 100% valid for all i know.  you guys are the ones wetting your pants....not me.  not smooth.

Yeah, usmarine is the messenger ppl. Don't kill the messenger.
About the email, "accidental death is a loosely defined term". Sometimes, a patient's injury might be above their skill level.
Solution:
Guns: limit ownership to 5 shot hunting rifles. Keep @ local gun shop/club with check in and check out.
Doctors: Teh carelessness test. More training before interning.

fermatx wrote:

Doctors: Teh carelessness test. More training before interning.

They already do far more training than almost any other, if not all other professions.

You cannot eliminate human error without taking humans out of the equation, which we don't have the tech to do yet. You can minimise it but at the end of the day people just fuck up occasionally. It doesn't help with the hours docs keep in major hospitals/trauma units and such.

I am for gun rights in America.  I own many firearms and am a responsible gun owner.  Events like these mass shootings are very tragic, but they shouldn't be used to impose more gun control onto the majority of owners who are responsible and law abiding.

I own my weapons to protect myself and my assets in case of an emergency, plain and simple.  For example, imagine being in the aftermath of Katrina amid the basic lawless environment of the gutted city.  Gangs basically ran wild during this period, imagine if you had to defend yourself, your kids, or your wife from a gang of looters, robbers, or rapists.  I believe that when it comes to defending against these types of offenses you need to bring the right tools to the table, or you could get fucked, literally. 

Gun ownership also means something else to many Americans, as well as to me.  I believe we are obligated to own guns to keep the government in check.  These is demonstrated in the second amendment to the United States Constitution "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  Americans being armed is supposed to prevent us from tyranny.