Your ambition is very limited if you only want to make it to middle class.
Fuck Israel
Again, STOP trying to compare becoming a fuckin astronut or a CEO or the president to graduating fucking high school. It is rediculous to say there are reasons other than medical inability, for someone not being capable of finishing high school. You are giving the same excuse for a person who can not climb Everest to those that claim they can not climb a pitchers mound. It doesn't work.Dilbert_X wrote:
Please try to pay attention.Lowing wrote:
So a fire fighter was just dealt "lucky" cards huh? Effort, drive, hard work, motivation, determination, had nothing to do with it?Its a combination of factors.I wrote:
People get dealt different hands, some work harder, some don't, some are lucky with health, intelligence, educated parents, pushy parents, some aren't.
Again, please explain, if hard work is the only factor why are you not President, or CEO of a Fortune 500 company?
You're complaining that factors outside your control prevent you becoming President, maybe there are factors which prevent people graduating from high school - which puts them only one or two rungs below you.
I'll say what you're too wet to say, black Americans, black British too, tend not to do so well at school.
The reasons are complex, laziness and lack of self-accountability are two of them.
Funny, I thought you just said ambition has got nothing to do with it, I thought you said luck was in charge. Are you now telling me that ambition, hard work, drive motivation etc, and not some mythical force, is what matters?Dilbert_X wrote:
Your ambition is very limited if you only want to make it to middle class.
I need beer money?
Its all relative.
What may seem easy to you may be hard for them.
What may seem easy to others may be hard for you.
Really, the gap between those you criticise and yourself is just one or two rungs of a ladder which stretches way above your head.
Find another hobby-horse please.
What may seem easy to you may be hard for them.
What may seem easy to others may be hard for you.
Really, the gap between those you criticise and yourself is just one or two rungs of a ladder which stretches way above your head.
Find another hobby-horse please.
Fuck Israel
FFS PAY ATTENTIONLowing wrote:
Funny, I thought you just said ambition has got nothing to do with it, I thought you said luck was in charge. Are you now telling me that ambition, hard work, drive motivation etc, and not some mythical force, is what matters?
I wrote:
People get dealt different hands, SOME WORK HARDER, some don't, some are lucky with health, intelligence, educated parents, pushy parents, some aren't.
Fuck Israel
As you have no control over b, it's quite possible to try really hard and be crap, others are just plain better than you. There is no sure way of doing anything in life.lowing wrote:
a. you have control over yourself, I agreePureFodder wrote:
There's no way that everyone can become middle class. People's abilities are relative to everyone elses. If everyone tried harder, worked longer and stived for a better life, basically everyone would stay in exactly the same position.lowing wrote:
SO if have only myself to blame for not being a millionaire, who exactly is to blame for a person not even being a middle class citizen?
Your success is based on a) How good you are
b) How good everyone else is
You have no control over b.
b. you do not have control over anyone else, I also agree, so take comfort in the fact that you do not need to. Taking responsibility for YOURSELF is all that is required for YOUR success. Just make sure you are one of the ones who makes it to middle class.
If everyone tries to make it to the middle class, most people will fail. Your success is utterly dependent upon others failing to be better than you. If tomorrow a crap load of people decide to become the greatest aircraft technicians the world has ever seen, you'll try as hard as you do now, possibly even harder, but still end up scrubbing toilets not because you didn't try, but because they were better.
any chance either of you wanna bring your arguments for under achievment down to earth? I mean one is arguing that because we can't all be president of the United States that this is the same thing as not being cabable of making a living, and the other gives a a "what if" everyone in the world wants to be aircraft mechanics.
Really, your far fetched excuses for failure, speaks alot as to how far you really gotta go to excuse someone from graduating high school and making a living.
Really, your far fetched excuses for failure, speaks alot as to how far you really gotta go to excuse someone from graduating high school and making a living.
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The argument is this: You'll only ever get a job if you are the best for the job. If 10 people apply for a job you are in control of 10% of your chance of getting the job. The other 90% is out of your hands.lowing wrote:
any chance either of you wanna bring your arguments for under achievment down to earth? I mean one is arguing that because we can't all be president of the United States that this is the same thing as not being cabable of making a living, and the other gives a a "what if" everyone in the world wants to be aircraft mechanics.
Really, your far fetched excuses for failure, speaks alot as to how far you really gotta go to excuse someone from graduating high school and making a living.
If a few more people wanted a job as an aircraft mechanic and happened to be real good at it, you wouldn't have that job.
I see, so compitition is a bad thing!! We all should be the same, and recieve the same things out of life. Being better at something means you put more into being better and thus rewarded. By your account, this is a bad thing, is not fair, and should never happen.PureFodder wrote:
The argument is this: You'll only ever get a job if you are the best for the job. If 10 people apply for a job you are in control of 10% of your chance of getting the job. The other 90% is out of your hands.lowing wrote:
any chance either of you wanna bring your arguments for under achievment down to earth? I mean one is arguing that because we can't all be president of the United States that this is the same thing as not being cabable of making a living, and the other gives a a "what if" everyone in the world wants to be aircraft mechanics.
Really, your far fetched excuses for failure, speaks alot as to how far you really gotta go to excuse someone from graduating high school and making a living.
If a few more people wanted a job as an aircraft mechanic and happened to be real good at it, you wouldn't have that job.
The point is, take care of YOURSELF, make sure YOU are the best, TRY HARDER than the other guy, and get rewarded, welcome to America!!
Nature does not give everyone the same abilities.lowing wrote:
I see, so compitition is a bad thing!! We all should be the same, and recieve the same things out of life. Being better at something means you put more into being better and thus rewarded. By your account, this is a bad thing, is not fair, and should never happen.PureFodder wrote:
The argument is this: You'll only ever get a job if you are the best for the job. If 10 people apply for a job you are in control of 10% of your chance of getting the job. The other 90% is out of your hands.lowing wrote:
any chance either of you wanna bring your arguments for under achievment down to earth? I mean one is arguing that because we can't all be president of the United States that this is the same thing as not being cabable of making a living, and the other gives a a "what if" everyone in the world wants to be aircraft mechanics.
Really, your far fetched excuses for failure, speaks alot as to how far you really gotta go to excuse someone from graduating high school and making a living.
If a few more people wanted a job as an aircraft mechanic and happened to be real good at it, you wouldn't have that job.
The point is, take care of YOURSELF, make sure YOU are the best, TRY HARDER than the other guy, and get rewarded, welcome to America!!
- Some will be really good at everything they do and it doesn't matter whether they try hard or not.
- Most are really good at one or two things and by trying really hard to be the best at what they're good at they can achieve some measure of success in life.
- A few are just crap at everything and no matter how hard they try they will never amount to anything.
And, of course, some of the people that fit into each of the above categories are just lazy and so don't succeed for that reason.
Hard work doesn't always equal the fair amount of pay anyway. A woman can work the same job with the same results as a male but is more than likely to be paid less.
And then what about the volunteer fire-fighters and life guards who put their own life on the line to save others, but get paid absolutely zero?
In lowings perfect world achievement always equals money and the amount you work is fair and balanced. In the real world, that is never the case. Even with competition.
And then what about the volunteer fire-fighters and life guards who put their own life on the line to save others, but get paid absolutely zero?
In lowings perfect world achievement always equals money and the amount you work is fair and balanced. In the real world, that is never the case. Even with competition.
