read this little kidPoseidon wrote:
just like the holocaust rite rite amirite?rammunition wrote:
"anti Semitism" is a myth
http://www.rense.com/general66/mostjewsarenot.htm
http://www.rense.com/general66/mostjewsarenot.htm
M.O.A.B wrote:
A simple search on wiki says otherwise.Wiki wrote:
In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya among others.
The following is a list of ancient Semitic peoples.
* Akkadians — migrated into Mesopotamia in the late 4th millennium BC and amalgamate with non-Semitic Mesopotamian (Sumerian) populations into the Assyrians and Babylonians of the Late Bronze Age.[2][3]
* Eblaites — 23rd century BC
* Aramaeans — 16th to 8th century BC[4][5] / Akhlames (Ahlamu) 14th century BC[6]
* Ugarites, 14th to 12th centuries BC
* Canaanite language speaking nations of the early Iron Age:
o Amorites
o Ammonites
o Edomites
o Hebrews — founded the kingdom of Israel and Judah, the remnants of which became the Jews and Samaritans
o Knanaya
o Moabites <------------ Your ancestors MOAB ????
o Phoenicians — founded Mediterranean colonies including Carthage
* Old South Arabian speaking peoples
o Sabaeans of Yemen — 9th to 1st c. BC
* Ethio-Semitic speaking peoples
o Aksumites — 4th c. BC to 7th c. AD
* Arabs, Old North Arabian speaking Bedouins
o Gindibu's Arabs 9th c. BC
o Lihyanites — 6th to 1st c. BC
o Thamud people — 2nd to 5th c. AD
o Ghassanids — 3rd to 7th c. AD
o Nabataeans — adopted Arabic in the 4th century AD
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but just like the holocaust rite rite amirite?rammunition wrote:
read this little kidPoseidon wrote:
just like the holocaust rite rite amirite?rammunition wrote:
"anti Semitism" is a myth
http://www.rense.com/general66/mostjewsarenot.htm
answer the question mr. troll
the "holocaust card" isn't going to work on me and wont silence from criticising jews/israelisPoseidon wrote:
but just like the holocaust rite rite amirite?rammunition wrote:
read this little kidPoseidon wrote:
just like the holocaust rite rite amirite?
http://www.rense.com/general66/mostjewsarenot.htm
answer the question mr. troll
Still evading the question I see! Nice work.rammunition wrote:
the "holocaust card" isn't going to work on me and wont silence from criticising jews/israelisPoseidon wrote:
but just like the holocaust rite rite amirite?
answer the question mr. troll
You are both evading tbh ...
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There's no point in answering him...we all know he's a bigot and the typical lack-of-reason America hater anyways, not to mention the biggest troll in this forum who's been banned for several times for it. I just like fucking with him and drawing out his faux hatred. If you guys aren't gonna ban him, I might as well have some fun with him.Varegg wrote:
You are both evading tbh ...
the the only holocaust that happened was with these death tollsPoseidon wrote:
Still evading the question I see! Nice work.rammunition wrote:
the "holocaust card" isn't going to work on me and wont silence from criticising jews/israelisPoseidon wrote:
but just like the holocaust rite rite amirite?
answer the question mr. troll
Jews 5.9 million
Soviet POWs 2–3 million
Ethnic Poles 1.8–2 million
Roma 220,000–500,000
Disabled 200,000–250,000
Freemasons 80,000–200,000
Homosexuals 5,000–15,000
Jehovah's Witnesses 2,500–5,000
the holocaust wasn't only a jewish massacre yet its become such and the others killed have been removed from history
Pretty sure no Jew that I know (and I bet I know quite a bit more than you!) thinks the Holocaust was Jews only killed. I was always taught and grew up learning that 12 million died. Jews get the most attention for the Holocaust because 1) They were the ones mainly targeted 2) They were killed in the greatest numbers, and by more than double of the next group (Soviet POWs).rammunition wrote:
the the only holocaust that happened was with these death tollsPoseidon wrote:
Still evading the question I see! Nice work.rammunition wrote:
the "holocaust card" isn't going to work on me and wont silence from criticising jews/israelis
Jews 5.9 million
Soviet POWs 2–3 million
Ethnic Poles 1.8–2 million
Roma 220,000–500,000
Disabled 200,000–250,000
Freemasons 80,000–200,000
Homosexuals 5,000–15,000
Jehovah's Witnesses 2,500–5,000
the holocaust wasn't only a jewish massacre yet its become such and the others killed have been removed from history
But hey, keep thinking that Jews think the Holocaust only had to do with them...it just proves how very naive you are.
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*Sigh*
Yes the holocaust did happen and yes anti-Semite is a word or phrase in common use aka if it exist you can use it in a sentence ...
Everybody happy?
No ... I'm not ... because of your bickering my joke in this post went unoticed you &%#/&"¤#¤%#" berks
Yes the holocaust did happen and yes anti-Semite is a word or phrase in common use aka if it exist you can use it in a sentence ...
Everybody happy?
No ... I'm not ... because of your bickering my joke in this post went unoticed you &%#/&"¤#¤%#" berks
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only jew Jews/Israeli's use the "holocaust card", no one else uses it. no one screams "holocaust" to shut up criticism, when i learnt about the holocaust at school i was only thought about the jewish deaths. ask people about who died and they will say jews died in the holocaust, i bet they won't know about the othersPoseidon wrote:
Pretty sure no Jew that I know (and I bet I know quite a bit more than you!) thinks the Holocaust was Jews only killed. I was always taught and grew up learning that 12 million died. Jews get the most attention for the Holocaust because 1) They were the ones mainly targeted 2) They were killed in the greatest numbers, and by more than double of the next group (Soviet POWs).rammunition wrote:
the the only holocaust that happened was with these death tollsPoseidon wrote:
Still evading the question I see! Nice work.
Jews 5.9 million
Soviet POWs 2–3 million
Ethnic Poles 1.8–2 million
Roma 220,000–500,000
Disabled 200,000–250,000
Freemasons 80,000–200,000
Homosexuals 5,000–15,000
Jehovah's Witnesses 2,500–5,000
the holocaust wasn't only a jewish massacre yet its become such and the others killed have been removed from history
But hey, keep thinking that Jews think the Holocaust only had to do with them...it just proves how very naive you are.
Well then your school obviously sucks, and our American schools are apparentely vastly superior to your British schools (how's that for irony?) because in every grade that I learned about the Holocaust, I was told 12 million. I even took an elective last year for half of a semester on the Holocaust and we were always told 12 million.rammunition wrote:
only jew Jews/Israeli's use the "holocaust card", no one else uses it. no one screams "holocaust" to shut up criticism, when i learnt about the holocaust at school i was only thought about the jewish deaths. ask people about who died and they will say jews died in the holocaust, i bet they won't know about the othersPoseidon wrote:
Pretty sure no Jew that I know (and I bet I know quite a bit more than you!) thinks the Holocaust was Jews only killed. I was always taught and grew up learning that 12 million died. Jews get the most attention for the Holocaust because 1) They were the ones mainly targeted 2) They were killed in the greatest numbers, and by more than double of the next group (Soviet POWs).rammunition wrote:
the the only holocaust that happened was with these death tolls
Jews 5.9 million
Soviet POWs 2–3 million
Ethnic Poles 1.8–2 million
Roma 220,000–500,000
Disabled 200,000–250,000
Freemasons 80,000–200,000
Homosexuals 5,000–15,000
Jehovah's Witnesses 2,500–5,000
the holocaust wasn't only a jewish massacre yet its become such and the others killed have been removed from history
But hey, keep thinking that Jews think the Holocaust only had to do with them...it just proves how very naive you are.
not disagree with the 12 million being mentioned but the only mention of deaths were jewish deathsPoseidon wrote:
Well then your school obviously sucks, and our American schools are apparentely vastly superior to your British schools (how's that for irony?) because in every grade that I learned about the Holocaust, I was told 12 million. I even took an elective last year for half of a semester on the Holocaust and we were always told 12 million.rammunition wrote:
only jew Jews/Israeli's use the "holocaust card", no one else uses it. no one screams "holocaust" to shut up criticism, when i learnt about the holocaust at school i was only thought about the jewish deaths. ask people about who died and they will say jews died in the holocaust, i bet they won't know about the othersPoseidon wrote:
Pretty sure no Jew that I know (and I bet I know quite a bit more than you!) thinks the Holocaust was Jews only killed. I was always taught and grew up learning that 12 million died. Jews get the most attention for the Holocaust because 1) They were the ones mainly targeted 2) They were killed in the greatest numbers, and by more than double of the next group (Soviet POWs).
But hey, keep thinking that Jews think the Holocaust only had to do with them...it just proves how very naive you are.
I'm just that awsmVaregg wrote:
*Sigh*
Yes the holocaust did happen and yes anti-Semite is a word or phrase in common use aka if it exist you can use it in a sentence ...
Everybody happy?
No ... I'm not ... because of your bickering my joke in this post went unoticed you &%#/&"¤#¤%#" berks
You are ... think the Moabites invented a kind of theater, made small travelling shows with sticks, stones and acorns ...M.O.A.B wrote:
I'm just that awsmVaregg wrote:
*Sigh*
Yes the holocaust did happen and yes anti-Semite is a word or phrase in common use aka if it exist you can use it in a sentence ...
Everybody happy?
No ... I'm not ... because of your bickering my joke in this post went unoticed you &%#/&"¤#¤%#" berks
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BF2s Movie in the early days tbh. Was all plannedVaregg wrote:
You are ... think the Moabites invented a kind of theater, made small travelling shows with sticks, stones and acorns ...M.O.A.B wrote:
I'm just that awsmVaregg wrote:
*Sigh*
Yes the holocaust did happen and yes anti-Semite is a word or phrase in common use aka if it exist you can use it in a sentence ...
Everybody happy?
No ... I'm not ... because of your bickering my joke in this post went unoticed you &%#/&"¤#¤%#" berks
Cant fight your genesM.O.A.B wrote:
BF2s Movie in the early days tbh. Was all plannedVaregg wrote:
You are ... think the Moabites invented a kind of theater, made small travelling shows with sticks, stones and acorns ...M.O.A.B wrote:
I'm just that awsm
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You haven't seen me try to pull them on after they've been washedVaregg wrote:
Cant fight your genesM.O.A.B wrote:
BF2s Movie in the early days tbh. Was all plannedVaregg wrote:
You are ... think the Moabites invented a kind of theater, made small travelling shows with sticks, stones and acorns ...
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Not a myth, very real thing. And you are arguing about semantics here? Cmon. Give me a fucking break. A lot of Jews and Arabs have common roots. The difference between you and me is that I don't support Israel killing Pals and you want to see Israel gone and you are anti-Semite, I mean the common use of the word. And just FYI the Holocaust is not a card, it did happen. Have some respect ffs. And nobody said the only people dead during WWII were Jews. But those 6 million were picked by the asshole of Hitler just because of their genes. Awesome. Isn't it?rammunition wrote:
"anti Semitism" is a myth, jews are not Semites, only arabs aresergeriver wrote:
In every Christian/Muslim country there's anti-Semitism.Mekstizzle wrote:
"Anti-Semitism" only exists in Europe/Middle East. Or you could say it only really exists in the Christian/Muslim worlds. Doesn't exist everywhere, no chance of that. It didn't exist in South/East Asia (prior to the arrival of Christianity/Islam) when regions where domination by Hinduism/Buddhism/Shinto/Taoism/Confucianism etc.. and it still doesn't exist in those cultures where there isn't significant Christian/Muslim influence.
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People wanted Nazi germany gone, didn't mean they hated all germans.Sergeriver wrote:
you want to see Israel gone and you are anti-Semite
As were the ethnic poles, the slavs, the romanies, the homosexuals, the congenitally defective etc.But those 6 million were picked by the asshole of Hitler just because of their genes.
If there had been a significant muslim presence no doubt they would have bought it too.
Fuck Israel
Yes, for Jews and everyone else, that's the ultimate issue, what one thinks of Israel's actions. I think most Jews would react to harassment by telling the harasser to fuck off instead of blaming Israel for giving the harasser a justification. I'm sure that's how I would have reacted to someone blaming me for the Iraq war because I'm American, even though I thought the war was idiotic.Braddock wrote:
EDIT: I do however believe Israel should alter its actions on the grounds of basic human decency (I'm not saying Hamas are the touchstone of human decency, far fucking from it!). Israel likes to masquerade as some sort of decent, respectable, Western-style nation when it in fact carries on like some modern day third Reich. If it wants to be taken seriously it needs to play by the same rules as the rest of the civilised world. The UK didn't blow up housing estates and hospitals every time the IRA let off a bomb or fired a mortar... if they had I can assure you we would not be enjoying peace right now on this island. In fact I'd probably be out on the front lines instead of typing this email right now.
For what it's worth, Israel has done some things that I would not want to defend, but my view is that the vast majority of the things Israel has done that people find objectionable have been done for security purposes. Security measures are not pretty and frequently are not fair. I'm certain every Western nation has done brutal things for security purposes at one time or another. It's important to judge Israel's actions in light of the fact that millions of people have wanted to wipe it off the map for the entire time it has existed. I'm not aware of any other Western-style nation in a similar situation for such a large portion of its existence.
Actually I'm not sure how the Nazis reacted to Muslims. There are many instances of Arab countries joining the side of the Germans, Iraqi nationalists for example got a lot of support from the Axis.Dilbert_X wrote:
People wanted Nazi germany gone, didn't mean they hated all germans.Sergeriver wrote:
you want to see Israel gone and you are anti-SemiteAs were the ethnic poles, the slavs, the romanies, the homosexuals, the congenitally defective etc.But those 6 million were picked by the asshole of Hitler just because of their genes.
If there had been a significant muslim presence no doubt they would have bought it too.
Nobody is disregarding the others killed besides the Jews. But considering the Jews made up double and triple the number of those killed in other groups, they will naturally get more attention.
Please point out where I said or implied "all of Europe".Varegg wrote:
The Jews were not persecuted by Europe FEOS, your post was very good until you fell in your own trap ...FEOS wrote:
Is it just me, or do many of the Euros here make excuses for anti-Semitism?
[paraphrase]
"It doesn't exist."
"Racism against others is far more prevalent."
"Why do they have a special name for racism against them?"
"They probably deserve it"
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I guess if you say things like that followed by "but any racism is bad", it's OK. You're clean.
And where did the persecution of the Jews happen historically once they left the Levant...to include the systematic genocide of more than 6 million of them?
hmmm....
Seems like those patterns run deep...and long.
Where you live is not necessarily where you are from.and looking through the thread many of those comments came from Australia and South America ... not only Euros
So you've answered where you think the persecution happened...only I wasn't talking strictly about genocide. That's only part of it. Persecution of Jews in many countries in Europe has occurred throughout history. The most horrific persecution was at the hands of Nazi Germany, but that isn't the sum total of Europe's poor treatment of the Jewish people (or gypsies or other ethnic minorities for that matter).The two completely fucked up governments of Russia and Germany is what caused the genocide you mention ...
This is not a comparative US vs European racism bash. It is specific to the issue of antisemitism and observations I have made in the time I've been a member of this forum. It seems the racism against Jews in some of the members is simmering just below the surface, only coming out in thinly veiled statements.
One member in particular has stated repeatedly that perhaps Jews should do some introspection to figure out why they have been so hated by others throughout history. That's fucking nonsense.
I agree. However, I don't understand the problem people here have with a term that is specifically for racism against Jews. Who fucking cares? The problem isn't that there's a term specifically for anti-Jewish racism. The problem is that it's prevalent enough that there's a specific, recognized term for it.Racism comes in many shapes, excusing the one for the other is wrong like you point out and some of the statements in this thread is on the border of racism ...
No doubt. You'd think they'd treat a non-Jewish group in their country much better, based on their cultural history. But that doesn't obviate or excuse antisemitism.With that said i don't think the Jews themselves did learn much from their own genocide, persecution and forced moving seeing as they do exactly the same to the Palestinians today ... the similarities are so many it's almost scary ...
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
It's not just about you, Mek. Don't take everything so personally. I paraphrased for a reason.Mekstizzle wrote:
Well let's see what you have to say here, we could say the same thing for you guys and an unrepentant pro Israel bias, but that would be stupid, just like what you said about "Euros"FEOS wrote:
Is it just me, or do many of the Euros here make excuses for anti-Semitism?You know what I meant by that when I said it, and I've explained it too many times to explain it again, of course hatred against Jews exists just like hatred for any other group of people exists"It doesn't exist."Well let's see, Jews account for about 15 million of the world population, others = the rest. Hmm, no actually FEOS I'm sure that "others" don't experience as much racism (sarcasm). I'd say there's much more racism against non-Jews for various reasons than racism against Jews cos they're Jews"Racism against others is far more prevalent."Why do they?"Why do they have a special name for racism against them?"I didn't say that, who did? That bit I agree (with you) with, whoever said that is a twat"They probably deserve it"lol, and where do your ancestors come from. I always find it funny how Americans always think they're different to Europeans with regards to history, only since relatively recent times has it changed yet they act like they've been a different "race" for thousands of years...And where did the persecution of the Jews happen historically once they left the Levant...to include the systematic genocide of more than 6 million of them?
hmmm....
Seems like those patterns run deep...and long.
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This is all rich coming from you FEOS, the guy who thinks lowings and co's outright racism against black people is "more complicated than you think" - Yeah ok, this all too much bullshit for someone to handle
And where the fuck is usmarine
As to the racism against black people that you mention: Where did I say the issue about black people in that thread is "more complicated than you think"? I was talking about the issue overall. Yes, the majority of knuckleheads doing the stupid shit in New Orleans were black people...but there were people of all races doing stupid shit there and in DC. That's the "more complicated" that I was talking about. It's more complicated than race alone.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Its not nonsense, its a perfectly reasonable suggestion.FEOS wrote:
One member in particular has stated repeatedly that perhaps Jews should do some introspection to figure out why they have been so hated by others throughout history. That's fucking nonsense.
Either people hate them for a reason, or anti-semiticism doesn't exist - its just the normal racism which occurs when disparate groups come into contact.
To suggest there is some special kind of racism which applies only to one single race is fucking nonsense.
This is always the problem, they don't like any of the non-chosen criticising their actions and cry 'anti-semiticism' to deflect attention.
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Fuck Israel