Lol @ meth being a modm3thod wrote:
He didn't say that. He's asking why the Jews have been persecuted? He has not stated it deserves to happen.sergeriver wrote:
You can't be fucking serious. Now it's Jews fault to be persecuted and hated, lol. You are implying it is in your statement.Dilbert_X wrote:
I'm asking why, wherever they go, people take a violent dislike to them.
I am not personally anti-semitic, I and my family have many connections with jewish people and families, but the fact is they have been apparently persecuted throughout history by every culture they have come into contact with.
Maybe you can explain it, without using the 'people are anti-semitic for some unknown reason' argument.
Its in everyone's interest to figure it out.
It may be a sensitive issue but i will not tolerate groundless accusations.
/uber mod m3th
In general people are ignorant things happening across the world aint interesting cause it wont have any large impact on us here. I am confident if i asked 10 people to describe the situation in Darfur most of em would only know "bad stuff" happens there If i asked about Gaza most likely everyone will know more and at least up here its very anti-Israel that would reflect their responses strongly.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Do you think people don't give a shit, or is it more of an agreeable thing (as in we all agree the genocide in Darfur is horrible), as opposed to the continous debate over Israeli/Palestinian action?madmurre wrote:
Some rocket info people should read from shitty old Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qa … et_attacks
gives a hint why Israel is getting tired of trying to please everyone and magically deal with Hamas among other asses at the same time.
Funny everyone screaming and pointing fingers at Israel when hardly anyone gives shit about the on going genocide in Sudan.
And I could just as easily provide a shoddy wiki link of Israeli attacks and tell people to chew on that, but really what does that accomplish?
It seems painfully obvious to me that any type of peace deal would have to be brokered by non-official channels from multiple factions including Palestinians, Arab nations, Israel and the US. There are a few questions though: Would the US back an Arab-fostored plan? Would an Arab plan include deconstructing Hamas? Would the US use diplomatic pressure to force Israel to accept terms?
That link just shows parts of Israel that been under constant rocket fire last 8 years. Recently in a small town in Sweden a father had his son bullied for several years the bully's hanged outside their farm throwing rocks threatening and all that basic stuff one time it was enough he took his rifle and shoot 2 of the kids down one of em died.
Its human nature you do several small acts keeps pushing but theirs a line when that is crossed you get a counter reaction in this case a man with his rifle against unarmed kids. This is of course just a small parallel but there are similarity's between the on going conflict it was just a matter of time before Israel decided to go hard.
Unfortunately the winner so far seems to be the warmongers Hamas i assume their support haven't been stronger than nowadays.
I dont think there will be any real peace in my lifetime, generations of kids are growing up next to hate and suffering this crap is bond to continue.
I dont agree with Israel but i can understand and see why they are responding as they do a shame though they couldn't see any other options.
I would be a great mod. Donations wouldn't mean shit for me. GTFO bitch and STFO.sergeriver wrote:
Lol @ meth being a modm3thod wrote:
He didn't say that. He's asking why the Jews have been persecuted? He has not stated it deserves to happen.sergeriver wrote:
You can't be fucking serious. Now it's Jews fault to be persecuted and hated, lol. You are implying it is in your statement.
It may be a sensitive issue but i will not tolerate groundless accusations.
/uber mod m3th
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
I agree.madmurre wrote:
In general people are ignorant things happening across the world aint interesting cause it wont have any large impact on us here. I am confident if i asked 10 people to describe the situation in Darfur most of em would only know "bad stuff" happens there If i asked about Gaza most likely everyone will know more and at least up here its very anti-Israel that would reflect their responses strongly.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Do you think people don't give a shit, or is it more of an agreeable thing (as in we all agree the genocide in Darfur is horrible), as opposed to the continous debate over Israeli/Palestinian action?madmurre wrote:
Some rocket info people should read from shitty old Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qa … et_attacks
gives a hint why Israel is getting tired of trying to please everyone and magically deal with Hamas among other asses at the same time.
Funny everyone screaming and pointing fingers at Israel when hardly anyone gives shit about the on going genocide in Sudan.
And I could just as easily provide a shoddy wiki link of Israeli attacks and tell people to chew on that, but really what does that accomplish?
It seems painfully obvious to me that any type of peace deal would have to be brokered by non-official channels from multiple factions including Palestinians, Arab nations, Israel and the US. There are a few questions though: Would the US back an Arab-fostored plan? Would an Arab plan include deconstructing Hamas? Would the US use diplomatic pressure to force Israel to accept terms?
That link just shows parts of Israel that been under constant rocket fire last 8 years. Recently in a small town in Sweden a father had his son bullied for several years the bully's hanged outside their farm throwing rocks threatening and all that basic stuff one time it was enough he took his rifle and shoot 2 of the kids down one of em died.
Its human nature you do several small acts keeps pushing but theirs a line when that is crossed you get a counter reaction in this case a man with his rifle against unarmed kids. This is of course just a small parallel but there are similarity's between the on going conflict it was just a matter of time before Israel decided to go hard.
Unfortunately the winner so far seems to be the warmongers Hamas i assume their support haven't been stronger than nowadays.
I dont think there will be any real peace in my lifetime, generations of kids are growing up next to hate and suffering this crap is bond to continue.
I dont agree with Israel but i can understand and see why they are responding as they do a shame though they couldn't see any other options.
One of the reasons Bush is so hated is because the press has been hating him from day one.
ok so if "using aggressive tactics to protect their troops" means killing 100 Palestinians for every 1 israeli, i guess thats not excessive....
So because one country (in your erroneous opinion) doesn't follow it, nobody else has to? Is that really what you're trying to say?Dilbert_X wrote:
Israel doesn't, and never has, because its not convenient, why should anyone else?FEOS wrote:
Or are you saying that countries/govts don't have to abide by the GC if it's not in their interests/convenient?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
We should start lopping off heads of captives, considering the insurgents are keen to it, after all, they do it, why not us?FEOS wrote:
So because one country (in your erroneous opinion) doesn't follow it, nobody else has to? Is that really what you're trying to say?Dilbert_X wrote:
Israel doesn't, and never has, because its not convenient, why should anyone else?FEOS wrote:
Or are you saying that countries/govts don't have to abide by the GC if it's not in their interests/convenient?
The Israelis have been doing exactly similar 'small acts' to the Palestinians for the last 60 years.Madmurre wrote:
This is of course just a small parallel but there are similarity's between the on going conflict it was just a matter of time before Israel decided to go hard.
Holding people up at checkpoints for 10 hours at a time, blockading their country so everone starves, random shelling, assassinations, summary executions in public, abducting and torturing, holding tens of thousands in prison without charge, invading and stealing bits of land here and there, bulldozing farmland and buildings, sniping at random civilians, siphoning water from under the feet of the Palestinians, flying supersonic at rooftop height on an hourly basis so no-one can sleep, pulling random people off the street and beating or killing them, the list is endless you just don't hear it.
And apart from that throwing the people off their land in the first place.
Israel hasn't even tried to follow it from day one, the Palestinians don't really have the option.FEOS wrote:
So because one country (in your erroneous opinion) doesn't follow it, nobody else has to? Is that really what you're trying to say?
Give them U$100bn in backdated military aid, 200 nuclear weapons and then we'll see a fair fight.
Israel summarily executes people too.MOAB wrote:
We should start lopping off heads of captives, considering the insurgents are keen to it, after all, they do it, why not us?
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Fuck Israel
Welsh Archbishop fury over bombed Gaza health clinic
These idf mofoz are out of control.
to summarize ;
http://www.churchinwales.org.uk/press/d … ?prid=4719The Archbishop of Wales, Dr Barry Morgan, has written to the Israeli Ambassador to London today (TUES) asking why a church-run healthcare clinic was bombed in Gaza over the weekend.
The Shij'ia Family Health Care Centre in Gaza City, run by the Near East Council of Churches (NECC), was destroyed by direct Israeli missile fire on Saturday night. There are fears too that the mobile dental clinic, also run by the NECC but funded by people in Wales, was also destroyed.
A telephone warning was given to evacuate the building within 15 minutes; the building was evacuated quickly, just before a warning shot was fired. That was followed by a direct hit from missiles fired by an Israeli air-force jet. This completely destroyed the building and its contents, including hundreds of thousands of pounds of medical equipment. There were no injuries in the attack. Nor was any reason for the attack given.
Dr Morgan said, “We find it incomprehensible and tragic that any armed forces anywhere in the world would want to destroy such a building, let alone the State of Israel with all its historic memories of oppression and genocide.
“To hear the news that the only health facilities in this part of Gaza have been destroyed, leaving the population of that area without any medical facilities at all, is horrendous. It does raise questions about the credibility of Israel’s values and purposes.
“There were 10, 836 families registered at this Shij’ia Clinic. They have effectively been removed of any hope of medical provision and support. It provided ante and post natal care, a well baby clinic, basic laboratory tests for malnutrition and anaemia, a pharmacy and the mobile dental clinic which is funded by the Church in Wales. It is hard to understand why Israel would allow, let alone commission, an attack on a facility which provides support mostly to young babies and their mothers.
“We have no reason to believe that this building was producing or distributing arms or being used as a base or launch pad for rockets sent into Israel. If there is evidence to the contrary we would like to see it. We are perplexed and shocked at this attack and are looking for an explanation for it from the Israeli Ambassador. ”
The Archdeacon of Margam, the Ven Philip Morris, who co-ordinates the Church in Wales Jubilee Fund for the NECC mobile dental clinic, said, "This is devastating news; we can only be thankful that nobody was killed or injured in the attack. I have visited the Family Health Centre on many occasions; it is very clearly marked as a Health Centre, and it is very obvious what its work is. However, this means that the front-line emergency care can no longer be given in that area of Gaza City.”
On Friday, Dr Morgan called for an immediate ceasefire to the hostilities between Israel and Gaza.
He said, “I am very concerned about the people in Gaza, including those we in the Church in Wales have worked with through the mobile dental clinic we fund. Having visited Gaza twice over the past few years I have seen the appalling conditions in which the people there live in what they consider normal circumstances, with no proper homes, sanitation or means of escape. Their lives are now unbearable as they come under daily fire and are too scared to even leave their homes. We have heard that it has now become too dangerous for our clinic, which was being used as a frontline hospital dealing with casualties, to continue its work.
"It is tragic that there is so much violence in an area known as the Holy Land. I believe the God in whose name these nations fight sheds tears at the violence and hatred show by both sides.
"It is time for the fighting to stop – enough children have died and enough homes have been destroyed and it is immoral for the world to stand by and do nothing. While understanding how Israel feels, surrounded as it is by Arab nations, the fact is that it is the stronger nation, both militarily and economically. As such, it needs to heed the UN resolution and Red Cross requests for it to stop the bombardments and for there to be a ceasefire. The scale of its attacks are disproportionate and likely to be counter productive, stirring up yet more hatred to be perpetuated by yet another generation of angry people.
"Frontline medical services in Gaza, such as the mobile dental clinic, are going to need urgent practical help once they are able to start working again which is why we are appealing for money for that fund. However, it is up to all of us who put our faith in God to work and pray for lasting peace and understanding in the area.”
These idf mofoz are out of control.
to summarize ;
“To hear the news that the only health facilities in this part of Gaza have been destroyed, leaving the population of that area without any medical facilities at all, is horrendous. It does raise questions about the credibility of Israel’s values and purposes.
“There were 10, 836 families registered at this Shij’ia Clinic. They have effectively been removed of any hope of medical provision and support. It provided ante and post natal care, a well baby clinic, basic laboratory tests for malnutrition and anaemia, a pharmacy and the mobile dental clinic which is funded by the Church in Wales. It is hard to understand why Israel would allow, let alone commission, an attack on a facility which provides support mostly to young babies and their mothers.
“We have no reason to believe that this building was producing or distributing arms or being used as a base or launch pad for rockets sent into Israel. If there is evidence to the contrary we would like to see it. We are perplexed and shocked at this attack and are looking for an explanation for it from the Israeli Ambassador. ”
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Israelis 'shot at fleeing Gazans'
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7828536.stm
I guess thats why the IDF don't want journalists in Gaza.
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7828536.stm
This has all been SOP for the IDF since its inception.Claims have been received by the BBC and an Israeli human rights group that Israeli troops have fired on Gaza residents trying to escape the conflict area. Israel has strongly denied the allegations.
BBC journalists in Gaza and Israel have compiled detailed accounts of the claims.
Some Palestinian civilians in Gaza say Israeli forces shot at them as they tried to leave their homes - in some cases bearing white flags.
One testimony heard by the BBC and human rights group B'tselem describes Israeli forces shooting a woman in the head after she stepped out of her house carrying a piece of white cloth, in response to an Israeli loudhailer announcement.
The Israeli military has dismissed the report as "without foundation".
The BBC has spoken to members of another family who say they are trapped in their home by fighting and have been shot at when they tried to leave to replenish dwindling water and food supplies, even during the three-hour humanitarian lull.
Israel is denying access to Gaza for international journalists and human rights monitors, so it is not possible to verify the accounts.
B'tselem said it had been unable to corroborate the testimony it had received, but felt it should be made public.
Munir Shafik al-Najar, of Khouza village in the south-east of the Gaza Strip, told B'tselem and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) of a series of events on Monday which he said left four members of his extended family dead.
He told the BBC that some 75 members of his extended family had ended up huddled in a house, surrounded by Israeli forces, after troops shelled the area and destroyed his brother's home on Sunday night.
On Monday morning, he said the family heard an announcement over a loudspeaker.
"The Israeli army was saying: 'This is the Israeli Defence Forces, we are asking all the people to leave their homes and go to the school. Ladies first, then men.'
"We decided to send the women first, two by two," he said.
First to step outside was the wife of his cousin, Rawhiya al-Najar, 48.
"The army was about 15 metres (50 feet) away from the house or less. They shot her in the head," he said.
The woman's daughter was shot in the thigh but crawled back inside the house, he said.
For several hours, the family telephoned the Red Crescent, human rights organisations and Palestinian Authority officials in Ramallah in the hope of co-ordinating safe passage to evacuate people injured in the earlier shelling, Mr Najar said.
Several hours later, no help had arrived.
"We decided that's it, we're going to die, we are [going] to run and all die at once," he said.
"When we did that they started shooting with heavy ammunition from a machine gun on top of a tank," he said.
All the adults carried white flags, he said, adding that he was still grasping a piece of white cloth as he spoke over the telephone a day later.
Three of his relatives, Muhammad Salman al-Najar, 54, Ahmad Jum'a al-Najar, 27, and Khalil Hamdan al-Najar, 80, were killed, he said.
The troops "knew this man was an old man," he said, because they were so close.
B'tselem says it is working to corroborate the account.
A second family member, Riad Zaki al-Najar, gave the BBC a similar account by telephone.
"They told us you all have to go to the centre of the town, where the school is.
"We put the women first, and we put our children on our shoulders, with white bandanas on their heads.
"When we were walking, with the women first, they saw soldiers and they started to shout to them, to tell them 'we have children, we have children'. They started to shoot us. My aunt was killed with a bullet in her head."
I guess thats why the IDF don't want journalists in Gaza.
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Fuck Israel
And just how is that, precisely?Dilbert_X wrote:
Israel hasn't even tried to follow it from day one, the Palestinians don't really have the option.FEOS wrote:
So because one country (in your erroneous opinion) doesn't follow it, nobody else has to? Is that really what you're trying to say?
Hamas absolutely has the option...they just choose not to. And Israel does follow it...even though, by the wording of the GC itself, they don't have to.
Weird.
What is your point? Who said there has to be a fair fight? Israel can't use the same tactics Hamas uses, Hamas can't use the same weapons Israel uses.Dilbert_X wrote:
Give them U$100bn in backdated military aid, 200 nuclear weapons and then we'll see a fair fight.
Oh...and who was it that gave Israel their nukes again?
Hint:Spoiler (highlight to read):
It wasn't the US
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
If Hamas followed the GC they would be wiped out on day one.
Thats the problem with fighting a guerrila war against a modern military.
The French resistance didn;t folow the GC, the US funded Afghans didn't follow the GC in their fight with Russia.
As Israel never has followed the GC, when they have all the advantages of a modern mechanised military, fighting people who are basically shepherds and farmers why should Hamas?
You just expect Hamas to stand up so they can be shot down, as Israel shoots down cvilians and Hamas alike, not recognising the situation for what it is.
Thats the problem with fighting a guerrila war against a modern military.
The French resistance didn;t folow the GC, the US funded Afghans didn't follow the GC in their fight with Russia.
As Israel never has followed the GC, when they have all the advantages of a modern mechanised military, fighting people who are basically shepherds and farmers why should Hamas?
You just expect Hamas to stand up so they can be shot down, as Israel shoots down cvilians and Hamas alike, not recognising the situation for what it is.
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Fuck Israel
Following the GC has nothing to do with whether or not it's convenient or the nature of your organization.Dilbert_X wrote:
If Hamas followed the GC they would be wiped out on day one.
Thats the problem with fighting a guerrila war against a modern military.
The French resistance didn;t folow the GC, the US funded Afghans didn't follow the GC in their fight with Russia.
As Israel never has followed the GC, when they have all the advantages of a modern mechanised military, fighting people who are basically shepherds and farmers why should Hamas?
You just expect Hamas to stand up so they can be shot down, as Israel shoots down cvilians and Hamas alike, not recognising the situation for what it is.
Following the GC has nothing to do with what's in your armory.
Following the GC has nothing to do with what's in your enemy's armory.
If your organization or country chooses not to follow the strictures of the GC (whether a signatory or not), then the other party(ies) are not obligated to follow the strictures of the GC (whether signatories or not).
So, by your logic, if a group/country decides the GC stands in the way of their objectives, they aren't required to follow them.
Then kindly STFU about any organization/country anywhere, anytime, doing anything that doesn't mesh with the GC.
You can't have it both ways.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Unless Israel totally occupies Gaza all Hamas has to do is lay low and survive. With only a semblance of Hamas left Hamas will win and will continue to indiscriminately lob rockets, smuggled in from Egypt, onto Israel in due time.
Face it international opinion is against Israel. Heck I wouldn't be surprised is international opinion would still be against Israel when Iran detonates a nuke in Israel and kills 90,000 - the world will say Israel provoked Iran and deserved it.
I support you Israel, if it matters, and I will urge my elected officials to support you.
I know you are not indiscriminately killing civilians, like Hamas does, and are only doing your best to limit your own casualties. Do your best to root out the evil cancer in Gaza and hopefully you and the Palestinians will be able to live peacefully with each other once they denounce Hamas.
Face it international opinion is against Israel. Heck I wouldn't be surprised is international opinion would still be against Israel when Iran detonates a nuke in Israel and kills 90,000 - the world will say Israel provoked Iran and deserved it.
I support you Israel, if it matters, and I will urge my elected officials to support you.
I know you are not indiscriminately killing civilians, like Hamas does, and are only doing your best to limit your own casualties. Do your best to root out the evil cancer in Gaza and hopefully you and the Palestinians will be able to live peacefully with each other once they denounce Hamas.
Just coz Israel has a kickass military doesn't mean they're assholes, just means they're kick ass. Simple formula, don't piss off Israel you won't get your ass whooped. And please, STFU about this fair fight bullshit, since when is war supposed to be fair and equal.
Well there you go, Israel never followed it, Hamas don't have to.FEOS wrote:
Following the GC has nothing to do with whether or not it's convenient or the nature of your organization.
Following the GC has nothing to do with what's in your armory.
Following the GC has nothing to do with what's in your enemy's armory.
If your organization or country chooses not to follow the strictures of the GC (whether a signatory or not), then the other party(ies) are not obligated to follow the strictures of the GC (whether signatories or not).
So stop griping about Hamas 'hiding amongst civilians' even though they are a civilian militia.
Fuck Israel
Lets see what the peace talks in Egypt brings, signals are both Hamas and Israel are willing to chat ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
No, thats not true, Hamas are Islamic nutballs who will never negotiate or recognise Israel.
Seriously, some good news for once.
Seriously, some good news for once.
Fuck Israel
It sounds like hamas is divided on a cease fire. The members that are in Gaza are supporting it and the ones living in Lebanon and Syria are opposing it saying they have Israel right where they want them.Dilbert_X wrote:
No, thats not true, Hamas are Islamic nutballs who will never negotiate or recognise Israel.
Seriously, some good news for once.
not sure if this has been posted yet, but its a live feed of Gaza city, from a news building facing east.
you'll need winamp or wmp to run it.
ive seen a couple of artillery strikes and an attack chopper, thraSK saw a HUGE flare go off yesterday.
you just need to turn the sound up on it and leave it idle, if you hear anything you can come back to it.
you'll need winamp or wmp to run it.
ive seen a couple of artillery strikes and an attack chopper, thraSK saw a HUGE flare go off yesterday.
you just need to turn the sound up on it and leave it idle, if you hear anything you can come back to it.
Yeah, Fox killed him.ATG wrote:
One of the reasons Bush is so hated is because the press has been hating him from day one.
More great work.
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7829912.stmThe UN's relief agency, Unrwa, says part of its HQ in the city is on fire after being shelled by the Israelis.
Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon expressed outrage at the attack, and said Israel had told him it was a grave mistake.
Speaking to reporters on the Israel-Gaza border, Unrwa spokesman Christopher Gunness said three of the agency's employees were hurt in the attack.
He said the compound was hit by what Unrwa believed to be three white phosphorus shells, which are incendiary weapons used as a smoke screen.
The Shurouq tower block in Gaza City, which houses the offices of the Reuters news agency and several other organisations, is hit by an explosion, injuring a journalist for the Abu Dhabi television channel
A boat carrying medical supplies to Gaza is surrounded by Israeli warships in international waters off Lebanon's southern coast and forced to return to Cyprus, according to charity Free Gaza
Fuck Israel
I thought it was it was because he's been a total fuckwit.ATG wrote:
One of the reasons Bush is so hated is because the press has been hating him from day one.
Fuck Israel
If anyone is interested
http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp? … -%202k%20-
Live stream from Gaza, may have been posted already not sure.
http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp? … -%202k%20-
Live stream from Gaza, may have been posted already not sure.
There is no such thing as a "civilian militia". By definition, a militia is not civilian.Dilbert_X wrote:
Well there you go, Israel never followed it, Hamas don't have to.FEOS wrote:
Following the GC has nothing to do with whether or not it's convenient or the nature of your organization.
Following the GC has nothing to do with what's in your armory.
Following the GC has nothing to do with what's in your enemy's armory.
If your organization or country chooses not to follow the strictures of the GC (whether a signatory or not), then the other party(ies) are not obligated to follow the strictures of the GC (whether signatories or not).
So stop griping about Hamas 'hiding amongst civilians' even though they are a civilian militia.
If we're just going to throw the GC out the window because it is inconvenient to your pro-Hamas position, then don't bitch about anything Israel does. You can't have your cake and eat it to. Either hold both sides to the same standard or hold neither side to any standard.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular