BF2S Forums Iraq, not as bad as some wish......

...very good point....

Harmor wrote:

Safer than Mexico right now.

Like it's always been.

usmarine wrote:

ATG wrote:

ffs, if bush had spent 1/10th of the attention here as he did there we may not be discussing nationalizing banks right now.

i will fix this for you...

if people spent 1/10th of the attention on the loans they were taking, we wouldn't have this problem.

Again USmarine has no clue, that's a big surprise...

The Housing Inflation that happened has everything to do with what's going on in this country.. But oh well no one could stop it..

On the OP though, I didn't really see something that was brought on by us being there? It seems like Iraq might be more Anaracy riddled then before that's why they where getting away with it.. I'm not jaded, not a lefty either, and really don't care what happens to they're country and never did.. I don't feel safer cause while we might not get attacked by a "extremist" now, my chances of getting robbed have skyrocketed.

Yes yes yes.. It's has nothing to do with the sinking economy and the property taxes skyrocketing, it has all to do with Brokers giving out bad loans.. Yes that's why people like ATG who could afford his loan when he got it is having problems now..

Is it my industry or the people who took bad loans at fault?

usmarine wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Is it my industry or the people who took bad loans at fault?

both.

And you can't get a better answer than that. You'll notice the anti-business types all blame the banks\creditors, while the other extreme point of view is that it was all the fault of the home owners.

If it were the fault of just one of these parties, the govt. would probably be willing to allow the collapse of more businesses or loss of mortgages. But both are at fault, and both are feeling the consequences. Including the companies not at fault and the people who have been responsible.

As true now as it ever has been, on principle alone:

The Iraq war was fundamentally wrong, unwarranted, flawed and a crime against self determination and personal responsibility. It was fought in the name of western interests under a mere pretence of righteousness, simple as that. The situation in Iraq is improving, yes that is undeniably true. At what cost? The cost thus far: 5 years of anarchy, bloodshed, torture, killings, reprisals, IEDs, bombs, massacres, floods of foreign terrorists, political manipulation, no-bid contracts, regression from secularity to burqas, the almost total segregation of society into opposing sects and a clear message to all in the non-aligned movement across the world that if the west don't see you as serving their interests then they will get you either militarily, politically or clandestinely. This was a cost we had not right to impose. The cherry on top: an 'embassy' you can practically see from outer space. Western interventionist neo-imperalism - 'breaking a few eggs, to make a nice omelette'. Pathetic. How about we mind our own fucking business on the whole regime change/'shock and awe' carnage for a few years?

Hooray people in Iraq can vote and can maybe buy ipods!!! And it only cost several hundred thousand lives, a cost levied on Iraq by alien intervention, alien force and internal strife brought on by that intervention. It was NOT our choice to make.

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ATG wrote:

usmarine wrote:

ATG wrote:

ffs, if bush had spent 1/10th of the attention here as he did there we may not be discussing nationalizing banks right now.

i will fix this for you...

if people spent 1/10th of the attention on the loans they were taking, we wouldn't have this problem.

If only 1/10th of the loans were ninja loans or loans to illegal aliens, we wouldn't be having that problem.

How many times I gotta say it jarhead; it's not the general public, workaday assholes fault that median home cost verses median income got so grossly out of whack. That's a policy and regulation problem. In mexico, as an american you can't own property or a business. In america we had politicians strong arming banks to loan money to buy over priced houses to illegal aliens.

Your beloved republicans and democrats engineered this whole mess so that a crisis would occur and more power and control would go to them.

I know, I know....tin foil hat clown club and all that...


All of the financial choas is planned. The country has changed more in the last 1.5 years than it has in the last 150.


Rather than introduce a debate and offer a change to socialism via vote, these cocksuckers have gone the backdoor route and forced change that has been proven historically not to work, knowing the american people would never willingly accept this.

What was it westwing boi Ram said; " we are not going to let this crisis go to waste. "

boom badda boom.

socialism is now u.s. policy.






Did I miss the vote?

Liberal Democrats and Republicans, mostly Democrats. Conservatives don't want government control you know that.

FEOS wrote:

ATG wrote:

FEOS wrote:

But you take the "long view" towards war.

rrriiiiggghhhtttt.

Did we get OBL?
Did we not go broke?
Are we not sort of...unpopular right now?


Oh, I suspect we will be for some time as much of the world can point fingers at our nation as to why their financial house is in such trouble.


We have made zero progress in squashing islamic fanaticism. We have shown that we can dispose a government, but at what moral cost?

I have taken the long view and thought forward to possible results of our adventures and see nothing good of it.

Do we need to get OBL? Nope.
Were we broke before? Yep.
Have we always been sort of...unpopular? Yep.

You take the "long view" about Vietnam (ended 34 years ago), but don't do the same for the current conflict (started 7.5 years ago, still ongoing).

Your "long view" of the current conflict is remarkably similar to the "short view" taken towards Vietnam in the 60s.

im sorry if im wrong, but i thought the USA had a great economy/little debt during and following clinton?

usmarine wrote:

destruktion_6143 wrote:

im sorry if im wrong, but i thought the USA had a great economy/little debt during and following clinton?

we had a great economy with bush for a while also.  the dow set a record if i am not mistaken 2 years ago or so.

Pesky facts are inconvenient. Stop it.

Harmon? what? We should use our assests and everything to build up an other country and not try to fix our economy?

Spend us into the poor house? we're already there.