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Shot in the dark here, you consider yourself socially moderate and fiscally conservative?FEOS wrote:
I'm an older man who is in the military, but grew up (and have lived) all over. Yes, my family is mostly conservative, but my wife and her family are mostly liberal. Over the years, I've grown more liberal and she's grown more conservative.Macbeth wrote:
Maybe, considering your history from the content of your post you seem like an older man who has had some military experience and is most likely from the south. Considering the period you grew up in, area, and life choices you probably grew up in a more conservative setting and the vast majority of people you met were socially moderate.FEOS wrote:
If you change your characterization to "fiscally conservative and socially moderate" I think you've got something there.
The far-right social conservatives have a place...but it shouldn't be front and center of the Republican party.
Now I'm a 18 year old male who lived his entire life in North New Jersey so the majority of people I met where socially liberal. Different periods and settings.
Regardless, everyone hates being told they are going to hell, are living a immoral lifestyle, killed their children (abortion), or are following a bullshit religion.
But the one thing I found relative among everyone, was that they all hated high taxes and supporting other people.
I'd say a large part of your liberalism is due to your age. There are far more young liberals than older liberals. I think it has something to do with life experience, tbh.
Regardless, the people the Republican party has somewhat alienated due to catering to the evangelical minority are those fiscally conservative, socially moderate people who occupy the right-of-center demographic that is the majority of this nation.
Before any conservative party can get votes, we need to redefine the goals of the party.
Gay-hatin, science-fearin, bible-thumpin, book-burnin needs to be removed from the ideology, and instead focus on a state governed by personal responsibility and mutual respect. We need to become the party of intelligence, stop fear mongering, and return to the well reasoned arguments that formed the party in the first place. Parties need to adapt to survive, and it's time to adapt, the ultra right ideology is killing the party, and we have to cut them loose (maybe they'll even learn something).
There are millions of people like me who want a strong army, access to firearms, a system that rewards personal responsibility, and taxes that go toward government projects, not incompetence, but we are also scientists, sometimes atheists/agnostics, and can name several gay friends. The republican party will only get my vote when they abandon the backwards social policy they have been preaching for far too long
Until that happens, the right wing is dead.
Gay-hatin, science-fearin, bible-thumpin, book-burnin needs to be removed from the ideology, and instead focus on a state governed by personal responsibility and mutual respect. We need to become the party of intelligence, stop fear mongering, and return to the well reasoned arguments that formed the party in the first place. Parties need to adapt to survive, and it's time to adapt, the ultra right ideology is killing the party, and we have to cut them loose (maybe they'll even learn something).
There are millions of people like me who want a strong army, access to firearms, a system that rewards personal responsibility, and taxes that go toward government projects, not incompetence, but we are also scientists, sometimes atheists/agnostics, and can name several gay friends. The republican party will only get my vote when they abandon the backwards social policy they have been preaching for far too long
Until that happens, the right wing is dead.
I don't like to refer to my old thread about how to save america because it is when i was under the impression that the zeitgiest movie was factually correct. However dont get my oppinion wrong, i absolutly do not trust the federal government as far as i can throw them/it.
Ontopic:
A revolution.
You cannot think your alone. Millions of Americans see things the way we do. But millions more are brainwashed sheep.
The more Obama wrecks the country, the more people will get mad. Which i only hope will result in a V for Vendetta style ending.
We need people with power, like Rush and Glenn Beck to help.
You see president-elects stand up there and rant on about hope and change, but when was the last time they ran with the "Personal freedom" line?
Im excited to see how the future plays out
Ontopic:
A revolution.
You cannot think your alone. Millions of Americans see things the way we do. But millions more are brainwashed sheep.
The more Obama wrecks the country, the more people will get mad. Which i only hope will result in a V for Vendetta style ending.
We need people with power, like Rush and Glenn Beck to help.
You see president-elects stand up there and rant on about hope and change, but when was the last time they ran with the "Personal freedom" line?
Im excited to see how the future plays out
15 more years! 15 more years!
Well Mitch, you could say that people who follow Rush and Glenn are the sheep, it's a matter of perspective.Mitch wrote:
I don't like to refer to my old thread about how to save america because it is when i was under the impression that the zeitgiest movie was factually correct. However dont get my oppinion wrong, i absolutly do not trust the federal government as far as i can throw them/it.
Ontopic:
A revolution.
You cannot think your alone. Millions of Americans see things the way we do. But millions more are brainwashed sheep.
The more Obama wrecks the country, the more people will get mad. Which i only hope will result in a V for Vendetta style ending.
We need people with power, like Rush and Glenn Beck to help.
You see president-elects stand up there and rant on about hope and change, but when was the last time they ran with the "Personal freedom" line?
Im excited to see how the future plays out
I wouldn't label any follower of any politocl group as sheep, it's just people vote based on what matters to them or what they like. Some people vote based on "feelings" and if you think about it humans decide who we want to have sex with based on "feelings."
Obama will wreck the country in some way, some people will never be happy no matter what happens. You could look at any President and say he wrecked something.
Maybe I'm nitpicking.
Every leadership has its flawsMacbeth wrote:
Well Mitch, you could say that people who follow Rush and Glenn are the sheep, it's a matter of perspective.Mitch wrote:
I don't like to refer to my old thread about how to save america because it is when i was under the impression that the zeitgiest movie was factually correct. However dont get my oppinion wrong, i absolutly do not trust the federal government as far as i can throw them/it.
Ontopic:
A revolution.
You cannot think your alone. Millions of Americans see things the way we do. But millions more are brainwashed sheep.
The more Obama wrecks the country, the more people will get mad. Which i only hope will result in a V for Vendetta style ending.
We need people with power, like Rush and Glenn Beck to help.
You see president-elects stand up there and rant on about hope and change, but when was the last time they ran with the "Personal freedom" line?
Im excited to see how the future plays out
I wouldn't label any follower of any politocl group as sheep, it's just people vote based on what matters to them or what they like. Some people vote based on "feelings" and if you think about it humans decide who we want to have sex with based on "feelings."
Obama will wreck the country in some way, some people will never be happy no matter what happens. You could look at any President and say he wrecked something.
Maybe I'm nitpicking.
but the first step to saving America is to seal Rush and Beck in a concrete vault
I like this man. He knows his shit.S.Lythberg wrote:
Before any conservative party can get votes, we need to redefine the goals of the party.
Gay-hatin, science-fearin, bible-thumpin, book-burnin needs to be removed from the ideology, and instead focus on a state governed by personal responsibility and mutual respect. We need to become the party of intelligence, stop fear mongering, and return to the well reasoned arguments that formed the party in the first place. Parties need to adapt to survive, and it's time to adapt, the ultra right ideology is killing the party, and we have to cut them loose (maybe they'll even learn something).
There are millions of people like me who want a strong army, access to firearms, a system that rewards personal responsibility, and taxes that go toward government projects, not incompetence, but we are also scientists, sometimes atheists/agnostics, and can name several gay friends. The republican party will only get my vote when they abandon the backwards social policy they have been preaching for far too long
Until that happens, the right wing is dead.
I have a lot of conservative aspects in my political swayings. I'm pro death penalty, pro gun rights, pro military, etc....but I just can't stand the backwards, anti-progressive policies that the neo-cons and extreme Christians have inserted into the right. It's horrifying. Abraham Lincoln would be ashamed.
I kind of wish Bloomberg would run in 2012 or 2016. Although I think his socially liberal ideas wouldn't go over so well with the republican party.
1) You never bitched about the government until Obama got into office. That, coupled with your incessant racist posts, completely kills any credibility you possibly could have had.Mitch wrote:
I don't like to refer to my old thread about how to save america because it is when i was under the impression that the zeitgiest movie was factually correct. However dont get my oppinion wrong, i absolutly do not trust the federal government as far as i can throw them/it.
Ontopic:
A revolution.
You cannot think your alone. Millions of Americans see things the way we do. But millions more are brainwashed sheep.
The more Obama wrecks the country, the more people will get mad. Which i only hope will result in a V for Vendetta style ending.
We need people with power, like Rush and Glenn Beck to help.
You see president-elects stand up there and rant on about hope and change, but when was the last time they ran with the "Personal freedom" line?
Im excited to see how the future plays out
2) We need to destroy Rush Limbaugh in order for anything to progress. Anyone who hopes for a president's economic policies to fail in a time of a deep recession needs to be shot.
3) He's been in office 8 weeks and he's already wrecked the country? Where were you the last 8 years? Oh right, Bush wasn't a darkie. You wouldn't and didn't have an excuse to say anything about him.
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The GOP needs to move more towards centre and take up the middle ground where Democrat support is the weakest.
The far right of the party alienates middle voters, and that is what the Republican party is more commonly associated with.
The far right of the party alienates middle voters, and that is what the Republican party is more commonly associated with.
But this is a thread for Conservative Americans, so:S.Lythberg wrote:
Gay-hatin, science-fearin, bible-thumpin, book-burnin needs to be removed from the ideology, and instead focus on a state governed by personal responsibility and mutual respect.
I wonder if it really would matter though, the ultra right would rather crucify themselves than vote democrat, so the repubs could probably court the "lesser of two evils" vote out of most of them.Poseidon wrote:
I like this man. He knows his shit.
I have a lot of conservative aspects in my political swayings. I'm pro death penalty, pro gun rights, pro military, etc....but I just can't stand the backwards, anti-progressive policies that the neo-cons and extreme Christians have inserted into the right. It's horrifying. Abraham Lincoln would be ashamed.
I kind of wish Bloomberg would run in 2012 or 2016. Although I think his socially liberal ideas wouldn't go over so well with the republican party.
I'm telling you man. Bloomberg in 2012. So what if he'll be 71?S.Lythberg wrote:
I wonder if it really would matter though, the ultra right would rather crucify themselves than vote democrat, so the repubs could probably court the "lesser of two evils" vote out of most of them.Poseidon wrote:
I like this man. He knows his shit.
I have a lot of conservative aspects in my political swayings. I'm pro death penalty, pro gun rights, pro military, etc....but I just can't stand the backwards, anti-progressive policies that the neo-cons and extreme Christians have inserted into the right. It's horrifying. Abraham Lincoln would be ashamed.
I kind of wish Bloomberg would run in 2012 or 2016. Although I think his socially liberal ideas wouldn't go over so well with the republican party.
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We'll have to see how hard the right tries to hijack him like they hijacked McCainPoseidon wrote:
I'm telling you man. Bloomberg in 2012. So what if he'll be 71?S.Lythberg wrote:
I wonder if it really would matter though, the ultra right would rather crucify themselves than vote democrat, so the repubs could probably court the "lesser of two evils" vote out of most of them.Poseidon wrote:
I like this man. He knows his shit.
I have a lot of conservative aspects in my political swayings. I'm pro death penalty, pro gun rights, pro military, etc....but I just can't stand the backwards, anti-progressive policies that the neo-cons and extreme Christians have inserted into the right. It's horrifying. Abraham Lincoln would be ashamed.
I kind of wish Bloomberg would run in 2012 or 2016. Although I think his socially liberal ideas wouldn't go over so well with the republican party.
While it is true a sheep is a matter of perspective - a sheep who doesn't look at fact and history is a sheep who believed somehow this time obamas tired liberal tactics would work.Macbeth wrote:
Well Mitch, you could say that people who follow Rush and Glenn are the sheep, it's a matter of perspective.Mitch wrote:
I don't like to refer to my old thread about how to save america because it is when i was under the impression that the zeitgiest movie was factually correct. However dont get my oppinion wrong, i absolutly do not trust the federal government as far as i can throw them/it.
Ontopic:
A revolution.
You cannot think your alone. Millions of Americans see things the way we do. But millions more are brainwashed sheep.
The more Obama wrecks the country, the more people will get mad. Which i only hope will result in a V for Vendetta style ending.
We need people with power, like Rush and Glenn Beck to help.
You see president-elects stand up there and rant on about hope and change, but when was the last time they ran with the "Personal freedom" line?
Im excited to see how the future plays out
I wouldn't label any follower of any politocl group as sheep, it's just people vote based on what matters to them or what they like. Some people vote based on "feelings" and if you think about it humans decide who we want to have sex with based on "feelings."
Obama will wreck the country in some way, some people will never be happy no matter what happens. You could look at any President and say he wrecked something.
Maybe I'm nitpicking.
What i believe in lands me closest to Libertarian/Conservative.
15 more years! 15 more years!
Ah, that's true as well...though he's not exactly swayed too easily. You'll have to ask cowami, he's got more experience under Bloomberg's rule than I do (see: none).S.Lythberg wrote:
We'll have to see how hard the right tries to hijack him like they hijacked McCainPoseidon wrote:
I'm telling you man. Bloomberg in 2012. So what if he'll be 71?S.Lythberg wrote:
I wonder if it really would matter though, the ultra right would rather crucify themselves than vote democrat, so the repubs could probably court the "lesser of two evils" vote out of most of them.
Chuck Hagel could be another choice.
Get out of our thread you half-breed. This is for Conservatives. Not the confused.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
^^ Prime example of someone who's killing(/killed) the Republican party, Lythberg.
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NO, Pandering to people for their vote has killed the Republican party. BTW did you read the OP. This thread is not for the republicans, it is for true conservatives, of which you are not any where close. Either is McCain.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
I'm a true conservative; I think we should reestablish the monarchy system and go back to feudalism.LividBovine wrote:
NO, Pandering to people for their vote has killed the Republican party. BTW did you read the OP. This thread is not for the republicans, it is for true conservatives, of which you are not any where close. Either is McCain.
It's not "pandering", it's reaching out to people to progress as a party and as a nation. Something you obviously are against, because you like a few others here, have your political blinders on so tight that they're keeping the blood from flowing to your brain.LividBovine wrote:
NO, Pandering to people for their vote has killed the Republican party. BTW did you read the OP. This thread is not for the republicans, it is for true conservatives, of which you are not any where close. Either is McCain.
How very neo-con of you though, trying to stop people from posting in a thread on an open forum. Nice! Very nice.
And you and the rest of the self proclaimed "true" conservatives are nothing of the sort. Stop making a fool out of yourself.
Based on some of your posts, you are not a true conservative. You are still trying to figure out what you are, and that is good.Macbeth wrote:
I'm a true conservative; I think we should reestablish the monarchy system and go back to feudalism.LividBovine wrote:
NO, Pandering to people for their vote has killed the Republican party. BTW did you read the OP. This thread is not for the republicans, it is for true conservatives, of which you are not any where close. Either is McCain.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
What is a "true conservative"?
Long, long gone.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
What is a "true conservative"?
You forgot to bring back slavery.Macbeth wrote:
I'm a true conservative; I think we should reestablish the monarchy system and go back to feudalism.LividBovine wrote:
NO, Pandering to people for their vote has killed the Republican party. BTW did you read the OP. This thread is not for the republicans, it is for true conservatives, of which you are not any where close. Either is McCain.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Ah how could I forget slavery, might as well throw in witch hunting while I'm at it.Flecco wrote:
You forgot to bring back slavery.Macbeth wrote:
I'm a true conservative; I think we should reestablish the monarchy system and go back to feudalism.LividBovine wrote:
NO, Pandering to people for their vote has killed the Republican party. BTW did you read the OP. This thread is not for the republicans, it is for true conservatives, of which you are not any where close. Either is McCain.
Please explain what the OP meant then.Poseidon wrote:
It's not "pandering", it's reaching out to people to progress as a party and as a nation. Something you obviously are against, because you like a few others here, have your political blinders on so tight that they're keeping the blood from flowing to your brain.LividBovine wrote:
NO, Pandering to people for their vote has killed the Republican party. BTW did you read the OP. This thread is not for the republicans, it is for true conservatives, of which you are not any where close. Either is McCain.
How very neo-con of you though, trying to stop people from posting in a thread on an open forum. Nice! Very nice.
And you and the rest of the self proclaimed "true" conservatives are nothing of the sort. Stop making a fool out of yourself.
I am simply someone who likes to keep his principles first and everything else second. If I start changing my views because they are not in agreement with the masses, I am a fool. I base my beliefs on everyhting that I know is true. You want to challenge my principles? You want to tell me that standing up for what you believe in is wrong? You want to tell me it is a good idea to follow the masses? Great idea.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Macbeth wrote:
I'm a true conservative; I think we should reestablish the monarchy system and go back to feudalism.LividBovine wrote:
NO, Pandering to people for their vote has killed the Republican party. BTW did you read the OP. This thread is not for the republicans, it is for true conservatives, of which you are not any where close. Either is McCain.
this is better