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"We will not rest until we destroy the Zionist entity," senior Hamas figure Fathi Hammad said

Imam Yousif al-Zahar of Hamas said in his sermon at the Katib Wilayat mosque in Gaza that "Jews are a people who cannot be trusted. They have been traitors to all agreements. Go back to history. Their fate is their vanishing."

Sheik Yunus al-Astal, a Hamas legislator and imam, in a column in the weekly newspaper Al Risalah in 2008 discussed a Koranic verse suggesting that "suffering by fire is the Jews' destiny in this world and the next." Astal concluded "Therefore we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews

Hamas Charter wrote:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

Last edited by rdx-fx (2009-01-13 08:49:01)

rdx-fx wrote:

Can someone explain to me how this is justified

Ottomania wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Can someone explain to me how this is justified;

It's not justified, Hamas are violent shits

rdx-fx wrote:

If you take Hamas at their word, they're not going to be happy until Israel is gone.

Then it seems like a good idea to do whatever can be done to stop people from wanting to join Hamas.

Every cruel act on Palestinians, makes them close to the Hamas, said a doctor at Gaza. He also blames Israel for raining missiles and artillery rounds instead of entering Gaza and fighting directly with Hamas. He claims that this action shows that they want to remove Palestinians.

Ottomania wrote:

SgtHeihn wrote:

Its very hard to to identify hamas when they wear civilian clothes and hide in houses, schools and mosques.

Then you can imagine it is much much harder to identify them before air strikes?

You will have a chance to spot them when they begin firing. And they wouldnt be able to stay without fighting when they see IDF in front of them.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

It seems painfully obvious to me that any type of peace deal would have to be brokered by non-official channels from multiple factions including Palestinians, Arab nations, Israel and the US.  There are a few questions though: Would the US back an Arab-fostored plan?  Would an Arab plan include deconstructing Hamas?  Would the US use diplomatic pressure to force Israel to accept terms?

Yesterday, Canada was the sole member of the UN Human Rights Council to vote against a resolution, which passed in a 33-1 vote, condemning Israel over its actions in Gaza.

    The vote crystallized Canada’s emergence under Stephen Harper’s government as one of Israel’s firmest supporters.

    At a meeting in Geneva, Canada asked for a recorded vote to emphasize its complaint that the resolution drafted by Arab, Asian and African countries did not recognize that Israel acted to stop Hamas rocket attacks.

    European countries abstained, along with Japan and South Korea, because they felt the resolution lacked balance - it gave only brief mention to rocket attacks. Neither Israel nor the United States are in the 47-member council.

Kmarion wrote:

OH! Canada
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Yesterday, Canada was the sole member of the UN Human Rights Council to vote against a resolution, which passed in a 33-1 vote, condemning Israel over its actions in Gaza.

    The vote crystallized Canada’s emergence under Stephen Harper’s government as one of Israel’s firmest supporters.

    At a meeting in Geneva, Canada asked for a recorded vote to emphasize its complaint that the resolution drafted by Arab, Asian and African countries did not recognize that Israel acted to stop Hamas rocket attacks.

    European countries abstained, along with Japan and South Korea, because they felt the resolution lacked balance - it gave only brief mention to rocket attacks. Neither Israel nor the United States are in the 47-member council.

rdx-fx wrote:

I'd love to hear your 'explanation'.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-01-13 16:13:01)

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

How would you recommend clearing Gaza of Hamas tunnels and rocket-associated infrastructure? Do you have an operational plan that will achieve that objective with zero civilian casualties, despite Hamas' strategy of placing civilians in harm's way for the propaganda value?

Simple enough, negotiate with them, apply diplomatic pressure, address the Israeli attacks on Gaza and vice versa.
Bombing is always the default position for you eh?

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

How well has negotiation worked thus far? How well has diplomatic pressure worked thus far?

Israel has refused to negotiate with Hamas thus far, hence they haven't tried.
They have tried blockading of the whole of Gaza - essentially turning it into a ghetto, a crude and counter-productive activity.

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

If Hamas were abiding by the GC, the number of civilian casualties in Gaza would very, very low.

For the umpteenth time, they are not a standing army, they are a police/militia organisation which has grown out of refugee camps.
If they abided by the GC they would have been destroyed years ago, there is not a level playing field here, they don't have tanks, helicopters, F16s etc. The biggest piece of equipment they have is RPGs.

Israel does not abide by the GC or the UN so they presume they don't need to either.

FEOS wrote:

You've said yourself the UN is pointless

FEOS wrote:

Or are you saying that countries/govts don't have to abide by the GC if it's not in their interests/convenient?

Harmor wrote:

Where was the U.N. when there where the 2,000 rocket attacks from Hamas?  (each one a war crime violating the GC)

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