A choice of succession.

2009-02-24 15:27:55

#1

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5889

Ok, I was thinking about this on the way back from class today.

Scenario: You are part of a organization which members can kill each other with no consequence outside the organization. So you will never have to worry about being turned over to the police.

Now there is the leader of the organization who runs everyone else. From the line of succession there are 2 people below him then it goes to you. Now the first in line of succession gets the idea to make a move and kill the leader.

Here are your choices:
1. Stop the move on the leader. You move up a spot after the 2nd in succession is executed. The leader now trust you more and you have more power and responsibility.

2. Let the leader be killed. You move up a spot. But now you have a new leader who is indifferent to you.

3. Let the leader be killed then kill the usurper then allow the guy above you to move up a spot and you would be next in line of succession. The new leader is grateful.

4. Let the leader be killed. Kill the usurper then kill then next guy in line. Make yourself leader.

5. Let the leader be killed. Kill the guy above you. Then you yourself would be next in line for succession. The new leader is suspicious of you.
Which would you choose?
Spoiler (highlight to read):
This is another thread concerning morality.

2009-02-24 15:29:41

#2

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7010|67.222.138.85

Kill everyone and then yourself.

Prove why this is any less reasonable than the circumstance presented.

2009-02-24 15:31:51

#3

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5889

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Kill everyone and then yourself.

Prove why this is any less reasonable than the circumstance presented.

Because all of that bloodshed would be meaningless and if you kill everyone then you would be leader.

2009-02-24 15:35:07

#4

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7010|67.222.138.85

Macbeth wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Kill everyone and then yourself.

Prove why this is any less reasonable than the circumstance presented.
Because all of that bloodshed would be meaningless and if you kill everyone then you would be leader.

What is the point of being leader? So you can be killed? A mortal game of kind of the hill?

There is no moral issue. It's a logical issue without enough grounding in reality to be solvable.

2009-02-24 15:37:45

#5

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5889

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Kill everyone and then yourself.

Prove why this is any less reasonable than the circumstance presented.
Because all of that bloodshed would be meaningless and if you kill everyone then you would be leader.
What is the point of being leader? So you can be killed? A mortal game of kind of the hill?

There is no moral issue. It's a logical issue without enough grounding in reality to be solvable.

If you are an effective leader you won't get your ass knifed in your sleep by your cousin.

It is a question of which is more important to you: Power or loyalty.

2009-02-24 15:41:19

#6

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7010|67.222.138.85

Effective leader of what?

Power is nonexistent and loyalty gets you shanked in this situation. The best choice is to get the hell out.

2009-02-24 15:43:42

#7

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6952

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Effective leader of what?

Power is nonexistent and loyalty gets you shanked in this situation. The best choice is to get the hell out.

Exactly.

I'm failing to understand what the hell this is about.

2009-02-24 15:44:17

#8

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7069|Cambridge (UK)

Kill them all!

Oh, and @OP: do we refer to you as "The Scottish User"?

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2009-02-24 15:45:50

#9

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5889

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Effective leader of what?

Power is nonexistent and loyalty gets you shanked in this situation. The best choice is to get the hell out.

Leader of the organization. Think of the organization as whatever you. Government, Mafia, Business.

If you leave the new leader is going to go after you for whatever reason.

Pick one. FM.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Kill them all!

Oh, and @OP: do we refer to you as "The Scottish User"?

I'm not Scottish.

ghettoperson wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Effective leader of what?

Power is nonexistent and loyalty gets you shanked in this situation. The best choice is to get the hell out.
Exactly.

I'm failing to understand what the hell this is about.

I have another thread idea concerning morality, sex, and genetics. I'll post it later when i get a chance.

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2009-02-24 15:48:50

#10

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7010|67.222.138.85

int choice = (int) math.Random()*5;

2009-02-24 15:49:50

#11

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7069|Cambridge (UK)

Macbeth wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Kill them all!

Oh, and @OP: do we refer to you as "The Scottish User"?
I'm not Scottish.

:facepalm:

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2009-02-24 15:50:09)

2009-02-24 15:51:02

#12

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7069|Cambridge (UK)

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
int choice = (int) (math.Random()*4)+1;

Corrected. (probably)

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2009-02-24 15:51:32)

2009-02-24 15:51:23

#13

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5889

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Kill them all!

Oh, and @OP: do we refer to you as "The Scottish User"?
I'm not Scottish.
:facepalm:

Christ, I forgot some people referred to it as the scottish play. Yes if you want to refer me to me as the scottish user you can. Nothing I could do to stop you anyway.

2009-02-24 15:52:10

#14

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7010|67.222.138.85

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
int choice = (int) (math.Random()*4)+1;
Corrected. (probably)

hahaha I was just about to correct your correction with the 4

2009-02-24 15:55:13

#15

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|6005|College Park, MD

Kill the guy who was gonna kill the leader

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2009-02-24 18:27:23

#16

Pug: UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate; +652|6845|Texas - Bigger than France

Good Christ, this one involves math...

2009-02-24 18:34:52

#17

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6708|North Carolina

I like choice #1. Throughout most of history, kingmakers have had a longer lasting influence than kings themselves.

2009-02-24 18:52:42

#18

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6968|NT, like Mick Dundee

Turquoise wrote:
I like choice #1. Throughout most of history, kingmakers have had a longer lasting influence than kings themselves.

Until they get their head chopped off.

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-02-24 18:56:19

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AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6456|what

Flecco wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
I like choice #1. Throughout most of history, kingmakers have had a longer lasting influence than kings themselves.
Until they get their head chopped off.

The Praetorian Guard presented Claudius as Emperor. It turned out okay for them, and Rome.

But look at what happens when the head of Praetorian Guard tries to make himself Emperor.

2009-02-24 19:31:00

#20

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6714|'Murka

The first choice.

Why? It's the right thing to do...without any further information on the nature of the leader.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-02-24 21:11:18

#21

S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6750|Chicago, IL

Why so many moral threads?

why don't we just have a single thread concerning our morals?

If I had a chance to make myself leader would I take it? Depends on the nature of the organization, and the people I'd have to take out.

Would I kill _____ animal for a million dollars? You bet I would.

Would I kill _____ person for a million dollars? Depends on the person, I'd kill a terrorist for free, but some random person, not a chance.

Would I kill my friend to ensure the survival of the human race? If he's a threat to humanity, he's not my friend anymore now is he?

2009-02-24 21:19:46

#22

Morpheus: This shit still going?; +508|6302|The Mitten

S.Lythberg wrote:
...Would I kill _____ person for a million dollars? Depends on the person, I'd kill a terrorist for free, but some random person, not a chance. ...

Define terrorist

/dons flamesuit and hides

EE (hats

2009-02-24 21:19:48

#23

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5889

S.Lythberg wrote:
Why so many moral threads?

why don't we just have a single thread concerning our morals?

If I had a chance to make myself leader would I take it? Depends on the nature of the organization, and the people I'd have to take out.

Would I kill _____ animal for a million dollars? You bet I would.

Would I kill _____ person for a million dollars? Depends on the person, I'd kill a terrorist for free, but some random person, not a chance.

Would I kill my friend to ensure the survival of the human race? If he's a threat to humanity, he's not my friend anymore now is he?

Because it'd be one really big OP and understanding the thread would be difficult. The last one will probably be posted this weekend if I'm still allowed to be a member here. That is until I could think up more.

2009-02-24 21:21:17

#24

Morpheus: This shit still going?; +508|6302|The Mitten

Macbeth wrote:
S.Lythberg wrote:
Why so many moral threads?

why don't we just have a single thread concerning our morals?

If I had a chance to make myself leader would I take it? Depends on the nature of the organization, and the people I'd have to take out.

Would I kill _____ animal for a million dollars? You bet I would.

Would I kill _____ person for a million dollars? Depends on the person, I'd kill a terrorist for free, but some random person, not a chance.

Would I kill my friend to ensure the survival of the human race? If he's a threat to humanity, he's not my friend anymore now is he?
Because it'd be one really big OP and understanding the thread would be difficult. The last one will probably be posted this weekend if I'm still allowed to be a member here. That is until I could think up more.

... Didn't you already post that one?

EE (hats

2009-02-24 21:25:19

#25

S3v3N: lolwut?; +685|6821|Montucky

..the fuck?

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