The Uncountable Cost

2009-03-18 20:06:15

#26

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7012

Obama is a failure.

now, either you believe what i said that the president is a figure head. (although that would kill all of your bush bashing, so i doubt you guys will)

or you now believe obama is a teleprompter manchurian candidate with pelosi and others pulling the strings.

or you think he is the "change" we needed.

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so, which is it?

2009-03-18 20:07:17

#27

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7012

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Breed competence.

lolwut

2009-03-18 20:07:29

#28

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6957|67.222.138.85

usmarine wrote:
or you think he is the "change" we needed.

Do you believe we would be better off with Bush in office right now? Keeping in mind his record with the American people?

usmarine wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Breed competence.
lolwut

Unless you were implying that I will very soon be compared to Hitler, I think you better than most know what I mean.

2009-03-18 20:08:54

#29

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7012

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
usmarine wrote:
or you think he is the "change" we needed.
Do you believe we would be better off with Bush in office right now? Keeping in mind his record with the American people?

bush wasnt running. but, you cant play "what if" games. you can only play what is.

2009-03-18 20:09:44

#30

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6780|Global Command

How about all the tax increases?
What could they be used for to benefit our society.

Obama is a neo-marxist.

2009-03-18 20:10:06

#31

Dauntless: Admin; +2,249|6993|London

usmarine wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
usmarine wrote:
or you think he is the "change" we needed.
Do you believe we would be better off with Bush in office right now? Keeping in mind his record with the American people?
bush wasnt running. but, you cant play "what if" games. you can only play what is.

What is black white and red all over?

2009-03-18 20:10:08

#32

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6957|67.222.138.85

usmarine wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
usmarine wrote:
or you think he is the "change" we needed.
Do you believe we would be better off with Bush in office right now? Keeping in mind his record with the American people?
bush wasnt running. but, you cant play "what if" games. you can only play what is.

You're asking if we think he is the "change we needed". Do you think the status quo was good for the country?

2009-03-18 20:10:48

#33

nickb64: formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]; +77|5861|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
The probability that eventually someone will feel that MAD is a favorable outcome for them is again quite good.

So where are we left now? The defense of mutually assured destruction depends on the other country caring about maintaining its own well-being more than hurting ours.

Iran would be just that type of country if(really when) they get nukes. They are suicidal and believe that it's all good as long as US and Israel are wiped out, especially Israel.

2009-03-18 20:11:13

#34

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7012

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
usmarine wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Do you believe we would be better off with Bush in office right now? Keeping in mind his record with the American people?
bush wasnt running. but, you cant play "what if" games. you can only play what is.
You're asking if we think he is the "change we needed". Do you think the status quo was good for the country?

no... i am asking if he has lived up to all of his "awesome" sermons.....erm speeches.

2009-03-18 20:11:40

#35

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6957|67.222.138.85

It's really a question of whether you would prefer the populace to be unjustifiably pissed or unjustifiably happy.

2009-03-18 20:11:52

#36

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6851|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
How is MAD any different than a shitload of well-trained men in that era?

What do you think MAD means anyways? It means that we happen to have a bunch of nukes at the moment. We don't hold some massively important secrets that will never be discovered by another country. So:

Eventually, any country that wants to will have nukes.

The probability that some of those countries don't like the U.S. so much is high.

The probability that eventually someone will feel that MAD is a favorable outcome for them is again quite good.

So where are we left now? The defense of mutually assured destruction depends on the other country caring about maintaining its own well-being more than hurting ours.

Right, no difference between armies of men and ICBM's. Got it.

The capacity to unleash mass destruction will never slowly dissipate or be completely disbanded. Again, even if it is a stalemate, it is permanent insurance.

oh, yea.. and they never had the capacity to wipe the earth clean..lol. The original point.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-03-18 20:14:19

#37

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6957|67.222.138.85

Kmarion wrote:
Right, no difference between armies of men and ICBM's. Got it.

I concede the point, under the pressure of your clever yet simple argument.

Kmarion wrote:
The capacity to unleash mass destruction will never slowly dissipate or be completely disbanded. Again, even if it is a stalemate, it is permanent insurance.

You have so much faith in man.

Insurance against what? That we will get the bastards from our graves? If you're going to end all life, a life insurance policy is useless.

Kmarion wrote:
oh, yea.. and they never had the capacity to wipe the earth clean..lol. The original point.

The political aspects of the Rome and the U.S. in this aspect is practically identical.

2009-03-18 20:14:22

#38

Dauntless: Admin; +2,249|6993|London

The answer was... A NEWSPAPER!

Get it?

2009-03-18 20:15:37

#39

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6851|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
Right, no difference between armies of men and ICBM's. Got it.
I concede the point, under the pressure of your clever yet simple argument.

Kmarion wrote:
The capacity to unleash mass destruction will never slowly dissipate or be completely disbanded. Again, even if it is a stalemate, it is permanent insurance.
You have so much faith in man.

Insurance against what? That we will get the bastards from our graves? If you're going to end all life, a life insurance policy is useless.

No, I was saying there was a difference. What we do with it is frightening. We all fall down ..etc.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-03-18 20:16:33

#40

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6957|67.222.138.85

Sooooo...what is the difference again?

2009-03-18 20:25:00

#41

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6851|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Sooooo...what is the difference again?

The world goes down together. There are more irons in the fire. Whereas much of the world wasn't even discovered during the rise and fall of Rome. There are fundamental differences that people ignore when drawing this comparison. Technology matters. It dumbs down the discussion when people make the vague assertion that history must repeat itself. The results are not guaranteed, and frankly I'm over hearing this tired old comparison.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-03-18 20:29:09

#42

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6957|67.222.138.85

Well, I don't agree that history is doomed to repeat itself, so I'm not going to keep on that. The idea of letting my life be valued by someone else by how much they value their life however is unacceptable.

2009-03-18 20:36:35

#43

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6780|Global Command

Fuck.

I should make a video. When Mods Derail.

What ever.

I think it will take 50-200 years before all the costs associated with W's lack of oversight and regulation, combined with trillions in bailouts and tax increases, and Obamas " let no crysis go to waste " policies get revealed for what they are;

The biggest financial crime in the history of mankind.

2009-03-18 20:37:06

#44

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6851|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Well, I don't agree that history is doomed to repeat itself, so I'm not going to keep on that. The idea of letting my life be valued by someone else by how much they value their life however is unacceptable.

Nor do I.
I said it was frightening. I don't see civilization turning back now. I know you're not a fan of teh Kepler mission but shit, I'd sure like to somehow warp to another habitable planet. Maybe this money could be used to get us there (lol). Goodbye cruel world.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-03-18 20:42:15

#45

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6656|North Carolina

Time to nationalize baby... If the government is going to get involved no matter what, you might as well go all the way.

2009-03-18 20:44:54

#46

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6851|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:
Time to nationalize baby... If the government is going to get involved no matter what, you might as well go all the way.

Ez Hugo.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-03-18 20:45:55

#47

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6751|so randum

Mad self negates, by it's very description.

This is assuming the possessive nations aren't suicidal.

Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella

2009-03-18 20:47:51

#48

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6851|132 and Bush

FatherTed wrote:
Mad self negates, by it's very description.

This is assuming the possessive nations aren't suicidal.

Desperation under threat.. what do you think?

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-03-18 20:49:13

#49

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6751|so randum

Kmarion wrote:
FatherTed wrote:
Mad self negates, by it's very description.

This is assuming the possessive nations aren't suicidal.
Desperation under threat.. what do you think?

Good point. I'll resume this after a bit of sleep. Night BF2s

Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella

2009-03-18 20:51:16

#50

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6851|132 and Bush

FatherTed wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
FatherTed wrote:
Mad self negates, by it's very description.

This is assuming the possessive nations aren't suicidal.
Desperation under threat.. what do you think?
Good point. I'll resume this after a bit of sleep. Night BF2s

ball of fire tbh.. nite

Xbone Stormsurgezz

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