BF2S Forums Scout Update

This argument really boils down to preserving the intentions of the original creator. As this is something you have a track record of not doing, it is unsurprising you fail to recognize that.

You are being selfish because you want something - the opportunity to use the guns - without having to accomplish anything to get them, something Valve clearly did not intend to be a factor in the game. Fulfilling your wishes at the direct contradiction of another's is extremely self centered. In regards to the other players, there is the sense of unfairness. You got your weapons without working, and it makes them wonder why they should even do it. If you get excitement from completing achievements for the weapons, and then see others getting them with little effort, you don't work with the same dedication or sense of fun you used to.

You need to explain in greater detail how having all the class updates released simultaneously relates to cheating to acquire those already released. Just because they are released simultaneously does not mean the unlocks are available to everyone at this release time. You would still have to work to get them, should you do so honestly. In essence, you don't show how cheating to acquire weapon unlocks for the available classes balances the game, when the premise is that the game would be balanced with the availability of these unlocks to achieve, rather than their acquisition by everyone.

After playing on a reasonably balanced server for a full round of ctf_well, the updates are fairly well balanced. My team had 2 scouts. Theirs had 3. Full 24 man server. Full round with 2 captures by us, none by them. If somebody wants to go out of their way to abuse them they will but for the most part it's decent enough. Once the whole zomfgscoutmania dies and people realise that they mostly still suck as a scout things will go back to normal. The best use I saw the sandman put to was a stunned engy + rocket spam that destroyed a sentry.

Sandman stuns were rare (I think only one of the enemy scouts had it unlocked) and I wasn't stunned at all while playing soldier.




Pity all the Aussie servers are crashing so much since the update.

DefCon-17 wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Sandman stuns were rare (I think only one of the enemy scouts had it unlocked) and I wasn't stunned at all while playing soldier.

You should've seen my Sandman/Sniper combo on Docta today.

I've stunned a few snipers.


They don't seem to like it much.

Fat, I had 100% achievements before I had even finished patching the game.

Still have all my weapons.

Awesome disciplinary overseeing there by Valve .

Uzique wrote:

Fat, I had 100% achievements before I had even finished patching the game.

Still have all my weapons.

Awesome disciplinary overseeing there by Valve .

I've only just completed Milestone 3, and I did about 50% of the ones needed for that in normal game mode, and about 50% of the others in Achievement servers.. I mean fuck, how often do you see a heavy using a Sandvich, and then how often can you kill him quick enough, before he switches weapons, since he's obviously using the Sandvich...

DefCon-17 wrote:

Finray wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Fat, I had 100% achievements before I had even finished patching the game.

Still have all my weapons.

Awesome disciplinary overseeing there by Valve .

I've only just completed Milestone 3, and I did about 50% of the ones needed for that in normal game mode, and about 50% of the others in Achievement servers.. I mean fuck, how often do you see a heavy using a Sandvich, and then how often can you kill him quick enough, before he switches weapons, since he's obviously using the Sandvich...

Arena.

Funny way to get first blood actually.

Somebody did it to me. Lame.

Peter wrote:

Finray wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Fat, I had 100% achievements before I had even finished patching the game.

Still have all my weapons.

Awesome disciplinary overseeing there by Valve .

I've only just completed Milestone 3, and I did about 50% of the ones needed for that in normal game mode, and about 50% of the others in Achievement servers.. I mean fuck, how often do you see a heavy using a Sandvich, and then how often can you kill him quick enough, before he switches weapons, since he's obviously using the Sandvich...

What's the point in doing them in achievement servers?

So you get them really fast for unlocks zomfgbbqhax.

Also, I'd rather not have unlocks and achievements tied together. My bastard of a little brother, because he plays scout, got all the unlocks within a few hours of the update by working with other players on almost empty servers. Which means I can't do shit like Moon Shoot and Artful Dodger and such.


Pretty crap. Still the medic ones are taking me ages to get. Mostly because I don't play medic much (I figure 1-2 rounds as a medic buys me a few as a heavy/solly, I do go medic if the team needs it though).

I LOVE MY BALL :d

After unlocking the FaN, Sandman and bonk I must say:

- I love the Force a Nature. It's excellent. It's a true sidegrade and has a simple and easy concept. I won't be switching back to my regular scattergun, the knockback is just awesome.

- The sandman is stupidly overpowered. I can take on any class 1 on 1 with ease. Finding a new ball is easy peasy and I pretty much just run with my bat out waiting to stun people. Lack of double jump is eased with the FaN jump, which is pretty much the same thing. I suggested on the steam forums that there would be a 1 second "load up" or animation time where you're motionless and hitting the ball. While I still dislike stuns period (so much for no taking control away from the player, valve), this would be a decent compromise IMO.

- I haven't tried bonk much, but found the lack of bonk-effect time dissapointing. It seems like 1 second to drink, 5 second to go, and 5 seconds (?) of cooldown. I might switch for it when I know there's sentries, but otherwise the pistol seems like a good choice. I might use it more if the 1-second animation was removed. Decent unlock, needs tweaking.

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

The Force-A-Nature god awful. It has less damage per shot, less damage per second, only boosts you up a like 2 feet and has to be reloaded all the time. The only use for it is to break your fall if you miss a jump, it never will increase the jump enough to make you clear anything you couldn't with the Double-jump alone.So all it really is is a scatter-gun that does four fifths the damage and has a longer reload time. Real great weapon.

FaN does 96% of the scattergun damage. It helps tremendously against pyros, demomen and soldiers, as well as heavies. The disorienting is enough to either reload and finish them off or retreat without much damage.

Plus, it really does help you jump more than you give it credit. It's pretty much a triple jump.

I never remember Valve ever saying that they would not implement stuns or slow downs. Nothing in the TF2 Blog or the Commentary tracks about it.

So where is this coming from?

And even if Valve did say it, I fail to see what the big deal is. No one railed against Infinity Ward for the stun grenades in CoD4, and those were waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better at stunning than the Sandman, and in CoD4 you die faster so being stunned hurts you more.

Also Valve has put flash grenades in CSS, which make the player completely blind and useless, and those affect a large number of players and are not difficult to hit with, unlike the sandman.

More than 1 person in a spot > Sandman...

Seriously any scout using the sandman might be able to rape 1v1 but if there's 2 people there they die fast. I don't see how that's over powered.

Pretty much like an MMO's 'glass cannon'.

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Flecco wrote:

More than 1 person in a spot > Sandman...

Seriously any scout using the sandman might be able to rape 1v1 but if there's 2 people there they die fast. I don't see how that's over powered.

Pretty much like an MMO's 'glass cannon'.

glass cannon? Is that a gun that shoots glass or one made of glass? Or both?

A class that can destroy the opposition pretty well 1v1, but tends to die very fast if caught with it's pants down.