BF2S Forums "Dear American Liberals" a letter from a law student.

Bradt3hleader wrote:

Democrates and liberals are going to slowly kill this country with welfare debts and so many darn programs...

Vote Limbaugh in 2012

Perhaps you should look at history. What happened around the time of FDR and the new deal? The bolshevik revolution. Do you know why those people revolted. My grandfather could have told you why. He moved from there around 1900, the people were basically slaves to the czar, and there were people on the fields with whips. In fact, slav = slave. Whats the lesson from that, when things are really bad and the Czar was slow to reform the system the people rose up and killed his ass. My grandfather moved before that because he saw that the communists were no better.

Now, what happened during the last depression in 1929. We had a era of almost total laisse faire economics from 1880s to 1929. What we got was a highly unstable market that collapsed. The conservatives fought for slower reforms and in fact there are stories that the ultra rich even planned a coup against FDR. In spite of that FDR plans brought forward a welfare state that created a middle ground and permitted the "wage slaves" to live their lives (creation of the middle class), and the rich were left to enjoy their riches. Not a utopia, but an uneasy peace, unlike what happened to the Russian Czar.

Todays economic clooapse started with Reaganomics and the attempt to dismantle the FDR type system. This time it only took 25 years for the collapse. What Obama is trying to do is to keep the peace between rich and poor. If you think that that is destroying this country, then I would look to what happened to the Russian Czar and ask if you think that is a better result. By the way there was never a golden age of laisse faire economics, we have only ever experienced greedy wealth followed by utter collapse when we have followed that path.

What is bringing this country to the brink of destruction is the fact that moronic people have forgotten their history and you know what they say if you forget your hisotry then you are doomed to repeat it. If we were to follow the low tax regime to its end where we start cutting all social spending to try and prop up the live styles of the rich while the countries economy collapses, we will start to look like Russia in 1900. And we know where that path would lead us. Its the rich that want to stiffle change at the expense of ruining this country.

I think its better to change paths before we hit that dead end, don't you?

EDIT: it just occurred to me that when the Soviet Union fell, that the ultra rich here might have felt that the Bolshevik danger had finally gone away and that might have emboldened them to try this FDR counter revolution starting with Reganomics. We might actually be in the midst of an economic coup? or in the middle of an economic coup that has failed? Now that's food for thought.

Last edited by Diesel_dyk (2009-03-07 13:27:23)

lowing wrote:

Actually it wasn't a chain mail, I found while surfing, I do not do chain mail, never have, not once.

Any chance you wish to comment on the contents instead of where you think it came from? any of you?

I like the premise, of it. Sure we will be a divided nation, and no longer a union, but it is better to cut off the gangrenous limb then let the patient die ( applies to whatever your political point of view).

Now here is the question, IF we were to divide the country, liberal take what is in their interests, and the conservatives take what is in theirs, which country do you think will survive and prosper? DO you honestly think a welfare state will survive, without the achievers? Cuz I am pretty sure the achievers will survive with out the entitlement crowd.

Ah jeeze i never knew that conservatives were the only "achievers" in America. maybe the south should reintroduce slavery so they can "achieve" again.

nickb64 wrote:

Karbin wrote:

As for the ACLU.....
The neo-cons do the same with their version of "extreme".
Use the example you stated. The LAW is the separation of church and state. Else the is no freedom of religion. With your statement you would place one Faith over others. You can't have it both ways.

What do you consider to be the meaning of the Separation of Church and State? The original intent was to keep the State out of the Church's business and prevent the persecution of religious groups by the government. This has been distorted to be taken as an intention for the Church to not be allowed to have a political preference. That IS NOT the way the Founders of the United States intended for it to be.

It was meant to keep the State out of the Church's business AND the Church out of the States. As well as prevent persecution of religious groups.
Or as DIESEL_dyk said, much better then I could:

"The socialist social conservatives are always treating the constitution as an inconvenient truth trying to pick and choose the passages that are convenient and purposefully misinterpreting the ones they don't like. The push for govt to be guided by a homogenous religious belief is the same as establishment of religion. No ifs ands or buts about it. These groups hate groups like the ACLU because they believe that if they live in a enclave where the population in total constitutes a homogenous majority of religious belief that they should somehow be exempt from the constitution which is the supreme law of the land."

Remember that once upon a time, the Church would decide who was fit, in their eyes, to lead and would make Holy war on those that did not obey

Last edited by Karbin (2009-03-07 17:11:02)

AussieReaper wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

DonFck wrote:

You go, nazi boy!

Forcing people to provide healthcare for you sounds a little more naziesque.

Forcing people to provide healthcare for you when you are dying?

Geez, I didn't realise that's what the Nazis were doing. Forcing people to provide healthcare.

Wait, no they weren't. They were forcing minorities to not have medical care.

Fascism.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have healthcare. But, it is a privilege and never a right.

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Forcing people to provide healthcare for you sounds a little more naziesque.

Forcing people to provide healthcare for you when you are dying?

Geez, I didn't realise that's what the Nazis were doing. Forcing people to provide healthcare.

Wait, no they weren't. They were forcing minorities to not have medical care.

Fascism.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have healthcare. But, it is a privilege and never a right.

Theres this other nice little thing some people have called compassion. You know, like helping people, especially sick and dying people

Turquoise wrote:

Bradt3hleader wrote:

Vote Limbaugh in 2012

You're insane.  Supporting certain Republicans is one thing, but thinking a radio talk show host would make a good President is just fucking stupid.

I'm pretty sure he was being facetious, Turq... lol

At least, I pray he was. Anyone who hopes for any presidents economic policies to fail, especially nowadays, should be exiled by the American public.

Last edited by Poseidon (2009-03-07 21:40:09)

Poseidon wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Bradt3hleader wrote:

Vote Limbaugh in 2012

You're insane.  Supporting certain Republicans is one thing, but thinking a radio talk show host would make a good President is just fucking stupid.

I'm pretty sure he was being facetious, Turq... lol

At least, I pray he was. Anyone who hopes for any presidents economic policies to fail, especially nowadays, should be exiled by the American public.

Sorry...  I just finished watching the Watchmen (since I'm the one watching the Watchmen  ) and my sense of humor has been Rorshached.

nickb64 wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

You're insane.  Supporting certain Republicans is one thing, but thinking a radio talk show host would make a good President is just fucking stupid.

I'm pretty sure he was being facetious, Turq... lol

At least, I pray he was. Anyone who hopes for any presidents economic policies to fail, especially nowadays, should be exiled by the American public.

I agree with the hope for these crazies economic policy to fail, there is no sign of any help from the idea of the stimulus, as the market has continued to plummet. These policies are not what made America great or where it's future greatness will come from. I do not want the economy to fail, just these EPIC FAIL economic policies of Mr. Obama.

Two birds with one stone, eh? You get to claim incompetence in four years time, never mind the hypocrisy.

oug wrote:

lol @ OP!!! So the homeless are the liberals' fault yes? LOL

Healthcare a privilege, not a right omg nice one. This is what your doctor is gonna say when you discover that the operation needed to remove your fucking cancer is not included in your privileged healthcare plan.

Also how come Scientology or any form of religion for that matter is adjacent to left-wing ideology I will never understand. Fuck you, keep all of them. And stuff your judeo-christian values of invading whoever smears your "way of life" up your fat asses.

And frankly fuck the assholes who sit and compose this bullshit. Clearly they lack the knowledge to discuss and the patience to learn. Fucking monkeys.

LOL, am I the only one that appreciates the hypocrisy of this post?

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

lowing wrote:

Actually it wasn't a chain mail, I found while surfing, I do not do chain mail, never have, not once.

Any chance you wish to comment on the contents instead of where you think it came from? any of you?

I like the premise, of it. Sure we will be a divided nation, and no longer a union, but it is better to cut off the gangrenous limb then let the patient die ( applies to whatever your political point of view).

Now here is the question, IF we were to divide the country, liberal take what is in their interests, and the conservatives take what is in theirs, which country do you think will survive and prosper? DO you honestly think a welfare state will survive, without the achievers? Cuz I am pretty sure the achievers will survive with out the entitlement crowd.

Ah jeeze i never knew that conservatives were the only "achievers" in America. maybe the south should reintroduce slavery so they can "achieve" again.

Already covered who the liberal achievers are, politicians, celebrities, college professors, and the poor.

politicans immuned to their own laws
celebrities live in fantasyland
college professor live in a sterile classroom with no concept of anything real world out side of it. They build their own little country inside their classrooms where they are the dictator and the law. Again a fantasyland and not real world. No street cred whatsoever.
and the poor are the recipients of all of this "free" stuff.

So yeah basically, liberals are made up of those not living in the real world.

Last edited by lowing (2009-03-08 05:18:45)

AussieReaper wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Fascism.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have healthcare. But, it is a privilege and never a right.

Saying it is a privilege is essentially saying people shouldn't have healthcare unless they are privileged.

So what do you consider privileged? The right colour skin, bank balance?

Health care for those who deserve it simply by the requisite that they are sick makes health care a right.

Look, the Consitution does not list healthcare as a basic right in our country, hence the govt. should not be involved in it. In fact it is scary.

Since govt. involvement in anything has done nothing except create fraud waste and abuse and inefficiency.

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

As far as the ACLU, this is your ACLU working hard for its members http://www.breitbart.tv/html/290393.html

This is your beloved ACLU http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/stokjok/Founders.html

Oh wow, an angelfire website that anyone can create (and in this case has). That's rich. And your other source? Yeah, talks about some Execs taking a holiday. That's really some damning evidence.

Any chance, EVER, that you plan on arguing against the content of a source instead of the source itself? Please argue that the information is wrong for once, or can you not?


Ummmmmm the ACLU execs are doing the same thing that you are bitching about. Ya know kinda like Peloci jetting off to LA on her private taxpayer funded 757 while bashing private jets for everyone else.

DonFck wrote:

lowing wrote:

Already covered who the liberal achievers are, politicians, celebrities, college professors, and the poor.

politicans immuned to their own laws

So you claim that E.g. a successful multi-million business owner cannot be a liberal nor a democrat?

The amount of fail in that sentence is astounding. Somewhere a Darwinist just died.

Never said CAN NOT be, the intent, was probably ISN'T.

The vast majority of business owners I am sure do not approve of Obama and his socialist agenda.