BF2S Forums Pathetic (Man throwing shoes at Bush gets 3 years)

CameronPoe wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Come on Cam...  Assault is assault.  Assault on a President is a bit more serious.  Your point is out of order.  -this is not pathetic.  In civilized society there are laws that carry just consequences.

No siree. Don't subscribe to anyone - not anyone - being deemed 'more important' than anyone else. I don't give a fuck if it was Jesus himself who had shoes thrown at him: first offence for a petty crime - he should be fined and perhaps givne a suspended sentence or some community service - like in any normal country. Waste of a cell imo.

Well, I'd argue that that shoe was thrown pretty hard then.  His aim was to kill the man.  Attempted murder.  Life, we'll spare him the death penalty since it was his first offence.

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The rest of the world has it's VIP's and they play by those rules.

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2009-03-12 09:22:36)

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

The man who threw his shoes at President George Bush has been sentenced to three years in prison. Disgraceful. You wouldn't even do time in any normal nation. Subservient scum.

So if you chucked something at a visiting head of state in Ireland, you wouldn't do any jail time?

You certainly would just about everywhere else in the world...if you were lucky.

If I threw a shoe at some randomer in the street would I do time - no I would not. I might get a fine or at the very worst a suspended sentence. What makes a President so special? I thought we were beyond the age of kings? The point stands - this is pathetic.

No, what is pathetic is that argument

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

The man who threw his shoes at President George Bush has been sentenced to three years in prison. Disgraceful. You wouldn't even do time in any normal nation. Subservient scum.

So if you chucked something at a visiting head of state in Ireland, you wouldn't do any jail time?

You certainly would just about everywhere else in the world...if you were lucky.

If I threw a shoe at some randomer in the street would I do time - no I would not. I might get a fine or at the very worst a suspended sentence. What makes a President so special? I thought we were beyond the age of kings? The point stands - this is pathetic.

The fact he is an elected official who makes all the really big decisions of a country perhaps? There's a reason he has an army of bodyguards. Also the reason you get a fine or suspended sentence in Ireland is because the judicial systems these days suck balls. They give killers 18 months sometimes. Assault is assault, if I threw a spoon at someone, its assault, if I spit on someone its assault. If I throw not one but two big ass boots at someone, its assault.

CameronPoe wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

No siree. Don't subscribe to anyone - not anyone - being deemed 'more important' than anyone else. I don't give a fuck if it was Jesus himself who had shoes thrown at him: first offence for a petty crime - he should be fined and perhaps givne a suspended sentence or some community service - like in any normal country. Waste of a cell imo.

Well, I'd argue that that shoe was thrown pretty hard then.  His aim was to kill the man.  Attempted murder.  Life, we'll spare him the death penalty since it was his first offence.

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The rest of the world has it's VIP's and they play by those rules.

Kill the man with a shoe thrown from a distance? And they call liberals fantasists...

A boot thrown from that distance could kill you, it could knock him over and cause him to hit his head, a sufficient impact on the head could also do damage. You can kill someone with just about anything, just because it wasn't a tapered metal cylinder flying from a gun doesn't mean it won't kill or do serious harm.

CameronPoe wrote:

Vilham wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

The man who threw his shoes at President George Bush has been sentenced to three years in prison. Disgraceful. You wouldn't even do time in any normal nation. Subservient scum.

Assault is assault. Or is it not assault because its George Bush.

Yeah great double standards there Poe.

lol. How many people charged with and found guilty of assault in the UK get let off with a slap on the wrist or a fine. Fucking tonnes. 3 years for throwing shoes at someone - ridiculous. Efficient and worthy use of prison space? lol. How about filling the jails with Al Qaeda or drug dealers, eh....?

No its better to nail drug dealers or Al Qaeda than stick them in a cell and look after them.

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2009-03-12 09:35:59)

M.O.A.B. wrote:

A boot thrown from that distance could kill you, it could knock him over and cause him to hit his head, a sufficient impact on the head could also do damage. You can kill someone with just about anything, just because it wasn't a tapered metal cylinder flying from a gun doesn't mean it won't kill or do serious harm.

You're far more likely to kill a man with your fist than with a shoe thrown from a distance. And yet people who assault people with fists as a first time offence get measured sentences in our nations. Certainly nowhere near three years.

M.O.A.B wrote:

The fact he is an elected official who makes all the really big decisions of a country perhaps? There's a reason he has an army of bodyguards. Also the reason you get a fine or suspended sentence in Ireland is because the judicial systems these days suck balls. They give killers 18 months sometimes. Assault is assault, if I threw a spoon at someone, its assault, if I spit on someone its assault. If I throw not one but two big ass boots at someone, its assault.

That's what vices and deputies are for. No-one on this planet deserves special treatment. Perhaps I'm just to much of a believer in equality of rights and an abhorrence of subservience to people who I put into office to work FOR me and get WELL PAID into it. I never said it wasn't assault (attempted assault actually). What I think is pathetic is the disproportionate sentence.

M.O.A.B wrote:

No its better to nail drug dealers or Al Qaeda than stick them in a cell and look after them.

Not a fan of modern judicial systems of 'guilty until proven innocent', courts, judges, laws, etc?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-03-12 09:45:41)

CameronPoe wrote:

M.O.A.B. wrote:

A boot thrown from that distance could kill you, it could knock him over and cause him to hit his head, a sufficient impact on the head could also do damage. You can kill someone with just about anything, just because it wasn't a tapered metal cylinder flying from a gun doesn't mean it won't kill or do serious harm.

You're far more likely to kill a man with your fist than with a shoe thrown from a distance. And yet people who assault people with fists as a first time offence get measured sentences in our nations. Certainly nowhere near three years.

He couldn't get that close so he opted for the shoe toss.  The man didn't assault anyone in our nations.  It was their laws, we should respect them.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

nope, he is a head of state, it was assault. If you think that will not draw more attention than throwing a shoe at your wife, then you are not living in the realm of reality.

Oh ok - so you are a lesser being than a head of state. He is better than you. OK, I get it. Perhaps you should prostrate yourself in front of the Obama. Somewhat ironic given your incessant Messiah charges.

I really have no idea what to say, this reasoning is so rediculous in my opinion, I can not think of a rational way to argue against it.

HE is the president of the US, so yeah assault on the president will carry more punishment than an attack on your brother. Time to get real now.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

He couldn't get that close so he opted for the shoe toss.  The man didn't assault anyone in our nations.  It was their laws, we should respect them.

Perhaps the President of Iraq should heed the giant groundswell of support for a pardon to be given? That's legal too...

Nah.  Justice has been served.

lol

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Cameron's World: 
Throwing things at public speakers and presidents is a misdemeanor.

Consequence of living in Cameron's World:
Nobody can talk in public anymore because of shit being thrown at them by anyone that disagrees.

Just like counting out the change, it is so Fing entertaining.

Ever heard of perspex? Ever heard of crowd security? Ever heard of measured legal action?

I guess you're one of the bootlicking 'Loyal To The Leader' sycophants like the rest of the drones, eh. Pathetic.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-03-12 09:50:58)

CameronPoe wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Cameron's World: 
Throwing things at public speakers and presidents is a misdemeanor.

Consequence of living in Cameron's World:
Nobody can talk in public anymore because of shit being thrown at them by anyone that disagrees.

Just like counting out the change, it is so Fing entertaining.

Ever heard of perspex? Ever heard of crowd security? Ever heard of measured legal action?

I guess you're one of the bootlicking 'Loyal To The Leader' sycophants like the rest of the drones, eh. Pathetic.

Ever hear of anarchy, commonsense, and deterrents.

I guess you're a liberal.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Ever hear of anarchy, commonsense, and deterrents.

I guess you're a liberal.

Keep licking em boots. Taste good? Why a person you elect to represent you should be subject to a special distinct set of laws is not what I thought the American way of 'equal rights and equal opportunity' was all about. Hmmm..

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I really have no idea what to say, this reasoning is so rediculous in my opinion, I can not think of a rational way to argue against it.

HE is the president of the US, so yeah assault on the president will carry more punishment than an attack on your brother. Time to get real now.

Now that's pathetic. You are less worthy than another, in your opinion. You regard certain other humans as being entitled to special treatment. It so doesn't mesh with your railing against big government attitude. Weird.

Dude. He is the President, of course he is more worthy. He is a head of state of another country. Whether we can debate about equality all day, we all know presidents get special treatments.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I really have no idea what to say, this reasoning is so rediculous in my opinion, I can not think of a rational way to argue against it.

HE is the president of the US, so yeah assault on the president will carry more punishment than an attack on your brother. Time to get real now.

Now that's pathetic. You are less worthy than another, in your opinion. You regard certain other humans as being entitled to special treatment. It so doesn't mesh with your railing against big government attitude. Weird.

lol

CameronPoe wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

In your world all you need is plexiglass and security guards, if those fail like in this case, you just fine the person $15 a throw and let the carnival begin.

Can I get that lemonaide now?

If the world was governed in the manner you see fit then I'd better invest in prison construction. Ker-ching...... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Oh noes, all I have is a $5 bill, can you make change for me?