BF2S Forums A thread for Conservative Americans

LividBovine wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

NO,  Pandering to people for their vote has killed the Republican party.  BTW did you read the OP.  This thread is not for the republicans, it is for true conservatives, of which you are not any where close.  Either is McCain.

It's not "pandering", it's reaching out to people to progress as a party and as a nation. Something you obviously are against, because you like a few others here, have your political blinders on so tight that they're keeping the blood from flowing to your brain.

How very neo-con of you though, trying to stop people from posting in a thread on an open forum. Nice! Very nice.

And you and the rest of the self proclaimed "true" conservatives are nothing of the sort. Stop making a fool out of yourself.

Please explain what the OP meant then.

I am simply someone who likes to keep his principles first and everything else second.  If I start changing my views because they are not in agreement with the masses, I am a fool.  I base my beliefs on everyhting that I know is true.  You want to challenge my principles?  You want to tell me that standing up for what you believe in is wrong?  You want to tell me it is a good idea to follow the masses?  Great idea.

Poseidon wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

It's not "pandering", it's reaching out to people to progress as a party and as a nation. Something you obviously are against, because you like a few others here, have your political blinders on so tight that they're keeping the blood from flowing to your brain.

How very neo-con of you though, trying to stop people from posting in a thread on an open forum. Nice! Very nice.

And you and the rest of the self proclaimed "true" conservatives are nothing of the sort. Stop making a fool out of yourself.

Please explain what the OP meant then.

I am simply someone who likes to keep his principles first and everything else second.  If I start changing my views because they are not in agreement with the masses, I am a fool.  I base my beliefs on everyhting that I know is true.  You want to challenge my principles?  You want to tell me that standing up for what you believe in is wrong?  You want to tell me it is a good idea to follow the masses?  Great idea.

If the OP wanted to stop "non conservatives" from posting, he should go create his own forum. Until chuy changes the name of this forum to "Sarah Palin's Mystical Wonderland", I'll keep posting.

Nobody's saying you have to change your principles, but to not reach out and work out an agreement with moderates is 1) Why you lost the election and 2) idiotic. You can't have everything your way, sorry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta … mographics

Obama won the moderate vote by quite a bit. You still think sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "Nonononono I'm right you're wrong" is going to help you? Great idea.

_{There are a couple other statistics there I find kind of funny, but I'll save that for another thread.}

LividBovine wrote:

Do you people not understand standing up for what you believe in?  Am I supposed to change my beliefs and principles to please you?  NO.

Macbeth wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

Do you people not understand standing up for what you believe in?  Am I supposed to change my beliefs and principles to please you?  NO.

No but just because you wouldn't do something don't deny other people the right to do it. That is the problem most people have with the GOP, I wouldn't get an abortion or marry a man but I wouldn't take the right away from anyone else.

Mitch wrote:

You cannot think your alone. Millions of Americans see things the way we do. But millions more are brainwashed sheep.

Macbeth wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Maybe, considering your history from the content of your post you seem like an older man who has had some military experience and is most likely from the south. Considering the period you grew up in, area, and life choices you probably grew up in a more conservative setting and the vast majority of people you met were socially moderate.

Now I'm a 18 year old male who lived his entire life in North New Jersey so the majority of people I met where socially liberal. Different periods and settings.

Regardless, everyone hates being told they are going to hell, are living a immoral lifestyle, killed their children (abortion), or are following a bullshit religion.

But the one thing I found relative among everyone, was that they all hated high taxes and supporting other people.

I'm an older man who is in the military, but grew up (and have lived) all over. Yes, my family is mostly conservative, but my wife and her family are mostly liberal. Over the years, I've grown more liberal and she's grown more conservative.

I'd say a large part of your liberalism is due to your age. There are far more young liberals than older liberals. I think it has something to do with life experience, tbh.

Regardless, the people the Republican party has somewhat alienated due to catering to the evangelical minority are those fiscally conservative, socially moderate people who occupy the right-of-center demographic that is the majority of this nation.

Shot in the dark here, you consider yourself socially moderate and fiscally conservative?

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

OP: No. Conservative Americans are too busy trying to keep their businesses afloat to participate in riots and protests.

S.Lythberg wrote:

Before any conservative party can get votes, we need to redefine the goals of the party.

Gay-hatin, science-fearin, bible-thumpin, book-burnin needs to be removed from the ideology, and instead focus on a state governed by personal responsibility and mutual respect.  We need to become the party of intelligence, stop fear mongering, and return to the well reasoned arguments that formed the party in the first place.  Parties need to adapt to survive, and it's time to adapt, the ultra right ideology is killing the party, and we have to cut them loose (maybe they'll even learn something).

There are millions of people like me who want a strong army, access to firearms, a system that rewards personal responsibility, and taxes that go toward government projects, not incompetence, but we are also scientists, sometimes atheists/agnostics, and can name several gay friends.  The republican party will only get my vote when they abandon the backwards social policy they have been preaching for far too long

Until that happens, the right wing is dead.

Macbeth wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

No but just because you wouldn't do something don't deny other people the right to do it. That is the problem most people have with the GOP, I wouldn't get an abortion or marry a man but I wouldn't take the right away from anyone else.

The argument presented was that the we should move to the middle to gain votes.  Moving to the middle means leaving some of my ideals behind.  Not going to happen.  I believe in a completely different type of government than Obama.

Never compromise even in the face of Armageddon?

nickb64 wrote:

It is incredibly difficult for most American liberals to effectively defend their points if you are able to remain calm and present the facts. We need to return to Conservative values and not go along with the things happening in Washington.

LividBovine wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

The argument presented was that the we should move to the middle to gain votes.  Moving to the middle means leaving some of my ideals behind.  Not going to happen.  I believe in a completely different type of government than Obama.

Never compromise even in the face of Armageddon?

Never compromise your principles.

Turquoise wrote:

Livid is Rorschach.