Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5846|Toronto
After spending some time here in the D&ST forum I have decided that a guide to basic logic is in need. Use it to make the D&ST section a little bit more manageable, and for your own personal benefit (IE not looking like an ass).

The basic syllogism (argument)- three parts.

1.) Premises (assertions, or major premise)
One or more propositions are necessary for the argument to continue. They must be stated explicitly. They are called the premises of the argument. They are the evidence (or reasons) for accepting the argument and its conclusions.

2.) Inference (minor premise)
The premises of the argument are used to obtain further propositions. This process is known as inference. In inference, we start with one or more propositions which have been accepted. We then derive a new proposition. There are various forms of valid inference. The propositions arrived at by inference may then be used in further inference.

3.) Conclusion
The conclusion is often stated as the final stage of inference. It is affirmed on the basis the original premises, and the inference from them.

example:

Premise: All humans are mortal.
inference: Some bf2s'ers are human.
Conclusion: Some bf2s'ers are mortal.


Now on the to argumentative or logical fallacies. Avoid committing the following.

Distraction tactics:
False Dilemma: two choices are given when in fact there are more than two options
Ignorance (assumption): because something is not known to be true or correct, it is assumed to be false or incorrect
Slippery Slope: a series of increasingly unacceptable consequences is drawn from an original event in an attempt to prove the value of the first occurrence
Complex Question: two unrelated points are conjoined as a single proposition. Often done to mask the weaker of the two points.

Appeals to emotion:
Appeal to Force: the reader is persuaded to agree by force, possibly a senior member or moderator.
Appeal to Pity: the reader is persuaded to agree by sympathy for somebody who may have a personal stake in the matter at hand
Prejudicial Language: value or moral goodness is attached to believing the author based on their perceived moral goodness.
Popularity: a proposition is argued to be true because it is widely held to be true and for no other reason.


Attacking the Person (Ad Hominem): the character is attacked. Name calling and the like, questioning motives, the practice what you preach...

Appeals to Authority: 
Anonymous Authority: the authority in question is not named
Style Over Substance: the manner in which an argument is presented is felt to affect value of the conclusion drawn.

Inductive Fallacies
Hasty Generalization: the sample is too small to support an inductive generalization about a much larger population
Unrepresentative Sample: the sample is not an accurate depiction of the larger body in question
False Analogy: the two objects or events being compared are dissimilar
Slothful Induction: the conclusion of an inductive argument is denied despite proper evidence to support the argument
Fallacy of Exclusion: evidence which would change the outcome of an inductive argument is excluded from consideration

Causal Fallacies
Post Hoc: This because of that. As one thing follows another, it is held to cause the other
Joint effect: one thing is held to cause another when in fact they are both the joint effects of an underlying cause
Complex Cause: the cause identified is only a part of the entire cause of the effect

Missing the Point
Begging the Question: the truth of the conclusion is assumed in the premises used to achieve the conclusion
Straw Man: the author attacks an argument different from (and weaker than) the opposition's best or most pertinent argument

Fallacies of Ambiguity
Equivocation: the same term is used with two different meanings in the same argument without differentiation
Amphiboly: the structure of a sentence allows two different interpretations leading to improper interpretation

Category Errors
Composition: because the attributes of the parts of a whole have a certain property, it is argued that the whole has that property
Division: because the whole has a certain property, it is argued that the parts have that property

Non Sequitur
Affirming the Consequent: any argument of the form: If A then B, B, therefore A
Denying the Antecedent: any argument of the form: If A then B, Not A, thus Not B
Inconsistency: asserting that contrary or contradictory statements are both true

Taken from: http://www.onegoodmove.org/fallacy/toc.htm and http://www.logicalfallacies.info/ and http://www.jstor.org/sici?sici=0026-4423(196810)2%3A77%3A308%3C480%3AACOS%3E2.0.CO%3B2-W

I do not hold this guide to exhaustive or perfect; it is far from it. If you feel the need to add to it or correct it please make a suggestion and I'll edit it in. I expect changes to need to be made as I only spent 10 minutes putting this together.

Last edited by Pochsy (2009-03-16 17:39:56)

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
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No U
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6840|Long Island, New York

Harmor wrote:

No U
^^^
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6455|what

1.) Premises
I don't believe this is a proper argument.

2.) Inference
I shouldn't be able to argue with myself for example.

3.) Conclusion
Shut up! Yes I should.
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Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5846|Toronto
Lol this was not a shot at anybody in particular, I just felt that for a debate and serious talk section there sure as hell were a lot of argumentative fallacies taking place. I only did this to offer a quick reference for anybody who needed it, and so I could link them to this thread when they make awesomely stupid statements lol.

Granted, some of the members are younger, but this guide only serves to help them both inside and outside of bf2s.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6968|NT, like Mick Dundee

It's nicknamed Debate and Serious Trolling for a reason.


I prefer Derailed and Serious Trolling myself.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
BVC
Member
+325|6998
Philosophy 101

Good post OP
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6883|the dank(super) side of Oregon
most of the shit in dst has been discussed on so many occasion all that's left is baiting people and being obtuse.
Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5846|Toronto

Reciprocity wrote:

most of the shit in dst has been discussed on so many occasion all that's left is baiting people and being obtuse.
Then shall we simply quit and admit that debate is a fruitless endeavour and instead post only in the Everything Else section?

I like to believe that even seemingly useless internet debates serve to better your argumentative skills and ability to understand/recognize alternative viewpoints. It might even do the job exceptionally well, as you cannot make the error of judging the worth of a person's point on their physical appearance, their body language, their speech skills. Instead the emphasis is placed on critical skills like spelling, grammar and argument quality.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
Aries_37
arrivederci frog
+368|6878|London
lol looks like my critical thinking textbook
Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5846|Toronto

Aries_37 wrote:

lol looks like my critical thinking textbook
Is that a good thing? I really should have taken the easy route and just posted a link to a textbook like yours lol. Post up some of the stuff I've undoubtedly missed that's in your textbook. We really just need a list of the logical fallacies.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
Aries_37
arrivederci frog
+368|6878|London

Pochsy wrote:

Aries_37 wrote:

lol looks like my critical thinking textbook
Is that a good thing? I really should have taken the easy route and just posted a link to a textbook like yours lol. Post up some of the stuff I've undoubtedly missed that's in your textbook. We really just need a list of the logical fallacies.
no lol when I day it looks like, I mean it's almost identical. Mind you I haven't used it in 2-3 years but as far as I remember the format, layout and even the examples were very similar. Freaky, lol.

Last edited by Aries_37 (2009-03-16 19:11:53)

Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5846|Toronto

Aries_37 wrote:

Pochsy wrote:

Aries_37 wrote:

lol looks like my critical thinking textbook
Is that a good thing? I really should have taken the easy route and just posted a link to a textbook like yours lol. Post up some of the stuff I've undoubtedly missed that's in your textbook. We really just need a list of the logical fallacies.
no lol when I mean it looks like, I mean it's almost identical. Mind you I haven't used it in 2-3 years but as far as I remember the format, layout and even the examples were very similar. Freaky, lol.
Eh, I think everybody learns the stuff (and I suppose writes) in the same way really: a big ass list. The categories of fallacies I remember from the 11th grade, and some of the specific fallacies are taken from one of the sources posted at the bottom with little editing. Maybe one of the sources I used was your textbook?
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
Reciprocity
Member
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Pochsy wrote:

Then shall we simply quit and admit that debate is a fruitless endeavour and instead post only in the Everything Else section?
i'm just saying this forum stays fairly up to date on the issues.  when some dipshit goes on a shooting spree, we no longer spend too much time debating gun control, that nut's already been busted.  of course new subjects come up and some kind of discussion or debate ensues.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command
Well, at least you got in there in the threads before you posted a topic telling people how to post.
Most know-it-all trolls do not take the time to become part of the community before they do that.


btw, what size are your shoes?, and is that a fake nose or do you actually have a red schnozz the size of a kiwi fruit? And that curly orange hair, get laid much? And when you park your little car, do twelve fellow clowns spill out whenever you open your door?
What is your yearly make up bill?
Morpheus
This shit still going?
+508|6302|The Mitten

Flecco wrote:

It's nicknamed Debate and Serious Trolling for a reason.


I prefer Derailed and Serious Trolling myself.
I like Derailed and Shit Throwing.
EE (hats
Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5846|Toronto

ATG wrote:

Well, at least you got in there in the threads before you posted a topic telling people how to post.
Most know-it-all trolls do not take the time to become part of the community before they do that.


btw, what size are your shoes?, and is that a fake nose or do you actually have a red schnozz the size of a kiwi fruit? And that curly orange hair, get laid much? And when you park your little car, do twelve fellow clowns spill out whenever you open your door?
What is your yearly make up bill?
Lol. The answer to all of the above questions are in this short video:

http://www.pochsy.org/film_current.html?gpm=1_1#gpm1_6

It's a satire of all of the shitty corporate slogans and daily cliches.

And thanks for recognizing that I know it all .
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command

Pochsy wrote:

ATG wrote:

Well, at least you got in there in the threads before you posted a topic telling people how to post.
Most know-it-all trolls do not take the time to become part of the community before they do that.


btw, what size are your shoes?, and is that a fake nose or do you actually have a red schnozz the size of a kiwi fruit? And that curly orange hair, get laid much? And when you park your little car, do twelve fellow clowns spill out whenever you open your door?
What is your yearly make up bill?
Lol. The answer to all of the above questions are in this short video:

http://www.pochsy.org/film_current.html?gpm=1_1#gpm1_6

It's a satire of all of the shitty corporate slogans and daily cliches.

And thanks for recognizing that I know it all .
Nice video.

You are sort of cute.

pm me for sexy chat.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6968|NT, like Mick Dundee

ATG!

Pedophilia is illegal. I'll call the cops... if you don't share.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Vax
Member
+42|6154|Flyover country

Morpheus wrote:

Flecco wrote:

It's nicknamed Debate and Serious Trolling for a reason.


I prefer Derailed and Serious Trolling myself.
I like Derailed and Shit Throwing.
lol that was close to my same nickname Derailed and Shit Talking.

But I'm kiddin, there have been some decent debates here, and I like the freestyles and back and forths 

ANd there is never ANY flaming here 
 







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rdx-fx
...
+955|6894
Dumbasses & Shit Talking ?

Dumbasses & Shit-talking Trolls ?

Dementia, Schizophrenia, and Tourettes?
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7009|67.222.138.85
I believe I said somewhere that we should rename it to the Serious & Mature section.
Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5846|Toronto

rdx-fx wrote:

Dumbasses & Shit Talking ?

Dumbasses & Shit-talking Trolls ?

Dementia, Schizophrenia, and Tourettes?
Last one gets my vote. We need to petition for a forum section title change.

I just remembered this is not a democracy...
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
rdx-fx
...
+955|6894

Pochsy wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Dumbasses & Shit Talking ?

Dumbasses & Shit-talking Trolls ?

Dementia, Schizophrenia, and Tourettes?
Last one gets my vote. We need to petition for a forum section title change.

I just remembered this is not a democracy...
DaFT would also work.

Daft - (1)senseless, stupid, or foolish. (2)insane; crazy. (3) Scot. merry; playful; frolicsome.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread already in progress...
Pochsy
Artifice of Eternity
+702|5846|Toronto
I just realized I helped de-rail my own thread in D&ST on more than one occasion in a thread attempting to promote proper debate. Man I failed hard
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

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