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lowing wrote:

It is a fact, just like it is a fact as soon as mass transit enters an area that is nice within a decade or so, the area goes to shit. Like it or not with these inner city kids WILL come trouble.


Oh I see, you just wanna send the smart ones. THen you will have to listen to people like you scream, MY BOY IS A GOOD BOY, ALL HE NEEDS IS A CHANCE!!! IT AIN'T FAIR THAT YOU WONT'T GIVE MY JAMAL A CHANCE! IT IS DISCRIMINAION
People like me?

Standardised testing is all that is needed to find the deserving kids. If the parents don't like it they should make their kids study harder.

I love how now your blaming mass transit on poor schooling. Damn trains always bring out the worse in people. LOL

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lowing
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

It is a fact, just like it is a fact as soon as mass transit enters an area that is nice within a decade or so, the area goes to shit. Like it or not with these inner city kids WILL come trouble.


Oh I see, you just wanna send the smart ones. THen you will have to listen to people like you scream, MY BOY IS A GOOD BOY, ALL HE NEEDS IS A CHANCE!!! IT AIN'T FAIR THAT YOU WONT'T GIVE MY JAMAL A CHANCE! IT IS DISCRIMINAION
People like me?

Standardised testing is all that is needed to find the deserving kids. If the parents don't like it they should make their kids study harder.

I love how now your blaming mass transit on poor schooling. Damn trains always bring out the worse in people. LOL
yeah people like you! STANDARD testing?! Are you kidding me? THAT isn't fair, since inner city kids do not have the chance to learn up to the standards that others do. Ohhhh I could here the argument now. In fact, I can hear you making it!


I didn't say mass transit was to blame, I was making a comparison between the 2
Flaming_Maniac
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I think the biggest stereotyping here is that of the public education system.

In his book Malcom Gladwell makes an excellent argument that public education in poorer areas is largely as effective as the system in the well-to-do areas. By examining test data taken from the beginning of the year, just after summer break, and near the end of the year, it's clear that kids in poorer districts learn just as much as those in the richer districts. The only real discrepancy is that in the tests taken shortly after summer break, because the rich kids are apparently in an environment conducive to learning, surrounded by books and parents that are going to force them to take advantage of them to some degree. The poorer kids on the other hand sit around watching T.V. over the summer, not taking opportunities to learn either because their parents do not push them to do so or because they are not presented with the same opportunities that material wealth provides.

Throwing money at the situation is not the solution, for anyone. It is the culture of failure that by definition surrounds the schools in low-income areas.
AussieReaper
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lowing wrote:

lowing wrote:

It is a fact, just like it is a fact as soon as mass transit enters an area that is nice within a decade or so, the area goes to shit. Like it or not with these inner city kids WILL come trouble.
I didn't say mass transit was to blame, I was making a comparison between the 2
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lowing
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

lowing wrote:

It is a fact, just like it is a fact as soon as mass transit enters an area that is nice within a decade or so, the area goes to shit. Like it or not with these inner city kids WILL come trouble.
I didn't say mass transit was to blame, I was making a comparison between the 2
what part of "JUST LIKE" didn't you understand. It was a comparison, it was not an attempt at blame
lowing
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I think the biggest stereotyping here is that of the public education system.

In his book Malcom Gladwell makes an excellent argument that public education in poorer areas is largely as effective as the system in the well-to-do areas. By examining test data taken from the beginning of the year, just after summer break, and near the end of the year, it's clear that kids in poorer districts learn just as much as those in the richer districts. The only real discrepancy is that in the tests taken shortly after summer break, because the rich kids are apparently in an environment conducive to learning, surrounded by books and parents that are going to force them to take advantage of them to some degree. The poorer kids on the other hand sit around watching T.V. over the summer, not taking opportunities to learn either because their parents do not push them to do so or because they are not presented with the same opportunities that material wealth provides.

Throwing money at the situation is not the solution, for anyone. It is the culture of failure that by definition surrounds the schools in low-income areas.
I agree, a culture I do not want my kids exposed to. I am assuming niether does any other responsible parent that can take measures to prevent it. This is why segration is greater
Catbox
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Parents always ask and check out how the schools are when they move to a new area... it's a big part of their consideration on where they will live...
It sucks that there is a stereotype amongst inner city kids doing poorly in school... dropping out... violence... giving one another a hard time for trying to achieve good grades... but it's hard to argue the stats...
If you took one kid who wanted to learn from the inner city(and there are a lot) they would flourish with the opportunities afforded at the suburban schools... but sending kids who have no desire to learn or obey ordinary school rules.....
because somebody decided it seems like the right thing to do... is silly... 
On the other hand... i would be a bad parent if i sent my kid to a school i knew had gang...drug... or violence on a regular basis... 
reality sucks sometimes and isn't always fair...   
   
Its kinda like when you give someone a loan for a 450k townhouse when the person makes 11.00 and hour(True story...a guy i know)... 
reality sets in when he cant afford it... he lost the house because he couldn't pay...he walked away from the house.... and went back to renting... no harm no foul right?
just a housing meltdown which doesn't seem to be affecting many people at all...

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KEN-JENNINGS
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lowing wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Lowing have you ever seen the numbers for education money that goes to urban schools as opposed to suburban schools, even within the same school district?  Even when student populations are considered, urban schools on average get far less money than suburban schools.  That's one critical reason urban schools underperform.  Often teachers and other personnel struggle in these schools due to budget restraints, especially when funding is tied to performance.  One key reason parents often bus their kids to suburban schools is that those schools are better funded and have higher performance benchmarks.

No, wanting a good education for your kids is not inherently racist.  That's saved for comments like this:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Although I am not necessarilly a proponent of private school, my wife and I have been saving for our son to go because of the fact they are bringing in inner city children from Hartford to our schools. I agree with you Lowing.
Run from the inner city children white boy, run!  Heaven forbid the parents of inner city kids want their children to get good education too!
Cold reality eludes you as well I see, schools are funded by tax dollars fro mthe area they are in. When that area provides little income for the country there is no money for the school either. I guess now  Iam supposed to pay for my kids achool district as well as everyone elses, ya know, so they don't have to.
Cold reality?  Schools are funded in part by local tax dollars.  School budgets are also supplemented by the state, local development projects like housing (that's one reason suburban schools have, on average, better funding - new homes being built around them), sometimes federal funding, etc.  Cities and neighborhoods aren't self-sustaining entities whether you like it or not.  Welcome to America, don't let that cold reality knock you over.

lowing wrote:

You want t oshoot the messenger because of the message, the FACT is, like it or not, the choices Deeznutz faces is a very real concern and a very real problem for a family who can and should protect their family's best interests.
I don't want to shoot anyone.  I just am pointing out his own fear of "inner city kids".    You know, if you read my post instead of arguing against a position you think I hold, you would realize that I said there is no problem wanting the best for your kids; virtually all parents want the best for their kids lowing, not just you and Deez.  That's why those inner city kids are going to suburban schools - their parents want the best.

lowing wrote:

Already told Aussie and I will tell you, before you preach I want to see you take the high road and show us all how great inner city schooling is by sending your kids there and showing us how the fair. Until then, you have nothing to accuse anyone else of that you are not practicing yourself
Again, read my post before you tell me what position I hold and then argue against that position.  Seriously, did you read what I wrote?

the big bad KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Even when student populations are considered, urban schools on average get far less money than suburban schools.  That's one critical reason urban schools underperform.
Underperform. v. tr: To perform not as well as (something else)

For what it's worth I went to a Private and Public High School.  Way more drugs at my private high school and lower performance than the public high school I went to.

Quick, think of an argument that I didn't make and refute it!

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lowing
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

lowing wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Lowing have you ever seen the numbers for education money that goes to urban schools as opposed to suburban schools, even within the same school district?  Even when student populations are considered, urban schools on average get far less money than suburban schools.  That's one critical reason urban schools underperform.  Often teachers and other personnel struggle in these schools due to budget restraints, especially when funding is tied to performance.  One key reason parents often bus their kids to suburban schools is that those schools are better funded and have higher performance benchmarks.

No, wanting a good education for your kids is not inherently racist.  That's saved for comments like this:

Run from the inner city children white boy, run!  Heaven forbid the parents of inner city kids want their children to get good education too!
Cold reality eludes you as well I see, schools are funded by tax dollars fro mthe area they are in. When that area provides little income for the country there is no money for the school either. I guess now  Iam supposed to pay for my kids achool district as well as everyone elses, ya know, so they don't have to.
Cold reality?  Schools are funded in part by local tax dollars.  School budgets are also supplemented by the state, local development projects like housing (that's one reason suburban schools have, on average, better funding - new homes being built around them), sometimes federal funding, etc.  Cities and neighborhoods aren't self-sustaining entities whether you like it or not.  Welcome to America, don't let that cold reality hit you on the way out.

lowing wrote:

You want t oshoot the messenger because of the message, the FACT is, like it or not, the choices Deeznutz faces is a very real concern and a very real problem for a family who can and should protect their family's best interests.
I don't want to shoot anyone.  I just am pointing out his own fear of "inner city kids".    You know, if you read my post instead of arguing against a position you think I hold, you would realize that I said there is no problem wanting the best for your kids; virtually all parents want the best for their kids lowing, not just you and Deez.

lowing wrote:

Already told Aussie and I will tell you, before you preach I want to see you take the high road and show us all how great inner city schooling is by sending your kids there and showing us how the fair. Until then, you have nothing to accuse anyone else of that you are not practicing yourself
Again, read my post before you tell me what position I hold and then argue against that position.  Seriously, did you read what I wrote?

the big bad KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Even when student populations are considered, urban schools on average get far less money than suburban schools.  That's one critical reason urban schools underperform.
Underperform. v. tr: To perform not as well as (something else)

For what it's worth I went to a Private and Public High School.  Way more drugs at my private high school and lower performance than the public high school I went to.

Quick, think of an argument that I didn't make and refute it!
My property tax is what pays for the schools in my area. My taxes are governed by the area in which I live. I pay higher taxes and why? because I live in a more desireable place, away from the inner city bullshit. Pretty racist huh?
KEN-JENNINGS
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Did I call you racist anywhere in this thread?  No?  That's what I thought.

Quick, attribute another statement to me and argue against it!  Doesn't it get monotonous arguing with yourself?

Most likely more than your property taxes pay for the school in your area, but I can't be sure because I don't know where you live and frankly don't care.

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lowing
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Did I call you racist anywhere in this thread?  No?

Quick, attribute another statement to me and argue against it!  Doesn't it get monotonous arguing with yourself?
you mean my attitude is not racist? Since when? and I already argued against your post.
AussieReaper
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

I am NOT saying you are racist.

I am NOT saying you should stick your kids in a shit school.

I don't know how you are making these comparisons, I don't think you've read or understood the points I have made.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Did I call you racist anywhere in this thread?  No?

Quick, attribute another statement to me and argue against it!  Doesn't it get monotonous arguing with yourself?
He's trying to make us call him a racist, in a thread with zero to do with race. And when we don't he goes off on a tangent as if we did.

lowing wrote:

you mean my attitude is not racist? Since when? and I already argued against your post.
Lowing stop trying to make this thread about race. It's getting beyond awkward now.
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

I am NOT saying you are racist.

I am NOT saying you should stick your kids in a shit school.

I don't know how you are making these comparisons, I don't think you've read or understood the points I have made.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Did I call you racist anywhere in this thread?  No?

Quick, attribute another statement to me and argue against it!  Doesn't it get monotonous arguing with yourself?
He's trying to make us call him a racist, in a thread with zero to do with race. And when we don't he goes off on a tangent as if we did.

lowing wrote:

you mean my attitude is not racist? Since when? and I already argued against your post.
Lowing stop trying to make this thread about race. It's getting beyond awkward now.
Sighhhhhhhhh, do I really need to quote you when you said that I was entering the "realm of racism"?
KEN-JENNINGS
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lowing wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Did I call you racist anywhere in this thread?  No?

Quick, attribute another statement to me and argue against it!  Doesn't it get monotonous arguing with yourself?
you mean my attitude is not racist? Since when? and I already argued against your post.
You mean you argued against yourself.  That's a common thing with you lowing - you fail to comprehend an argument and instead make up your own, attribute it to the person you are debating then proceed to debunk it.

Bye, have fun arguing with yourself.  Trust me, it's a lot less fun than playing with yourself (although judging by the frequency you do the former, you probably get off on it).

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lowing
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

lowing wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Did I call you racist anywhere in this thread?  No?

Quick, attribute another statement to me and argue against it!  Doesn't it get monotonous arguing with yourself?
you mean my attitude is not racist? Since when? and I already argued against your post.
You mean you argued against yourself.  That's a common thing with you lowing - you fail to comprehend an argument and instead make up your own, attribute it to the person you are debating then proceed to debunk it.

Bye, have fun arguing with yourself.  Trust me, it's a lot less fun than playing with yourself (although judging by the frequency you do the former, you probably get off on it).
I am pretty sure I told you where my tax dollars from my property was going, and that it wqs funding my county's school.
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Ok, I'll attempt to get back to the OP.  I have 3 kids.  2 of them in elementary.  My wife and I had a discussion about sending them to the charter school in our town.  No this not the inner city, but bear with me.  We know that this newer school has excellent scoring and great teachers.  We are friends with the director.  We have heard nothing but good things about the place. 

My 10 year old would have loved to go there, she has been asking for years.  We said no.  Why?

My in-laws are both teachers, one is 7th grade and the other 3rd grade.  Many years ago my father in-law was talking about homeschooling and made a statement that I think of whenever schooling brought up:  "What happens to the school when you take out all the good kids?"  Now think about that for a bit...

We as parents chose to keep our kids in the public school system knowing full well that we could have isolated them from a lot of things.  Why would we do this?  I guess I diverged from my normally far right wing conservative self a bit on this one.  Maybe not though, as I would not want government to tell me where to send my kids, but am ok with making the decision myself.

So in summary, Lowing, I live in reality AND chose the higher ground.  I want my children to be examples to others, and maybe just maybe show some struggling kids that there is a different path for them.  Granted, it is not the inner city but I am pretty sure I would make a similar choice.  I wouldn't ship them into the inner city if I didn't live there, but I wouldn't ship them out if I did.
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lowing
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LividBovine wrote:

Ok, I'll attempt to get back to the OP.  I have 3 kids.  2 of them in elementary.  My wife and I had a discussion about sending them to the charter school in our town.  No this not the inner city, but bear with me.  We know that this newer school has excellent scoring and great teachers.  We are friends with the director.  We have heard nothing but good things about the place. 

My 10 year old would have loved to go there, she has been asking for years.  We said no.  Why?

My in-laws are both teachers, one is 7th grade and the other 3rd grade.  Many years ago my father in-law was talking about homeschooling and made a statement that I think of whenever schooling brought up:  "What happens to the school when you take out all the good kids?"  Now think about that for a bit...

We as parents chose to keep our kids in the public school system knowing full well that we could have isolated them from a lot of things.  Why would we do this?  I guess I diverged from my normally far right wing conservative self a bit on this one.  Maybe not though, as I would not want government to tell me where to send my kids, but am ok with making the decision myself.

So in summary, Lowing, I live in reality AND chose the higher ground.  I want my children to be examples to others, and maybe just maybe show some struggling kids that there is a different path for them.  Granted, it is not the inner city but I am pretty sure I would make a similar choice.  I wouldn't ship them into the inner city if I didn't live there, but I wouldn't ship them out if I did.
Ok so to be clear, if you lived in a school district where the school was full of gangs, drugs ,criminals, and violence, you would keep your kids there even if you could afford to have them go to a safer more productive school? When you move to an area, you d onot ask where the good schools are, you want to know where the most racially diverse school is regardless of reputaiton? Am I understanding this?
LividBovine
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lowing wrote:

Ok so to be clear, if you lived in a school district where the school was full of gangs, drugs ,criminals, and violence, you would keep your kids there even if you could afford to have them go to a safer more productive school?
Now there you go pushing things to the extreme end to get me to say NO.  Now to clarify your generalization of my intentions.  I would send my kids to the local school they are assigned to.  If I thought their life was in a reasonable amount of danger, I would choose differently.  Generalize that for me though Lowing.


lowing wrote:

When you move to an area, you d onot ask where the good schools are, you want to know where the most racially diverse school is regardless of reputaiton? Am I understanding this?
I choose not to isolate my kids from everything.  I take it upon myelf to make sure my kids are stong enough in character to not only survive in these situations but be able to set an example for others.
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lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Choosing the school to send your kids to based on the 'performance' of the school is fine.

Choosing the school to send your kids to based on the ethnic mix of its pupils is not.
I don't remember saying anything about keeping my kids out of schools due to race.
And I never said you did.

I was agreeing with you.
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So lowing, whats the grand solution?
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LividBovine wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ok so to be clear, if you lived in a school district where the school was full of gangs, drugs ,criminals, and violence, you would keep your kids there even if you could afford to have them go to a safer more productive school?
Now there you go pushing things to the extreme end to get me to say NO.  Now to clarify your generalization of my intentions.  I would send my kids to the local school they are assigned to.  If I thought their life was in a reasonable amount of danger, I would choose differently.  Generalize that for me though Lowing.


lowing wrote:

When you move to an area, you d onot ask where the good schools are, you want to know where the most racially diverse school is regardless of reputaiton? Am I understanding this?
I choose not to isolate my kids from everything.  I take it upon myelf to make sure my kids are stong enough in character to not only survive in these situations but be able to set an example for others.
1. This is not a generalization, this is the very question every parent asks when moving to an area ( that has a choice) Where are the good schools? Where is the best place to raise a family? THe answer to that question is hardly ever a black community with a majority black school. Sorry, it is the truth.  You would send your kids to the local school they were assigned to, well, so do I. I just make sure the school they are assigned to is not gangbanger high. YOu are trying to pass off that you are different because you send your kids to where ever they are assigned. You fail to admit you purposely search the area for a school district with a great reputation to move to.

2. THere is a difference between sheltering your kids, and keeping them from places they should not go. Am I sheltering my kids by keeping them from a rough nieghborhood? Robbing them of experiences because I don't push the chance of being robbed at gun point? In your eyes I guess I am.

My boys are 11 and 12, they love to shoot, they now own their own .22's, they love to fly, so they hang glide, they love to travel, so we get on airplanes and travel. My kids are not sheltered anymore than anyone else that has a choice not to put up with that inner city bullshit, so they don't. I guess your kids are not so lucky
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FatherTed wrote:

So lowing, whats the grand solution?
Here it is: There is none. It is time we all accept the realities of our existance, we are all different and it is pretty clear, generally, we do not want to put up with each others bullshit. SO stop trying to come up with some utopian scheme that is going to force us all together when we, generally speaking, do not want to be. There is segragation, live with it.


You want a solution, yet why is voluntary segration a problem, thet you see as needing a solution?

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LividBovine
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lowing wrote:

1. This is not a generalization, this is the very question every parent asks when moving to an area ( that has a choice) Where are the good schools? Where is the best place to raise a family? The answer to that question is hardly ever a black community with a majority black school. Sorry, it is the truth.  You would send your kids to the local school they were assigned to, well, so do I. I just make sure the school they are assigned to is not gangbanger high. YOu are trying to pass off that you are different because you send your kids to where ever they are assigned. You fail to admit you purposely search the area for a school district with a great reputation to move to.
I did not look at the schools in the area to make sure they were the best in the area.  I already told you that I also had/have the chance to move them to a safer school.  I did/will not though.  I am not trying to pass anything off.  I would choose to let my kids be exposed to those other kids and take comfort in knowing they may be helping out some other kids.  Hard to grasp I know.

lowing wrote:

2. THere is a difference between sheltering your kids, and keeping them from places they should not go. Am I sheltering my kids by keeping them from a rough nieghborhood? Robbing them of experiences because I don't push the chance of being robbed at gun point? In your eyes I guess I am.
I am not trying to shelter my kids, and I am not trying to put them in harms way (too much).  I feel that my and my kids responsibility goes further than just taking care of ourselves.  Simple as that.

lowing wrote:

My boys are 11 and 12, they love to shoot, they now own their own .22's, they love to fly, so they hang glide, they love to travel, so we get on airplanes and travel. My kids are not sheltered anymore than anyone else that has a choice not to put up with that inner city bullshit, so they don't. I guess your kids are not so lucky
Haven't bought my 10 year old her 22 yet (want to get her a bolt action open sight to learn with).  Teaching her the pellet gun first.  She can't wait to get in the deer stand with me next year.  She loves fishing camping and jet skiing.  Finally got the parents ski boat running, so we are going to do water-skiing this summer.  Guess they aren't that lucky.
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LividBovine wrote:

lowing wrote:

1. This is not a generalization, this is the very question every parent asks when moving to an area ( that has a choice) Where are the good schools? Where is the best place to raise a family? The answer to that question is hardly ever a black community with a majority black school. Sorry, it is the truth.  You would send your kids to the local school they were assigned to, well, so do I. I just make sure the school they are assigned to is not gangbanger high. YOu are trying to pass off that you are different because you send your kids to where ever they are assigned. You fail to admit you purposely search the area for a school district with a great reputation to move to.
I did not look at the schools in the area to make sure they were the best in the area.  I already told you that I also had/have the chance to move them to a safer school.  I did/will not though.  I am not trying to pass anything off.  I would choose to let my kids be exposed to those other kids and take comfort in knowing they may be helping out some other kids.  Hard to grasp I know.

lowing wrote:

2. THere is a difference between sheltering your kids, and keeping them from places they should not go. Am I sheltering my kids by keeping them from a rough nieghborhood? Robbing them of experiences because I don't push the chance of being robbed at gun point? In your eyes I guess I am.
I am not trying to shelter my kids, and I am not trying to put them in harms way (too much).  I feel that my and my kids responsibility goes further than just taking care of ourselves.  Simple as that.

lowing wrote:

My boys are 11 and 12, they love to shoot, they now own their own .22's, they love to fly, so they hang glide, they love to travel, so we get on airplanes and travel. My kids are not sheltered anymore than anyone else that has a choice not to put up with that inner city bullshit, so they don't. I guess your kids are not so lucky
Haven't bought my 10 year old her 22 yet (want to get her a bolt action open sight to learn with).  Teaching her the pellet gun first.  She can't wait to get in the deer stand with me next year.  She loves fishing camping and jet skiing.  Finally got the parents ski boat running, so we are going to do water-skiing this summer.  Guess they aren't that lucky.
1. really? So you are a guy that decides where to move to based on how much help your kids can bring to a school? very noble of you. Because we all know that is the first question asked. Where will my kids do the most good in a community?  Please forgive me if I call that bullshit.

2. MAybe you would consider taking some inner city gang bangers hunting and jet skiing with your family, ya know, so your kids can help them

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I have to agree... if you think your kids can be an example... maybe you could move to the hood and the whole family can be a beacon of light...
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