But was he expecting to get shot? Did he go in front of them knowing he would have to take a bullet? Chances are no, he wasn't/didn't. He probably thought that if he put himself in the way, nothing would happen, it did, therefore it was a bad decision to do so.JahManRed wrote:
He had the balls to stand in front of children to protect them. You or I would never have the balls to make the decisions he made..........to be fair.M.O.A.B wrote:
Hmm. Well to be fair, standing in the way of the soldiers wasn't the best decision to make on the planet.JahManRed wrote:
From Belfast? My ARSE!FatherTed wrote:
Israeli [Tear Gas] Hippie
LOL, pricless.
Could have been worse. Could have been British activist Tom Hurndall.
The link shows a photo of Tom after he was shot, if you don't have the stomach for reality, don't click it.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1358.shtml
The Israelis convicted the shooter.......an Arab.
"On 11 August 2005, al-Heib was sentenced to eight years in prison by a military court."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Hurndall
It personally doesn't bother me because I don't care about a American protester that is so sympathetic to Palestine, they decide to protest in a quasi war zone.
mafia996630 wrote:
Right, are you tying to say your not sympathetic towards him is because of his cause ?
You just typed that you don't know what the 'reponses' should be .... But you know what they can't? C'mo
Edit: Try to keep up this time.mafia996630 wrote:
Not what they can't , more like what they shouldn't .
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Well, then why the fuck don't you just tell us all what to think instead of hacking at others' opinions whilst posting snuff photos. Wait lemme... here so much better now.mafia996630 wrote:
Yea because that's what I was really getting at.Poseidon wrote:
Comparing a sniper's bullet to a tear gas canister = lol.
*edit: you have no point so as there's nothing to keep up with.
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I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
So what would you do. Take up guns? Bend over? What?M.O.A.B wrote:
I generally wouldn't give up my weekend to go and wave a placard at someone that will have no effect and have a high chance of getting shot, gassed, blown up or soaked with cold water.
What do you do when somebody is fucking you day in day out? When they take your land. Your home. When they kill your relatives. When they don't allow you to go to work. When they beat you up for no reason. What the fuck would you do.
First off, this is not retaliation. This is an offensive. Let's not forget that. Second, there is a thing called police brutality. Which of course is not the case here, because we're talking about the IDF I take it. But regardless of that, what will it take for you people to say no more. I really wonder.Flecco wrote:
? You protest you accept the risk that there will be police retaliation.
That's just how it works.
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:wutDBBrinson1 wrote:
Well, then why the fuck don't you just tell us all what to think instead of hacking at others' opinions whilst posting snuff photos. Wait lemme... here so much better now.mafia996630 wrote:
Yea because that's what I was really getting at.Poseidon wrote:
Comparing a sniper's bullet to a tear gas canister = lol.
*edit: you have no point so as there's nothing to keep up with.
Like I said earlier, some people are full of shit.
Protest an illegal apartheid wall, get shot in the face with tear gas. Fellow countrymen have no sympathy because you like to sit in trees instead of something they deem more worthwhile.
Anyone notice the tear gas canister that landed right next to the people that were helping the dude out on a stretcher? That sure was a tactical shot...
Anyone notice the tear gas canister that landed right next to the people that were helping the dude out on a stretcher? That sure was a tactical shot...
usmarine wrote:
oug & ken are jew haters!
Man, never knew Oakland was so bad. Wait, no he wasn't protesting in Oakland was he? Read up sport, why would I go and protest in a foreign country where my efforts will amount to nothing, and there is a high chance I would be shot, blown up, kidnapped, gassed or water cannoned?oug wrote:
So what would you do. Take up guns? Bend over? What?M.O.A.B wrote:
I generally wouldn't give up my weekend to go and wave a placard at someone that will have no effect and have a high chance of getting shot, gassed, blown up or soaked with cold water.
What do you do when somebody is fucking you day in day out? When they take your land. Your home. When they kill your relatives. When they don't allow you to go to work. When they beat you up for no reason. What the fuck would you do.
As for in my own country, I don't need to protest and I wouldn't anyway. Protesting against one thing always leads to disruption of everyone elses lives, so again, I wouldn't waste my weekend causing disruption to get gassed and water cannoned or bean bagged.
So did he die?mafia996630 wrote:
http://electronicintifada.net/artman2/u … undall.gif
A British peace activist going only by the name Alice cries for help as she holds her hand over the headwound of British peace activist Thomas Hurndall, who had been shot in the head moments earlier, at the start of a protest, in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip, Friday, April 11, 2003. Hurndall, age 21, from Machester, England, had been standing between Israeli troops and Palestinian children when Israeli soldiers opened fire, according to a fellow activist from the International Solidarity Movement who witnessed the scene.
Oh so one is restricted to protesting against injustice in his own country? Or is it state? Or back yard? I'm sorry to say this but you're a sheep. I just hope you never have to learn how to earn your freedom the hard way. Btw imagine if everyone over the years said the same as you...M.O.A.B wrote:
Man, never knew Oakland was so bad. Wait, no he wasn't protesting in Oakland was he? Read up sport, why would I go and protest in a foreign country where my efforts will amount to nothing, and there is a high chance I would be shot, blown up, kidnapped, gassed or water cannoned?
As for in my own country, I don't need to protest and I wouldn't anyway. Protesting against one thing always leads to disruption of everyone elses lives, so again, I wouldn't waste my weekend causing disruption to get gassed and water cannoned or bean bagged.
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You're a sheep, No you're a sheep, no you're the sheep, I'm not a sheep you're the sheep.
Stupid fucking line.
@oug Why not protest injustice in another country? Because it is none of your god damn business. Going to other lands to impose your views for how they should live isn't the right thing to do, it's the big headed thing to do.
Stupid fucking line.
@oug Why not protest injustice in another country? Because it is none of your god damn business. Going to other lands to impose your views for how they should live isn't the right thing to do, it's the big headed thing to do.
I FUCKING LOVE DST!
yeah!
yeah!
Remind me again, what do man-made boarders have to do with universal notions like justice and peace?Macbeth wrote:
You're a sheep, No you're a sheep, no you're the sheep, I'm not a sheep you're the sheep.
Stupid fucking line.
@oug Why not protest injustice in another country? Because it is none of your god damn business. Going to other lands to impose your views for how they should live isn't the right thing to do, it's the big headed thing to do.
Also as pointed above by Dilbert, for Americans to be saying this... well you gotta admit it's fucking ironic!
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I'm not arguing about anything other than what I gather was the single shot that caused this whole mess. Some guy got hit in the face. That's all I've been posting about.oug wrote:
First off, this is not retaliation. This is an offensive. Let's not forget that. Second, there is a thing called police brutality. Which of course is not the case here, because we're talking about the IDF I take it. But regardless of that, what will it take for you people to say no more. I really wonder.Flecco wrote:
? You protest you accept the risk that there will be police retaliation.
That's just how it works.
Not the second or third or the blocked ambulance or anything like that (oddly enough the ambulance looked Israeli). People are making such a big deal out of a shot that in all likelihood accidentally hit a guy in the face. It's terrible, yes. It's condemnable, yes. No more so than a careless driver hitting somebody crossing the road though. If you want to talk about the IDF being heavy handed maybe we should look at real examples, like the border 'fence' itself or the Hurndall one already posted. Protesting? Sure, fine. If there were protesters in the group throwing rocks though it becomes another matter. That's not a peaceful protest, that's assault and you take your safety into your own hands by staying in or near a violent protest. I'd support negligence charges being brought against the guy who shot him but I disagree that this is another example of Israeli brutality.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Everything.oug wrote:
Remind me again, what do man-made boarders have to do with universal notions like justice and peace?Macbeth wrote:
You're a sheep, No you're a sheep, no you're the sheep, I'm not a sheep you're the sheep.
Stupid fucking line.
@oug Why not protest injustice in another country? Because it is none of your god damn business. Going to other lands to impose your views for how they should live isn't the right thing to do, it's the big headed thing to do.
Also as pointed above by Dilbert, for Americans to be saying this... well you gotta admit it's fucking ironic!
Justice is defined by the law, which is defined by the government. So only the government has the right to decide what is justice and what isn't.
What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee: Have at thee, coward! /Shakespeare
Now sometimes you must have double standards for things. What works for one group of people wouldn't work for another. Now in the middle east we've learned that only a strong iron fist can hold those people down. Maybe that is what they need a strong iron fist.
I really don't care about that one guy. It just bugs me that there's all these people sitting in their comfy homes being sarcastic about this as if such a thing is so far from their reality.Flecco wrote:
I'm not arguing about anything other than what I gather was the single shot that caused this whole mess. Some guy got hit in the face. That's all I've been posting about.
Not the second or third or the blocked ambulance or anything like that (oddly enough the ambulance looked Israeli). People are making such a big deal out of a shot that in all likelihood accidentally hit a guy in the face. It's terrible, yes. It's condemnable, yes. No more so than a careless driver hitting somebody crossing the road though. If you want to talk about the IDF being heavy handed maybe we should look at real examples, like the border 'fence' itself or the Hurndall one already posted. Protesting? Sure, fine. If there were protesters in the group throwing rocks though it becomes another matter. That's not a peaceful protest, that's assault and you take your safety into your own hands by staying in or near a violent protest. I'd support negligence charges being brought against the guy who shot him but I disagree that this is another example of Israeli brutality.
Although tbh I think it's different than a careless driver situation... And as far as the stone throwing is concerned, I'm sure the Israelis would find some other pretext to gas these people anyway. You're right though, in comparison with other events in the region between Israelis and Palestinians this is quite trivial. Sadly though, no matter what's going on the reaction is the same...
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Oh my. Your ignorance is certainly entertaining. Sadly it's the middle of the night around here... Proper answer will have to wait. But honestly mate... I don't know whether to laugh or cry!Macbeth wrote:
Everything.
Justice is defined by the law, which is defined by the government. So only the government has the right to decide what is justice and what isn't.
What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee: Have at thee, coward! /Shakespeare
Now sometimes you must have double standards for things. What works for one group of people wouldn't work for another. Now in the middle east we've learned that only a strong iron fist can hold those people down. Maybe that is what they need a strong iron fist.
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and that is what gets you going eh? that is what pisses you off huh? is it because it is israel? because that is a drop in the bucket compared to africa. but, we write them off correct?mafia996630 wrote:
http://electronicintifada.net/artman2/u … undall.gif
A British peace activist going only by the name Alice cries for help as she holds her hand over the headwound of British peace activist Thomas Hurndall, who had been shot in the head moments earlier, at the start of a protest, in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip, Friday, April 11, 2003. Hurndall, age 21, from Machester, England, had been standing between Israeli troops and Palestinian children when Israeli soldiers opened fire, according to a fellow activist from the International Solidarity Movement who witnessed the scene.
C'mon, everyone knows the Israeli army gang-rapes hundreds of women and forces 30,000 children to fight. You should be grateful the International Solidarity Movement is there to help them.usmarine wrote:
and that is what gets you going eh? that is what pisses you off huh? is it because it is israel? because that is a drop in the bucket compared to africa. but, we write them off correct?mafia996630 wrote:
http://electronicintifada.net/artman2/u … undall.gif
A British peace activist going only by the name Alice cries for help as she holds her hand over the headwound of British peace activist Thomas Hurndall, who had been shot in the head moments earlier, at the start of a protest, in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip, Friday, April 11, 2003. Hurndall, age 21, from Machester, England, had been standing between Israeli troops and Palestinian children when Israeli soldiers opened fire, according to a fellow activist from the International Solidarity Movement who witnessed the scene.
Marine, you forget, Palestine and Palestinians are more photogenic than Sudan!usmarine wrote:
and that is what gets you going eh? that is what pisses you off huh? is it because it is israel? because that is a drop in the bucket compared to africa. but, we write them off correct?mafia996630 wrote:
http://electronicintifada.net/artman2/u … undall.gif
A British peace activist going only by the name Alice cries for help as she holds her hand over the headwound of British peace activist Thomas Hurndall, who had been shot in the head moments earlier, at the start of a protest, in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip, Friday, April 11, 2003. Hurndall, age 21, from Machester, England, had been standing between Israeli troops and Palestinian children when Israeli soldiers opened fire, according to a fellow activist from the International Solidarity Movement who witnessed the scene.
@ Macbeth... It was people thinking like your post on what 'justice' is that enabled Hitler. 'Huh, the government says it's okay to beat the crap out of communists on the street, lets go!'... Always question your government.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Again a post of yours consisting of nothing. Thank you for proving my point.mafia996630 wrote:
:wutDBBrinson1 wrote:
Well, then why the fuck don't you just tell us all what to think instead of hacking at others' opinions whilst posting snuff photos. Wait lemme... here so much better now.mafia996630 wrote:
Yea because that's what I was really getting at.
*edit: you have no point so as there's nothing to keep up with.
Like I said earlier, some people are full of shit.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Actually they are better for posing Flecco! Plus we all know African's can't use cameras, they are just hairless apes, so they don't matter.Flecco wrote:
Marine, you forget, Palestine and Palestinians are more photogenic than Sudan!usmarine wrote:
and that is what gets you going eh? that is what pisses you off huh? is it because it is israel? because that is a drop in the bucket compared to africa. but, we write them off correct?mafia996630 wrote:
http://electronicintifada.net/artman2/u … undall.gif
A British peace activist going only by the name Alice cries for help as she holds her hand over the headwound of British peace activist Thomas Hurndall, who had been shot in the head moments earlier, at the start of a protest, in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip, Friday, April 11, 2003. Hurndall, age 21, from Machester, England, had been standing between Israeli troops and Palestinian children when Israeli soldiers opened fire, according to a fellow activist from the International Solidarity Movement who witnessed the scene.
@ Macbeth... It was people thinking like your post on what 'justice' is that enabled Hitler. 'Huh, the government says it's okay to beat the crap out of communists on the street, lets go!'... Always question your government.
So you people actually don't see the difference between the situation in Africa and Palestine? Really? The joke is getting old by now so you might as well stop playing dumb.
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Its because Israel claims to be a modern european democracy, not savages pursuing racial supremacy and a stone age religion.usm wrote:
and that is what gets you going eh? that is what pisses you off huh? is it because it is israel?
If the US were giving billions of dollars worth of modern weapons and total protection in the UN to one of the factions in Bosnia/Somalia/Some-other-shithole you can bet the griping would be just as intense.
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Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
I would love to hear a response to that. In the mean time I will have to think since you are Greek to make either a gay joke or pedophilia in the near future.oug wrote:
Oh my. Your ignorance is certainly entertaining. Sadly it's the middle of the night around here... Proper answer will have to wait. But honestly mate... I don't know whether to laugh or cry!Macbeth wrote:
Everything.
Justice is defined by the law, which is defined by the government. So only the government has the right to decide what is justice and what isn't.
What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee: Have at thee, coward! /Shakespeare
Now sometimes you must have double standards for things. What works for one group of people wouldn't work for another. Now in the middle east we've learned that only a strong iron fist can hold those people down. Maybe that is what they need a strong iron fist.