El Beardo
steel woolly mammoth
+150|6023|Gulf Coast

"So let me say this as plainly as I can: by August 31st, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end." Barack Obama

   I'm guessing most of you have heard this claim from Obama by now. Well, turns out combat brigades in Iraq right now will be staying past the deadline only they will be called “advisory and assistance brigades.” Soooo technically he's not lying.......right?

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/3/26/r … t_brigades
Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
+1,431|6267|London, England

Theres always a loophole
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina
(and people still call Obama a leftist)
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6974|UK
lewl this guy is about as socialist as Mussolini.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

m3thod wrote:

lewl this guy is about as socialist as Mussolini.
Well, admittedly, socialistic governments often have a strong interventionist streak, so he's consistent with socialism in that respect, but more than anything, Obama is certainly not an antiwar president.

Granted, I'm not saying I want him to be.  I just think invading Iraq was a stupid move.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6974|UK

Turquoise wrote:

m3thod wrote:

lewl this guy is about as socialist as Mussolini.
Well, admittedly, socialistic governments often have a strong interventionist streak, so he's consistent with socialism in that respect, but more than anything, Obama is certainly not an antiwar president.

Granted, I'm not saying I want him to be.  I just think invading Iraq was a stupid move.
Just poking fun at the people who admantly believe he's a socialist. 

WHICH HE BLOODY WELL ISN'T YOU STUPID FUCKS.

(not directed at the dogdey green-blue colour guy)
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

m3thod wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

m3thod wrote:

lewl this guy is about as socialist as Mussolini.
Well, admittedly, socialistic governments often have a strong interventionist streak, so he's consistent with socialism in that respect, but more than anything, Obama is certainly not an antiwar president.

Granted, I'm not saying I want him to be.  I just think invading Iraq was a stupid move.
Just poking fun at the people who admantly believe he's a socialist. 

WHICH HE BLOODY WELL ISN'T YOU STUPID FUCKS.

(not directed at the dogdey green-blue colour guy)
lol... true...  He's a corporatist.
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7017|US

m3thod wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

m3thod wrote:

lewl this guy is about as socialist as Mussolini.
Well, admittedly, socialistic governments often have a strong interventionist streak, so he's consistent with socialism in that respect, but more than anything, Obama is certainly not an antiwar president.

Granted, I'm not saying I want him to be.  I just think invading Iraq was a stupid move.
Just poking fun at the people who admantly believe he's a socialist. 

WHICH HE BLOODY WELL ISN'T YOU STUPID FUCKS.

(not directed at the dogdey green-blue colour guy)
Interventionism isn't the opposite of socialism...
He could very well act towards both.
The question is, "will he?"
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5877|The Wild West

m3thod wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

m3thod wrote:

lewl this guy is about as socialist as Mussolini.
Well, admittedly, socialistic governments often have a strong interventionist streak, so he's consistent with socialism in that respect, but more than anything, Obama is certainly not an antiwar president.

Granted, I'm not saying I want him to be.  I just think invading Iraq was a stupid move.
Just poking fun at the people who admantly believe he's a socialist. 

WHICH HE BLOODY WELL ISN'T YOU STUPID FUCKS.

(not directed at the dogdey green-blue colour guy)


I could think of at least 4 people who post here that that guy reminds me of

Last edited by Man With No Name (2009-03-26 15:52:14)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

RAIMIUS wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Well, admittedly, socialistic governments often have a strong interventionist streak, so he's consistent with socialism in that respect, but more than anything, Obama is certainly not an antiwar president.

Granted, I'm not saying I want him to be.  I just think invading Iraq was a stupid move.
Just poking fun at the people who admantly believe he's a socialist. 

WHICH HE BLOODY WELL ISN'T YOU STUPID FUCKS.

(not directed at the dogdey green-blue colour guy)
Interventionism isn't the opposite of socialism...
He could very well act towards both.
The question is, "will he?"
True, but...  socialism involves things like nationalization of industry.   So far, most of what Obama has done is bail out industry.  That's actually a corporatist policy, not a socialist one.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

Man With No Name wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Well, admittedly, socialistic governments often have a strong interventionist streak, so he's consistent with socialism in that respect, but more than anything, Obama is certainly not an antiwar president.

Granted, I'm not saying I want him to be.  I just think invading Iraq was a stupid move.
Just poking fun at the people who admantly believe he's a socialist. 

WHICH HE BLOODY WELL ISN'T YOU STUPID FUCKS.

(not directed at the dogdey green-blue colour guy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3cJQJk … re=related
That movie was hilarious...  painful, but hilarious...
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5877|The Wild West

Turquoise wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

m3thod wrote:


Just poking fun at the people who admantly believe he's a socialist. 

WHICH HE BLOODY WELL ISN'T YOU STUPID FUCKS.

(not directed at the dogdey green-blue colour guy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3cJQJk … re=related
That movie was hilarious...  painful, but hilarious...
and painful
13rin
Member
+977|6782

Man With No Name wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Just poking fun at the people who admantly believe he's a socialist. 

WHICH HE BLOODY WELL ISN'T YOU STUPID FUCKS.

(not directed at the dogdey green-blue colour guy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3cJQJk … re=related
he must post in this forum!
You quoted yourself....  Is that pelosi's daughter's movie?

*edit & welcome back GS.

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2009-03-26 15:53:53)

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

he must post in this forum!
You quoted yourself....  Is that pelosi's daughter's movie?

*edit & welcome back GS.
yep...  She has the same accent too...  lol
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

Yeah. That David Kilcullen bloke was on the news last night, mentioned as a best case scenario that we are in Afghanistan for the next ten years with the next three at least having combat operations against the Taliban.


Imagine having a Doctorate in Anthropology that specialises in guerrilla warfare and insurgencies...
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6455|what

GET A BRAIN MORANS

Flecco wrote:

as a best case scenario that we are in Afghanistan for the next ten years with the next three at least having combat operations against the Taliban.
This is Iraq though. When do they leave Iraq?

I really think it's going to be difficult to be in both Iraq and Afghanistan at the same time without dropping the ball somewhere. At the moment Afghanistan is the larger risk and should be the focus. If Obama does pull out of Iraq the troops will only be going to Afghanistan anyway.
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m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6974|UK

RAIMIUS wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Well, admittedly, socialistic governments often have a strong interventionist streak, so he's consistent with socialism in that respect, but more than anything, Obama is certainly not an antiwar president.

Granted, I'm not saying I want him to be.  I just think invading Iraq was a stupid move.
Just poking fun at the people who admantly believe he's a socialist. 

WHICH HE BLOODY WELL ISN'T YOU STUPID FUCKS.

(not directed at the dogdey green-blue colour guy)
Interventionism isn't the opposite of socialism...
He could very well act towards both.
The question is, "will he?"
Will he? He's the President of a country renowned for its super capitalist culture.  What do you think geezer?
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5877|The Wild West

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

he must post in this forum!
You quoted yourself....  Is that pelosi's daughter's movie?

*edit & welcome back GS.
wow you were quick.  I accidentally posted instead of edit.  was up for like 10 seconds
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command

m3thod wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Just poking fun at the people who admantly believe he's a socialist. 

WHICH HE BLOODY WELL ISN'T YOU STUPID FUCKS.

(not directed at the dogdey green-blue colour guy)
Interventionism isn't the opposite of socialism...
He could very well act towards both.
The question is, "will he?"
Will he? He's the President of a country renowned for its super capitalist culture.  What do you think geezer?
Since the guy in the pancho isn't here, the non de plume, I can't say what exactly he'd say.

But I would say Obama appears to be making all the scary things I heard about when I was a kid about what America would be like come true.



I really don't understand how the situation got so quickly out of control.


I do believe our society is on the verge of an epic meltdown.

We are being forced to abandon our concept of how government works. Things we grew up being taught to defeat, like socialism, and  nationalization have become words our elected leaders use in daily debates in the house and senate. My math has been funny, but I calculate the 3 trillion +- divided by the population, 360 million as about 85 thousand for every man, woman, child and illegal alien.





Bad, but we could recover from that.

What we will not recover from is the internationalization of our currency.
Our country as it exists today will not recover from the total destruction of the economy.

I say total destruction because it is the language our elected leader use.

I know that all of my personal debts excluding my house would have been paid and I could have doubled the capacity of my business with 85k.

Instead, I see many businesses running at a 15% gross revenues of peak. The commercial real estate market has yet to crash, but vast vacancies foretell this. I can get prime shop location in Anaheim for .69 a square foot. That means doom is nigh for the holders of these properties as they now are renting them for below what it costs to pay the property taxes and mortgage. Some are owned outright by wealthy people. I figure .69 is slightly above assessed property value on commercial. The ones paying mortgages on the buildings are fooked. Property tax revenues are going to plummet.


A huge swath of middle 'mericans work in building or supply related trades and that market has been decimated. I talk to people who own businesses and the rage is palpable.








All this is happening while trillions get handed to banks who use it to consolidate wealth and power.


https://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sign/sign0023.gif



I have decided that the reason Islam is painted as the enemy by our leaders is because the central banks haven't insinuated themselves into their systems. Sharia Law in regards to the way banks can do business is a damn far cry better than we we have here now...Until they submit to the IMF the are condemned to continuing war and suffering.
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5877|The Wild West
they said the same thing about reagan
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command
And in retrospect, they were right.
It just took a while to trickle down.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

AussieReaper wrote:

GET A BRAIN MORANS

Flecco wrote:

as a best case scenario that we are in Afghanistan for the next ten years with the next three at least having combat operations against the Taliban.
This is Iraq though. When do they leave Iraq?

I really think it's going to be difficult to be in both Iraq and Afghanistan at the same time without dropping the ball somewhere. At the moment Afghanistan is the larger risk and should be the focus. If Obama does pull out of Iraq the troops will only be going to Afghanistan anyway.
I don't think they really let him talk about Iraq in public much. I'd say less time though, as the local infastructure levels there are better and the previous government has been totally swept away where-as the Taliban are still operating in regional areas in Afghanistan including running roaming Shari'a law courts for the public.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6828|South Florida
the worst failure of an administration in history.

well, failure is a matter of perspective.

if like me, you believe personal freedom and privacy are good, its a failure. a giant leep in the opposite direction.

inb4 'like bush was any better'

no he wasnt. its a corrupt government no matter who the president is. only a libertarian president could fix this nation but never will a libertarian hold presidents office for a number of reasons.

oh and how about that new government study that says 'following a third party is a sign of a domestic terrorist' and 'displaying anti government and confederate flags are a sign of a domestic terrorist'
15 more years! 15 more years!
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6713|'Murka

m3thod wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

m3thod wrote:

lewl this guy is about as socialist as Mussolini.
Well, admittedly, socialistic governments often have a strong interventionist streak, so he's consistent with socialism in that respect, but more than anything, Obama is certainly not an antiwar president.

Granted, I'm not saying I want him to be.  I just think invading Iraq was a stupid move.
Just poking fun at the people who admantly believe he's a socialist. 

WHICH HE BLOODY WELL ISN'T YOU STUPID FUCKS.

(not directed at the dogdey green-blue colour guy)
Just what the hell does his Iraq policy have to do with socialist tendencies?

Oh...NOTHING. That's what.

Socialist =/= antiwar
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6713|'Murka

Lotta_Drool wrote:

3 trillion = 3000 million

360 million people

3000/360=8.3
You're off by a factor of 1000.

3 trillion = 3 million million
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

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