Truly ignorance is bliss here.
No, the Americans would fire on the British a while, but only cos they mistook them for a group of unarmed French soldiers. Then they'd all make up and head off to the pub.Major_Spittle wrote:
6. The only soldiers left would be the English, but they would just head out to the Pubs with the Americans so they could play some Pool and exchange Montey Python jokes. (I don't think you would find any Americans willing to fire upon the British and vice versa).
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how do you know who's a bad guy or who isnt? in reality they dont live in secret bunkers.. You cant defeat gorrilla warfare on their turf in an urban enviroment like that. i give up,Renegade2k9 wrote:
He does have a point, if they were all dead then how would they continue to cause problems? Though bombing them would never work they would just hide underground. The only way to wipe them out is with nukes, but then the wind would blow the radiation and we would all suffer. Peace would be nice but it is just practically impossible.Major_Spittle wrote:
If you bomb long enough they all die and there is less of them and the ones that are left just live in a bombed out shit hole with nothing. This in turn makes them all immigrate to liberal countries in Europe to destroy their cultures and society. Look at France, soon the infidels in France will be killed by an invasion from the inside, America can just sit back and watch because it has no enemy to defend France from because they will all be French citizens. Viva La Islam!!!!!!coldtoast wrote:
you cant solve problems with terrorism by bombing countries, it makes more people into terrorists. Have to get to the source of the problem. Hearts and minds- to be honest i dont know what the solution is - or even if there is one , but bombing innocent people isnt one of them. non existant threat being phantom weapons of mass destruction which were the reason for the invasion. weapons that iran may well be making or not, eggs in the wrong basket? who knows.........
Please note, I do not hate the French, Just their leaders and media. I hope France becomes more conservative and does not continue down its path of socialism, same with the U.S.......
iraq is less stable then before the invasion, recent attacks were because of the seeming injustice of it
and since the invasion other threats have emerged, your probly less safe now then you were before
who knows............
Well that's the whole problem you don't know who is bad, good, or neutral. This is why bombing them to dust is the only way it could work. They have the advantage.
Yup, that sounds like the strategy(?) used in Fallujah. And you wonder why they hate Americans.Renegade2k9 wrote:
Well that's the whole problem you don't know who is bad, good, or neutral. This is why bombing them to dust is the only way it could work. They have the advantage.
Well yea, they are our enemy and vise versa. It's only natural hate exist between us and them. I even hate them.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Yup, that sounds like the strategy(?) used in Fallujah. And you wonder why they hate Americans.Renegade2k9 wrote:
Well that's the whole problem you don't know who is bad, good, or neutral. This is why bombing them to dust is the only way it could work. They have the advantage.
So how can anything you do be in their best interests? Freeing the Iraqi people, indeed. Sickening.Renegade2k9 wrote:
Well yea, they are our enemy and vise versa. It's only natural hate exist between us and them. I even hate them.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Yup, that sounds like the strategy(?) used in Fallujah. And you wonder why they hate Americans.Renegade2k9 wrote:
Well that's the whole problem you don't know who is bad, good, or neutral. This is why bombing them to dust is the only way it could work. They have the advantage.
So you saying we are only killing them? We are helping their people as much as we can. What is sicking is your view of the United States.
No, I am saying that you actually agreed that bombing the people of Iraq to dust is the only way peace could work, because you can't tell who is friend, neutral or enemy. I said this sounded reminiscent of the tactics used in the Fallujah siege, and that this might cause Iraqi people to hate Americans. Then a few posts later stated that you expect this and you hate them back. Why don't you have a look and see, it's all up there in grey and white. I'm saying if you really hate the people of Iraq then you cannot claim to be helping them. You do understand what hate is, right:Renegade2k9 wrote:
So you saying we are only killing them? We are helping their people as much as we can. What is sicking is your view of the United States.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Hate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate
I have nothing against the good people of the United States, most of the didn't vote to reelect Bush, and those that did made their choice based on the information they were provided with. I don't hate them for it, I am just opposed to the view that he is deep down a good person with everyones best interests at heart. If that was the case wouldn't he be passing tax cuts for those that need them, not just the super-rich? Wouldn't he be looking to the problems in America and making serious efforts to improve education and health care for those that need it?
You still haven't told me how you can hate someone and help them at the same time? When you hate someone you want to harm them. With friends like these, eh?
And tell me, which part of my view of the United States is so sickening? That they have a corrupt president? That the government thinks that they have the right to pick and choose to help some people (who happen to have oil) yet ignore others with equal if not greater need? That their army was sent to Iraq to get rid of chemical weapons so that an evil dictator couldn't harm anyone with them, yet they then deployed chemical weapons on residences suspected to contain a few extremists and burned women and children to death in the process with White Phosphorous and MK77 napalm bombs in Fallujah? Which part of my view do you find most sickening, then?
What really sickens you is that not everyone thinks the way you do. I am sickened because you (personally you, not the whole American people, you do not speak for all of them) act as though hating and killing your enemies is the only way that peace can happen in Iraq, when really by doing so you just create more enemies and so the hatred and violence continues to propagate. You are sickened because you are suffering the sickness of hatred.
And now look, another thread has been hijacked with exactly the same theme as x amount of others. Apologies to those trying to keep things on topic.
9000+ civilians have been killed in the WOT.
So in response to 3000 people dying, you decided to dish out 3 times as much!
USA!
So in response to 3000 people dying, you decided to dish out 3 times as much!
USA!
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Trust me dude, its more than 9000+ its like 35000+
here's the body count
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
Um, you do know that the majority of those civilian casualties were caused by the Iraqi insurgents, and not by US troops, right?Spark wrote:
9000+ civilians have been killed in the WOT.
So in response to 3000 people dying, you decided to dish out 3 times as much!
USA!
I am aware that most civilian casualties are inflicted due to the power struggles occurring since Saddam was overthrown. But do you actually know how many civilian deaths were caused by US troops? I cannot find an official estimate on any US government sites.
Regardless of the civilian deaths caused in Iraq, it is alleged that were an estimated 3,000-3,400 civilian deaths as a direct result of US Aerial Bombing in Afghanistan:
http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm
But of course there was never an official estimate, because some life doesn't appear to be worth protecting or counting. What do they say about these independent reports in the mainstream media? "The report cannot be independently verified."
Regardless of the civilian deaths caused in Iraq, it is alleged that were an estimated 3,000-3,400 civilian deaths as a direct result of US Aerial Bombing in Afghanistan:
http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm
But of course there was never an official estimate, because some life doesn't appear to be worth protecting or counting. What do they say about these independent reports in the mainstream media? "The report cannot be independently verified."
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That's cute. If you want to call a guy running into a crowd of Iraqis (without an American in sight) and blowing himself up a 'power struggle'...be my guest. Frankly, I call that an act of terrorism. BTW, I don't call it terrorism when they target US forces...I call that combat.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
I am aware that most civilian casualties are inflicted due to the power struggles occurring since Saddam was overthrown.
Don't actually know, but I suspect that it is on the order of 3-5 thousand, the vast majority from the first six months of the conflict.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
But do you actually know how many civilian deaths were caused by US troops? I cannot find an official estimate on any US government sites.
Sounds about rightUnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Regardless of the civilian deaths caused in Iraq, it is alleged that were an estimated 3,000-3,400 civilian deaths as a direct result of US Aerial Bombing in Afghanistan
Needlessly Inflammatory. You don't suspect that it might be that, because of the nature of combat, it isn't wise to go around asking: "Hi, we dropped some bombs here yesterday, and just wanted to ask how many of your neighbors we atomized?"UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
But of course there was never an official estimate, because some life doesn't appear to be worth protecting or counting. What do they say about these independent reports in the mainstream media? "The report cannot be independently verified."
Common sense is your friend.
This "Letter of Apology" was written by Lieutenant General Chuck Pitman, US Marine Corps, Retired:
For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue. On the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.
I humbly offer my opinion here:
I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).
I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.
I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.
I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships.
I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.
I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.
I am sorry that Yassar Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and high-jacked the Palestinian "cause."
I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.
I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems.
I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).
I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered.
I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death.
I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise."
I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate targets.
I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.
I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.
I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.
I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.
I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site."
I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - one of our Holy Sites.
I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, etc....etc!
I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa.
America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those responsible because that is what we do.
We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on. That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.
Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated?
Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujahans.
If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long wait! You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins.
Chuck Pitman
Lieutenant General, USMC
For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue. On the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.
I humbly offer my opinion here:
I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).
I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.
I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.
I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships.
I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.
I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.
I am sorry that Yassar Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and high-jacked the Palestinian "cause."
I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.
I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems.
I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).
I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered.
I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death.
I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise."
I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate targets.
I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.
I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.
I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.
I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.
I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site."
I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - one of our Holy Sites.
I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, etc....etc!
I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa.
America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those responsible because that is what we do.
We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on. That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.
Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated?
Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujahans.
If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long wait! You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins.
Chuck Pitman
Lieutenant General, USMC
I feel power struggle implies an internal conflict between groups within Iraq. Terrorism, coertion, intimidation and destruction of other groups within Iraq is a power struggle. Is terrorism not a form of power struggle?whittsend wrote:
That's cute. If you want to call a guy running into a crowd of Iraqis (without an American in sight) and blowing himself up a 'power struggle'...be my guest. Frankly, I call that an act of terrorism. BTW, I don't call it terrorism when they target US forces...I call that combat.
'those accused of being "terrorists" rarely identify themselves as such, and instead typically use terms that refer to their ideological or ethnic struggle, such as: separatist, freedom fighter, liberator, militant, paramilitary, guerrilla (from Spanish "small war"), rebel, jihadi or mujaheddin (both meaning "struggler"), or fedayeen ("prepared for martyrdom").'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
An ideological or ethnic struggle sounds like a power struggle to me, what would you call it?
Fair enough.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
I feel power struggle implies an internal conflict between groups within Iraq. Terrorism, coertion, intimidation and destruction of other groups within Iraq is a power struggle. Is terrorism not a form of power struggle?whittsend wrote:
That's cute. If you want to call a guy running into a crowd of Iraqis (without an American in sight) and blowing himself up a 'power struggle'...be my guest. Frankly, I call that an act of terrorism. BTW, I don't call it terrorism when they target US forces...I call that combat.
To me, 'Power Struggle' implies a level of legitimacy that I don't think should be attributed to the insurgents. I consider 'terrorist' a better term for them because they kill innocent civilians in the pursuit of their goals (their justifications and self-stylings concern me not at all).UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
An ideological or ethnic struggle sounds like a power struggle to me, what would you call it?
In any case, that perception is subjective, and I don't want to get into a battle over semantics. I see your point, and I apologize for making my statement in the manner I did.
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these bastards arent trying to gain any kind of control in Iraq, they are just trying to cause enough chaos for the US to leave. There are hundreds of terrorist groups without anykind of organization or unity that simply wanna make a headline to see how many civilians they will kill.
They kill Americans while many try to help them, that is sicking and this is why I hate them. If you hate Bush fine whatever I can give a dam. What really makes me sick though is you personally, you live in a country that has committed several terrible acts in the past and you got the nerve to criticize us. You act like what your country done was a lie or never happened. The other thing that makes me sick of you is that you think you are superior and have us all figured out. But your right I don't talk for all the American people I speak my own opinion. Don't tell me what I think either.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
No, I am saying that you actually agreed that bombing the people of Iraq to dust is the only way peace could work, because you can't tell who is friend, neutral or enemy. I said this sounded reminiscent of the tactics used in the Fallujah siege, and that this might cause Iraqi people to hate Americans. Then a few posts later stated that you expect this and you hate them back. Why don't you have a look and see, it's all up there in grey and white. I'm saying if you really hate the people of Iraq then you cannot claim to be helping them. You do understand what hate is, right:Renegade2k9 wrote:
So you saying we are only killing them? We are helping their people as much as we can. What is sicking is your view of the United States.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Hate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate
I have nothing against the good people of the United States, most of the didn't vote to reelect Bush, and those that did made their choice based on the information they were provided with. I don't hate them for it, I am just opposed to the view that he is deep down a good person with everyones best interests at heart. If that was the case wouldn't he be passing tax cuts for those that need them, not just the super-rich? Wouldn't he be looking to the problems in America and making serious efforts to improve education and health care for those that need it?
You still haven't told me how you can hate someone and help them at the same time? When you hate someone you want to harm them. With friends like these, eh?
And tell me, which part of my view of the United States is so sickening? That they have a corrupt president? That the government thinks that they have the right to pick and choose to help some people (who happen to have oil) yet ignore others with equal if not greater need? That their army was sent to Iraq to get rid of chemical weapons so that an evil dictator couldn't harm anyone with them, yet they then deployed chemical weapons on residences suspected to contain a few extremists and burned women and children to death in the process with White Phosphorous and MK77 napalm bombs in Fallujah? Which part of my view do you find most sickening, then?
What really sickens you is that not everyone thinks the way you do. I am sickened because you (personally you, not the whole American people, you do not speak for all of them) act as though hating and killing your enemies is the only way that peace can happen in Iraq, when really by doing so you just create more enemies and so the hatred and violence continues to propagate. You are sickened because you are suffering the sickness of hatred.
And now look, another thread has been hijacked with exactly the same theme as x amount of others. Apologies to those trying to keep things on topic.
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I didn't tell you what you thought, only recalled what you said. If you are saying I've misunderstood or misrepresented your views, please clarify. If you mean when I said "You are sickened because you are suffering the sickness of hatred," then this is my opinion, not a statement of what I think you believe.
I am just as critical of my own country:
The third world debt is exploitation and should never have been allowed to get to what it is and we should not continue to profit from the suffering in these countries.
Slavery was wrong and nothing can erase this past. I believe that since slave labour and exploitation was used to found an Empire we should be the ones in debt to the so called 'third world.'
Joining America in an illegal invasion was wrong, plain wrong and I want a public inquiry into how this could be allowed to happen without UN backing.
The brutal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes in a station which I used every day for years was wrong, plain wrong. There was no warning, no threat, and an innocent man was pinned down and shot repeatedly in the head by police.
The whole 'any place we set foot belongs to the Queen' concept was fundamentally flawed, I just hope that when evils such as these occur that once the evil affair is over other people will learn from histories mistakes.
The fact that the UK government and several leading papers not only failed to say that the holocaust was wrong when the initial reports started to come out, but implicitly supported the actions until public opinion would not allow otherwise was wrong.
Public hanging was wrong, and that only ended in the 1960's.
The oppression of women was wrong.
The torture and killing of witches and heretics was wrong.
But more than anything:
I THINK THAT USING THE CRIMES OF OTHERS TO JUSTIFY YOUR OWN IS WRONG
I am just as critical of my own country:
The third world debt is exploitation and should never have been allowed to get to what it is and we should not continue to profit from the suffering in these countries.
Slavery was wrong and nothing can erase this past. I believe that since slave labour and exploitation was used to found an Empire we should be the ones in debt to the so called 'third world.'
Joining America in an illegal invasion was wrong, plain wrong and I want a public inquiry into how this could be allowed to happen without UN backing.
The brutal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes in a station which I used every day for years was wrong, plain wrong. There was no warning, no threat, and an innocent man was pinned down and shot repeatedly in the head by police.
The whole 'any place we set foot belongs to the Queen' concept was fundamentally flawed, I just hope that when evils such as these occur that once the evil affair is over other people will learn from histories mistakes.
The fact that the UK government and several leading papers not only failed to say that the holocaust was wrong when the initial reports started to come out, but implicitly supported the actions until public opinion would not allow otherwise was wrong.
Public hanging was wrong, and that only ended in the 1960's.
The oppression of women was wrong.
The torture and killing of witches and heretics was wrong.
But more than anything:
I THINK THAT USING THE CRIMES OF OTHERS TO JUSTIFY YOUR OWN IS WRONG
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I am not trying to say because what you did justifies anything, but I think you should remember that your people let your country get out of hand and your people didn't do shit. Always remember your country has been pulling this shit long before this country was even discovered. Europe should remember that next time it thinks we are so evil and have us all figured out.
I find you here as well.........still think you should have your doctor up your medication....but anyway.....the only point I am going to make with you is this................the invasion of Iraq was not illegal.............it was done because Iraq was harboring terrorists and.........it was breaking resolutions THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE BY THE UN that braught peace to the first gulf war.....UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
I didn't tell you what you thought, only recalled what you said. If you are saying I've misunderstood or misrepresented your views, please clarify. If you mean when I said "You are sickened because you are suffering the sickness of hatred," then this is my opinion, not a statement of what I think you believe.
I am just as critical of my own country:
The third world debt is exploitation and should never have been allowed to get to what it is and we should not continue to profit from the suffering in these countries.
Slavery was wrong and nothing can erase this past. I believe that since slave labour and exploitation was used to found an Empire we should be the ones in debt to the so called 'third world.'
Joining America in an illegal invasion was wrong, plain wrong and I want a public inquiry into how this could be allowed to happen without UN backing.
The brutal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes in a station which I used every day for years was wrong, plain wrong. There was no warning, no threat, and an innocent man was pinned down and shot repeatedly in the head by police.
The whole 'any place we set foot belongs to the Queen' concept was fundamentally flawed, I just hope that when evils such as these occur that once the evil affair is over other people will learn from histories mistakes.
The fact that the UK government and several leading papers not only failed to say that the holocaust was wrong when the initial reports started to come out, but implicitly supported the actions until public opinion would not allow otherwise was wrong.
Public hanging was wrong, and that only ended in the 1960's.
The oppression of women was wrong.
The torture and killing of witches and heretics was wrong.
But more than anything:
I THINK THAT USING THE CRIMES OF OTHERS TO JUSTIFY YOUR OWN IS WRONG
as for the rest of your rhetoric.....yes all those things you mention is wrong.however.....in America although we are not perfect, as a nation we strive to be..........The fact that our freedom of speech and press forces us to air our dirty laundry for you and the rest of the world to see and critique is a testiment to just how great of a country we are..Unfortunately, people like you only want to see the negative side of America and ignore the genorous contributions our nation has given to these third world countries........Pitty
What makes you say that? This is a serious debate covering serious political issues. Of course there are things about America I like, I have many American friends and like lots of the music which has come from the underground of America, I have a great deal of respect for lots of the less commercial Hip-Hop and other styles of music (but just don't ask me to listen to Britney Spears without screaming and smashing the speakers in), I enjoy lots of American drinks (thank fuck prohibition failed) and foods (although I'm not a fan of any burger chains, American or not). I like lots of American films and music, and don't get me started on the computers and games (although I'm not the biggest fan of Bill Gates, but since I sometimes program for the Windows platform I'm grateful for the ease of use... but I still only use linux if there is a choice and security is involved though). If I wasn't married I'd offer a few other reasons but those days are gone. I am interested by the results from the space program, (although I do think a bit less should be spent on this, and more on health care for the poorest elements of society). Would I be in a BF2 forum, or have got to the rank of First Sergeant, if I detested everything about American culture and people? Why does criticising poor foriegn policy and governmental blunders mean that I do?lowing wrote:
as for the rest of your rhetoric.....yes all those things you mention is wrong.however.....in America although we are not perfect, as a nation we strive to be..........The fact that our freedom of speech and press forces us to air our dirty laundry for you and the rest of the world to see and critique is a testiment to just how great of a country we are..Unfortunately, people like you only want to see the negative side of America and ignore the genorous contributions our nation has given to these third world countries........Pitty
And lowing, as for medication, not on any at the mo, but perhaps you can read the label off whatever they gave you to make you so trusting and naive when it comes to what your government tells you...
Oh, and speaking of Freedom of Speech and other protected liberties, I still think the people of America should cause more of a stink about the USA PATRIOT Act. Just imagining that Secret Service agents could sneak into my house with no warrant and sniff my underwear or something then leave without even putting a notice that they've been gives me the creeps, doesn't the thought bother you?
No it doesn't but if someones "underwear" is a threat to my nation and my family then by all means sniff away. you are taking so much of the Patriot Act out of context......They are only monitoring people they suspect of having terrorist ties.....they do not have the time or inclination to investigate the average citizens "underwear"....You are reading wayyyyyy to much liberal press. Even if big brother is watching.who cares.....If you don't have anything to hide you don't have any problems.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
What makes you say that? This is a serious debate covering serious political issues. Of course there are things about America I like, I have many American friends and like lots of the music which has come from the underground of America, I have a great deal of respect for lots of the less commercial Hip-Hop and other styles of music (but just don't ask me to listen to Britney Spears without screaming and smashing the speakers in), I enjoy lots of American drinks (thank fuck prohibition failed) and foods (although I'm not a fan of any burger chains, American or not). I like lots of American films and music, and don't get me started on the computers and games (although I'm not the biggest fan of Bill Gates, but since I sometimes program for the Windows platform I'm grateful for the ease of use... but I still only use linux if there is a choice and security is involved though). If I wasn't married I'd offer a few other reasons but those days are gone. I am interested by the results from the space program, (although I do think a bit less should be spent on this, and more on health care for the poorest elements of society). Would I be in a BF2 forum, or have got to the rank of First Sergeant, if I detested everything about American culture and people? Why does criticising poor foriegn policy and governmental blunders mean that I do?lowing wrote:
as for the rest of your rhetoric.....yes all those things you mention is wrong.however.....in America although we are not perfect, as a nation we strive to be..........The fact that our freedom of speech and press forces us to air our dirty laundry for you and the rest of the world to see and critique is a testiment to just how great of a country we are..Unfortunately, people like you only want to see the negative side of America and ignore the genorous contributions our nation has given to these third world countries........Pitty
And lowing, as for medication, not on any at the mo, but perhaps you can read the label off whatever they gave you to make you so trusting and naive when it comes to what your government tells you...
Oh, and speaking of Freedom of Speech and other protected liberties, I still think the people of America should cause more of a stink about the USA PATRIOT Act. Just imagining that Secret Service agents could sneak into my house with no warrant and sniff my underwear or something then leave without even putting a notice that they've been gives me the creeps, doesn't the thought bother you?
And yes that is how I feel about it....In my industry I have to be drug tested "randomly". It seems the only ones that are making such a big deal about their privacy being invaded are the ones using drugs, no one else cares.