Right. But one of it's main principals is that faith without works is nothing; i.e. you can't just say it and mean it, you have to act it as well.Stingray24 wrote:
I have. James refers to living out one's faith. Excellent text.
The convicted felon would go to heaven, as all sin is the same in God's eyes. Good works do not matter, though they should come naturally if one is a believer. All people's sins are forgiven, all they have to do is accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. The Ten Commandments were meant as literal in the Old Testament times, but Jesus created a new covenant by which everyone was saved through him.Spearhead wrote:
I'm pretty sure there is at least one Christian regular here in DST who believes that if you do not accept Christ, regardless of what you have done in your life, you will go to hell. So this is for them, or anyone else who thinks the same.
So I have a question. Let's say someone convicted of rape, or murder, was rehabilitated and then genuinely becomes a Christian and "accepts Jesus". Does this person go to heaven while another person who has not committed any crimes, is a non-believer, has no criminal record, and has done "good" things with his life go to hell?
Bible(NIV) wrote:
Ephesians 2:8-9: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.
John 3:16: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
I wouldn't call my fat neighbor mowing his lawn shirtless perfection.kylef wrote:
Take a look outside. Look at the perfection.
Nor my pregnant neighbor smoking.Lotta_Drool wrote:
I wouldn't call my fat neighbor mowing his lawn shirtless perfection.kylef wrote:
Take a look outside. Look at the perfection.
far from perfection, look at the chaos. The universe is random, chaotic, not perfect.kylef wrote:
Take a look outside. Look at the perfection.
Amen bro...Amenkylef wrote:
Take a look outside. Look at the perfection.
Thank Adam & Eve for that, it was perfect, but they screwed it up. God gave humanity free will, because He wanted us to believe, not just mindlessly worship Him. The option of free will is what got us here, ad it is not always a bad thing, but it gives people the option of doing bad things.Vilham wrote:
far from perfection, look at the chaos. The universe is random, chaotic, not perfect.kylef wrote:
Take a look outside. Look at the perfection.
Indeed, it is something that is difficult to wrap one's head around, because we want to believe that we can be good enough ourselves. We also like to believe that some sins are worse than others, the only unforgivable sin is:(see quote below)Lotta_Drool wrote:
Nickb64- excellent post and good luck trying to get the kids on here to understand the logic in that.
Son of Man=JesusBible(NIV) wrote:
Luke 12:10- And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
Adam banged Eve, only 1 chick in the world and she put out big time without Adam even getting her drunk first. I've seen pictures of her and she was a white girl with big thighs and tits. I would have done her too as long as she shaved.nickb64 wrote:
Thank Adam & Eve for that, it was perfect, but they screwed it up. God gave humanity free will, because He wanted us to believe, not just mindlessly worship Him. The option of free will is what got us here, ad it is not always a bad thing, but it gives people the option of doing bad things.Vilham wrote:
far from perfection, look at the chaos. The universe is random, chaotic, not perfect.kylef wrote:
Take a look outside. Look at the perfection.
So you take the bible in a straight forward literal manner?nickb64 wrote:
Thank Adam & Eve for that, it was perfect, but they screwed it up. God gave humanity free will, because He wanted us to believe, not just mindlessly worship Him. The option of free will is what got us here, ad it is not always a bad thing, but it gives people the option of doing bad things.Vilham wrote:
far from perfection, look at the chaos. The universe is random, chaotic, not perfect.kylef wrote:
Take a look outside. Look at the perfection.
So everyone else gets the shaft because two people screwed up? That doesn't sound like a very forgiving God, sounds a little Irrational tbh.nickb64 wrote:
Thank Adam & Eve for that, it was perfect, but they screwed it up.
Holy Spirit = Dead Jesus Ghost that left cavenickb64 wrote:
Indeed, it is something that is difficult to wrap one's head around, because we want to believe that we can be good enough ourselves. We also like to believe that some sins are worse than others, the only unforgivable sin is:(see quote below)Lotta_Drool wrote:
Nickb64- excellent post and good luck trying to get the kids on here to understand the logic in that.Son of Man=JesusBible(NIV) wrote:
Luke 12:10- And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
Yea, not to mention the book of Genesis is more of a "heylookweareareligiontoo,seewegotthisshitaswell" kind of book. The next 5 are where it starts to get more specific.El Beardo wrote:
So everyone else gets the shaft because two people screwed up? That doesn't sound like a very forgiving God, sounds a little Irrational tbh.nickb64 wrote:
Thank Adam & Eve for that, it was perfect, but they screwed it up.
They brought sin into the world, and death is the consequence of sin, their kids created murder.El Beardo wrote:
So everyone else gets the shaft because two people screwed up? That doesn't sound like a very forgiving God, sounds a little Irrational tbh.nickb64 wrote:
Thank Adam & Eve for that, it was perfect, but they screwed it up.
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lolnickb64 wrote:
They brought sin into the world, and death is the consequence of sin, their kids created murder.El Beardo wrote:
So everyone else gets the shaft because two people screwed up? That doesn't sound like a very forgiving God, sounds a little Irrational tbh.nickb64 wrote:
Thank Adam & Eve for that, it was perfect, but they screwed it up.
People still had the choice to not sin. Their sin caused God to plan to send Jesus and have a plan for the Old Covenant that allowed people to go to heaven before Jesus, through the Old Testament sacrifices, they were all looking ahead for the coming messiah, Jesus. God had a plan for forgiveness, it would not have been necessary, but Adam & Eve messed up, bringing in sin. God was loving and forgiving, but they had to live with the consequences, and the ultimate consequence is death.
@ Macbeth: Yes, I do.
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1) Yes, though there can be some interpretation due to translation, but overall, Yes it is true and the inspired Word of God.Macbeth wrote:
lolnickb64 wrote:
They brought sin into the world, and death is the consequence of sin, their kids created murder.El Beardo wrote:
So everyone else gets the shaft because two people screwed up? That doesn't sound like a very forgiving God, sounds a little Irrational tbh.
People still had the choice to not sin. Their sin caused God to plan to send Jesus and have a plan for the Old Covenant that allowed people to go to heaven before Jesus, through the Old Testament sacrifices, they were all looking ahead for the coming messiah, Jesus. God had a plan for forgiveness, it would not have been necessary, but Adam & Eve messed up, bringing in sin. God was loving and forgiving, but they had to live with the consequences, and the ultimate consequence is death.
@ Macbeth: Yes, I do.
So if it was in the bible it was a 100% true? Science is also bullshit unless it agrees with the bible right?
last time i checked, Irish were European too...Lotta_Drool wrote:
If we all came from Adam and Eve why do Europeans, Africans, Asians, and the Irish all look so different?
How do you feel about other religions? Such as Judaism, Islam and Hinduism?nickb64 wrote:
1) Yes, though there can be some interpretation due to translation, but overall, Yes it is true and the inspired Word of God.Macbeth wrote:
lolnickb64 wrote:
They brought sin into the world, and death is the consequence of sin, their kids created murder.
People still had the choice to not sin. Their sin caused God to plan to send Jesus and have a plan for the Old Covenant that allowed people to go to heaven before Jesus, through the Old Testament sacrifices, they were all looking ahead for the coming messiah, Jesus. God had a plan for forgiveness, it would not have been necessary, but Adam & Eve messed up, bringing in sin. God was loving and forgiving, but they had to live with the consequences, and the ultimate consequence is death.
@ Macbeth: Yes, I do.
So if it was in the bible it was a 100% true? Science is also bullshit unless it agrees with the bible right?
2) God gave us science and knowledge, the main scientific theory I have a problem with is Macro evolution, the man from apes crap, I believe Micro evolution, the adaptation of cells over time.
http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/race-skincolor.htmlLotta_Drool wrote:
If we all came from Adam and Eve why do Europeans, Africans, Asians, and the Irish all look so different?
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nice try. that was a load of bollocks.nickb64 wrote:
http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/race-skincolor.htmlLotta_Drool wrote:
If we all came from Adam and Eve why do Europeans, Africans, Asians, and the Irish all look so different?