BF2S Forums Irish Company Selling "Weapons" To Iran

Braddock wrote:

"An Irish trading company has been charged with sending helicopter engines and other aircraft parts to Iran, according to an indictment unveiled in a US federal court today. The 25-count indictment charges Mac Aviation of Drumcliffe in Co. Sligo, and three of its officers of buying the components from US companies and sending them to Iran through Malaysia and other countries. The US Justice Department says the recipients included an Iranian military firm, Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industrial, that the United States has designated as a “weapons of mass destruction proliferator” for involvement in Iran’s alleged nuclear and ballistic missile programme. Justice Department officials said they are seeking the arrest and deportation of the Irishmen: 72-year-old company owner Tom McGuinn; his 40-year-old son Sean McGuinn, the sales director; and commercial manager Sean Byrne.

The indictment, or charge sheet, says that in the three years before charges were filed under seal in July 2008, Mac Aviation bought US aircraft engines and parts while concealing that they were ultimately heading to customers in Iran. The indictment charges each of the Mac Aviation officials with two counts of conspiracy, 19 counts of violating the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and Iranian Transactions Regulations, four counts of false statements and forfeiture allegations. If convicted, the defendants face maximum sentences of 10-20 years in prison for each of the IEEPA counts, 5-20 years in prison for each of the conspiracy counts, and five years in prison for each of the false statement counts."

Source: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/eyaumhsnidau/

Thoughts?

AussieReaper wrote:

How does the US have jurisdiction over an Irish company?

Is it because the products originated in the US?

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

"An Irish trading company has been charged with sending helicopter engines and other aircraft parts to Iran, according to an indictment unveiled in a US federal court today. The 25-count indictment charges Mac Aviation of Drumcliffe in Co. Sligo, and three of its officers of buying the components from US companies and sending them to Iran through Malaysia and other countries. The US Justice Department says the recipients included an Iranian military firm, Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industrial, that the United States has designated as a “weapons of mass destruction proliferator” for involvement in Iran’s alleged nuclear and ballistic missile programme. Justice Department officials said they are seeking the arrest and deportation of the Irishmen: 72-year-old company owner Tom McGuinn; his 40-year-old son Sean McGuinn, the sales director; and commercial manager Sean Byrne.

The indictment, or charge sheet, says that in the three years before charges were filed under seal in July 2008, Mac Aviation bought US aircraft engines and parts while concealing that they were ultimately heading to customers in Iran. The indictment charges each of the Mac Aviation officials with two counts of conspiracy, 19 counts of violating the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and Iranian Transactions Regulations, four counts of false statements and forfeiture allegations. If convicted, the defendants face maximum sentences of 10-20 years in prison for each of the IEEPA counts, 5-20 years in prison for each of the conspiracy counts, and five years in prison for each of the false statement counts."

Source: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/eyaumhsnidau/

Thoughts?

Not sure what I am missing, but what does the US have to do with the Irish selling anything to anyone?

Read for once.

The indictment, or charge sheet, says that in the three years before charges were filed under seal in July 2008, Mac Aviation bought US aircraft engines and parts while concealing that they were ultimately heading to customers in Iran. The indictment charges each of the Mac Aviation officials with two counts of conspiracy, 19 counts of violating the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and Iranian Transactions Regulations, four counts of false statements and forfeiture allegations

lowing wrote:

I did read that, but my question still stands, Ireland BOUGHT the products, therefore have OWNERSHIP. To me this means the US no longer has control over those products and as such no longer has any say in what happens to them.

lowing wrote:

If these products were so sensative perhaps they should not be selling them to anti- AMerican European nations in the first place if they are going to worry what these European nations are going to do with them.

Adams_BJ wrote:

I don't see how the US can charge them for this. And international sanctions... lol, what's forcing people to follow them.

rdx-fx wrote:

the Irish (UK?) government

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-03-25 06:42:37)

CameronPoe wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

the Irish (UK?) government

My ancestors didn't die in battle so I could be ruled by fucking foreigners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Clontarf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Callann
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Rebellions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Years_War_(Ireland)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Boyne
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1798_rebellion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Rising
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_War_of_Independence

Last edited by rdx-fx (2009-03-25 07:54:28)

PureFodder wrote:

They signed a contract saying that they wouldn't sell off the parts to places like Iran. They did it anyway, violating the contract and giving false statements. Now they have to face the consequences of that decision. I'd guess that the contracts they signed were failry specific about what would happen if they violated it.

FatherTed wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

I did read that, but my question still stands, Ireland BOUGHT the products, therefore have OWNERSHIP. To me this means the US no longer has control over those products and as such no longer has any say in what happens to them.

"Mac Aviation bought US aircraft engines and parts while concealing that they were ultimately heading to customers in Iran."

Bought illegally is still illegal, no matter if they now have ownership. The US had control over the products when they were initially bought and that is where the legal proceedings are stemming from. Not so much as what is now happening to them, but the location they were sent to was concealed at the time of purchase.


And you think Ireland is an Anti-American nation? lol

Europe in general is Anti-American. period. Hence if you want to control your product the ndon't sell it away

Irelands really not. Thanks for the armalites.

"Weapons of mass destruction proliferator"

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2009-03-25 16:14:30)