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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090315/ap_ … ig_bonuses

This needs to stop. Now.

The Article wrote:

WASHINGTON – American International Group is giving its executives tens of millions of dollars in new bonuses even though it received a taxpayer bailout of more than $170 billion dollars.

AIG is paying out the executive bonuses to meet a Sunday deadline, but the troubled insurance giant has agreed to administration requests to restrain future payments.

The Treasury Department determined that the government did not have the legal authority to block the current payments by the company. AIG declared earlier this month that it had suffered a loss of $61.7 billion for the fourth quarter of last year, the largest corporate loss in history.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has asked that the company scale back future bonus payments where legally possible, an administration official said Saturday.

This official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said that Geithner had called AIG Chairman Edward Liddy on Wednesday to demand that Liddy renegotiate AIG's current bonus structure.

Geithner termed the current bonus structure unacceptable in view of the billions of dollars of taxpayer support the company is receiving, this official said.

In a letter to Geithner dated Saturday, Liddy informed Treasury that outside lawyers had informed the company that AIG had contractual obligations to make the bonus payments and could face lawsuits if it did not do so.

Liddy said in his letter that "quite frankly, AIG's hands are tied" although he said that in light of the company's current situation he found it "distasteful and difficult" to recommend going forward with the payments.

Liddy said the company had entered into the bonus agreements in early 2008 before AIG got into severe financial straits and was forced to obtain a government bailout last fall.

The large bulk of the payments at issue cover AIG Financial Products, the unit of the company that sold credit default swaps, the risky contracts that caused massive losses for the insurer.

A white paper prepared by the company says that AIG is contractually obligated to pay a total of about $165 million of previously awarded "retention pay" to employees in this unit by Sunday, March 15. The document says that another $55 million in retention pay has already been distributed to about 400 AIG Financial Products employees.

The company says in the paper it will work to reduce the amounts paid for 2009 and believes it can trim those payments by at least 30 percent.

Bonus programs at financial companies have come under harsh scrutiny after the government began loaning them billions of dollars to keep the institutions afloat. AIG is the largest recipient of government support in the current financial crisis.

AIG also pledged to Geithner that it would also restructure $9.6 million in bonuses scheduled to go a group that covers the top 50 executives. Liddy and six other executives have agreed to forgo bonuses.

The group of top executives getting bonuses will receive half of the $9.6 million now, with the average payment around $112,000.

This group will get another 25 percent on July 14 and the final 25 percent on September 15. But these payments will be contingent on the AIG board determining that the company is meeting the goals the government has set for dealing with the company's financial troubles.

The Obama administration has vowed to put in place reforms in the $700 billion financial rescue program in an effort to deal with growing public anger over how the program was operated during the Bush administration.

That anger has focused in part on payouts of millions of dollars in bonuses by financial firms getting taxpayer support.

In his letter, Liddy told Geithner, "We believe there will be considerably greater flexibility to reduce contractual payments in respect of 2009 and AIG intends to use its best efforts to do so."

But he also told Geithner that he felt it could be harmful to the company if the government continued to press for reductions in executive compensation.

"We cannot attract and retain the best and brightest talent to lead and staff the AIG businesses, which are now being operated principally on behalf of the American taxpayers — if employees believe their compensation is subject to continued and arbitrary adjustment by the U.S. Treasury," Liddy said.
ATG
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Article said they were bound by contracts signed before the crash.

But, if a asteroid hit their corporate head quarters I don't think anybody would be sad.
Turquoise
O Canada
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If terrorists want to gain the support of the American public, they should bomb the AIG headquarters.
FatherTed
xD
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they probably 'deserved' it.
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FatherTed wrote:

they probably 'deserved' it.
They did. They brought in 170 Billion dollars.
Diesel_dyk
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ATG wrote:

Article said they were bound by contracts signed before the crash.

But, if a asteroid hit their corporate head quarters I don't think anybody would be sad.
Agreed

They should have let AIG go into bankruptcy, then those conrtacts would have been as good as void. Instead, the govt has a new piglet on the teet and the govt seems more that happy to keep feeding it. I bet Geitner will get a big fat AIG job and gold plated jet after his tenure.
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
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I thought bounses were meant to reward people for doing a good job. Maybe they need to fire those guys and bring in some new blood.
Braddock
Agitator
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I want to see lowing's rage and bile on this issue... these guys could technically be described as freeloaders now seeing as their partying on tax payers money and yet they continue to shower themselves in bonuses while the economic world burns to the ground. I want to see lowing chastize some Capitalists for a change!

I've also read recently that AIG have spent bail-out money on a PR firm to make themselves look better in the public eye and on lobbyists to oppose amendments to the rules regarding union membership... these guys really are taking the piss at this stage.
Stingray24
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Why isn't anyone howling at the government?  They didn't place any meaningful oversight into the "bailout".  These are legal contracts that must be honored.  As soon as the government is able to alter legal contracts of private companies as they see fit the end is nigh.
Pug
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Good point Stingy
Karbin
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Stingray24 wrote:

Why isn't anyone howling at the government?  They didn't place any meaningful oversight into the "bailout".  These are legal contracts that must be honored.  As soon as the government is able to alter legal contracts of private companies as they see fit the end is nigh.
They've been doing that to the auto industry as well (breaking legal contracts) and MOST are sitting on the side lines cheering. So how dose AIG get a pass?
Freke1
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It takes skills to run companies to the ground. Those bonuses are well earned.
If You guys thought this was a somewhat fair/descent world we live in You thought wrong.
The world see in the big picture is totally screwed up.

But don't worry 20 years from now You will be sending Your sons overseas to fight another war and buying stocks again.
We never really learn do we?
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Kmar
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Was this legal obligation not disclosed before they took the handout? How stupid do we think our leaders are? Oh and btw, what kind of bs deal allows for bonuses to be paid upon utter failure? Oh yea, the same management that drove them into the ground in the first place.

So here we have our leaders who are:

A) To stupid to know beforehand that they were paying bonus's to incompetent fuckups.
B) They just don't care about the fake money our children will have to answer for.
C) Are deliberately trying to collapse the economy in order to seize control of major industries.
D) All of the above.
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Kmar
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ATG wrote:

Article said they were bound by contracts signed before the crash.

But, if a asteroid hit their corporate head quarters I don't think anybody would be sad.
Tis why bankruptcy would have been more feasible. Those legal obligations would have been killed. It's not like they performed anyways.
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Karbin
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Kmarion wrote:

Was this legal obligation not disclosed before they took the handout? How stupid do we think our leaders are? Oh and btw, what kind of bs deal allows for bonuses to be paid upon utter failure? Oh yea, the same management that drove them into the ground in the first place.

So here we have our leaders who are:

A) To stupid to know beforehand that they were paying bonus's to incompetent fuckups.
B) They just don't care about the fake money our children will have to answer for.
C) Are deliberately trying to collapse the economy in order to seize control of major industries.
D) All of the above.
D
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|6955
stupid congress...  Hey... here's a bunch of taxpayers money...  and the terms are???... nahhh use it for whatever you need....   
2 months later... We are outraged at how you are using the money... it would be funny if it weren't so sad...
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{M5}Sniper3
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As I posted in the other thread:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Congress gave the money away to AIG with no strings attached. It is no surprise that AIG payed their CEOs and Execs performance bonuses that are clearly in their contracts. And the bonuses where what, $165 Million out of the $173 Billion of the bailout? What I am pissed about is the $93 Billion out of the $173 Billion, over half of the bailout, went to Goldman Sachs and European banks.
Kmar
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{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

As I posted in the other thread:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Congress gave the money away to AIG with no strings attached. It is no surprise that AIG payed their CEOs and Execs performance bonuses that are clearly in their contracts. And the bonuses where what, $165 Million out of the $173 Billion of the bailout? What I am pissed about is the $93 Billion out of the $173 Billion, over half of the bailout, went to Goldman Sachs and European banks.
HAD to be done overnight.. couldn't afford to wait. Too big to fail. The time to act is now! .. gtfo. This is why they wanted it rushed. I personally don't think that this is some accident. And if it were it brings up an entirely new set of questions. Now Barney Frank has the fucking nerve to get on TV and pretend to be outraged?
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{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|6998|San Antonio, Texas

Kmarion wrote:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

As I posted in the other thread:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Congress gave the money away to AIG with no strings attached. It is no surprise that AIG payed their CEOs and Execs performance bonuses that are clearly in their contracts. And the bonuses where what, $165 Million out of the $173 Billion of the bailout? What I am pissed about is the $93 Billion out of the $173 Billion, over half of the bailout, went to Goldman Sachs and European banks.
HAD to be done overnight.. couldn't afford to wait. Too big to fail. The time to act is now! .. gtfo. This is why they wanted it rushed. I personally don't think that this is some accident. And if it were it brings up an entirely new set of questions. Now Barney Frank has the fucking nerve to get on TV and pretend to be outraged?
Exactly. This was done to line pockets. Not to mention to secure elections. Most of this "urgent" bailout isn't scheduled to be used until 2010 and 2012, I wonder what happens during those years...  It's just a matter of time before more people start piecing this together.
Kmar
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Time we don't have to waste unfortunately.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Catbox
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+505|6955
It's either a big payoff or severe incompetence... either scenario sucks...
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6839|132 and Bush

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

It's either a big payoff or severe incompetence... either scenario sucks...
"We have two types of politicians, the incapable and those capable of anything"
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Vax
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Now Barney Frank has the fucking nerve to get on TV and pretend to be outraged?
Obama and Reid et al are officially outraged now too

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/16/AIG.bonuses/

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= … =worldwide


Republican Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa didn't appear to be joking, however, when he spoke with Cedar Rapids, Iowa, radio station WMT.

"I would suggest the first thing that would make me feel a little better toward them [AIG executives] is if they follow the Japanese example and come before the American people and take that deep bow and say, 'I am sorry,' and then either do one of two things: resign or go commit suicide," he said.
lol 

Just was a guest on Letterman talking about this...I don't know if these guys are going to take these bonuses, if they aren't stopped somehow

Last edited by Vax (2009-03-16 21:51:13)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6839|132 and Bush

Obama wrote:

How do they justify this outrage?
How do you justify being the enabler that allowed AIG to bend the tax payer over?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|6998|San Antonio, Texas

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

It's either a big payoff or severe incompetence... either scenario sucks...

Rahm Emanuel wrote:

"You never want a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that,
it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."


Hillary Clinton wrote:

"Never Waste a Good Crisis"


Barack Obama wrote:

"discover great opportunity in the midst of great crisis."
4:47




You decide which scenario it is.

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