BF2S Forums Legalize Marijuana

Dilbert_X wrote:

Less however many billion paying for dope induced car crashes, can't remember, doesn't each fatal car crash cost the state $1m in total?
Less however many billion paying welfare for people who can no longer hold down a job because they fail to get to work on Monday mornings
Less however much paying for the consequences of however many extra people develop schizonphrenia as a result of smoking dope
Less however many billions of lost GDP because people don't work so hard because 'I'm like chilled and everythings cool, take it easy and stop hassling me man, whats the big panic dude? You need to relax and chill....'

Alcoholics turn up late - if at all - the day after pay day (or dole day...), are susceptible to a plethora of physical and mental diseases, and aren't as productive due to hangovers.  Go figure.

And re: making your own liquor...its legal here.  The cost is 1/3 to 1/2 per bottle compared to the store-bought price.  While its cheaper than buying it from a liquor store, unless you're an enthusiast and/or a student its probably not worth the time you put into it.

Yes, there is a difference with spirits.
You're not allowed to own a still.

Turquoise wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Rommel wrote:

Total = $80 Billion Dollars the US Government now has available for something else.

Less however many billion paying for dope induced car crashes, can't remember, doesn't each fatal car crash cost the state $1m in total?
Less however many billion paying welfare for people who can no longer hold down a job because they fail to get to work on Monday mornings
Less however much paying for the consequences of however many extra people develop schizonphrenia as a result of smoking dope
Less however many billions of lost GDP because people don't work so hard because 'I'm like chilled and everythings cool, take it easy and stop hassling me man, whats the big panic dude? You need to relax and chill....'

FEOS wrote:

just like you can't have a still in your backyard, either.

Can't in the UK either.

Even if you add up all those costs, it's still cheaper than the costs of enforcing a ban and the costs that come with making a substance in high demand a prime criminal market with high profit.

Again, Prohibition pretty much destroys all logical support a ban should have for a relatively harmless substance like pot.

Keeping a ban in place for heroin and cocaine is more logical however.

I agree. 

And at whoever said it,, smoking marijuana does not cause schizophrania.

Uzique wrote:

¦TØP¦ Rommel1l wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Even if you add up all those costs, it's still cheaper than the costs of enforcing a ban and the costs that come with making a substance in high demand a prime criminal market with high profit.

Again, Prohibition pretty much destroys all logical support a ban should have for a relatively harmless substance like pot.

Keeping a ban in place for heroin and cocaine is more logical however.

I agree. 

And at whoever said it,, smoking marijuana does not cause schizophrania.

Shit, you can't even spell the word, I'm not taking your medical opinion over that of the academic studies

Turquoise wrote:

Keeping a ban in place for heroin and cocaine is more logical however.

Why so?
They are both pretty harmless if used correctly in their pure form.
Its the adulterated stuff which screws you up.
Keith Richards has the money to buy pure heroin and has done so for decades, seems to have turned out OK and made a reasonable success of himself.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-01-10 18:37:21)

Meth will finish anyone, but plenty of people function fine on heroin so whats the problem?
Just playing devils advocate here.

So only rich people can buy heroin, Ferraris, private jets.
Still don't see why it should be illegal.
Or cut out the middleman and it would be dirt cheap, problem solved.

Pot heads can get pretty ratty when they've been off it too.

Pubic wrote:

Alcoholics turn up late - if at all - the day after pay day (or dole day...), are susceptible to a plethora of physical and mental diseases, and aren't as productive due to hangovers.

Funny, I've only known one alcoholic in my life and he was a highly respected solicitor and champion cyclist.
Going to the pub was always a laugh 'I'll have two double vodkas and a pint of cider, now what about you?'

Jord wrote:

I doubt Heroin will ever be "dirt cheap". People will pay whatever as long as they get their fix, within reason.

If it were sold at cost by the govt it would be dirt cheap.

In my experience pot makes people aggressive and irrational when they are not on it.
According to Police officers I knew the most violent person was usually the drunk toker.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-01-10 19:13:09)

Dilbert_X wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Keeping a ban in place for heroin and cocaine is more logical however.

Why so?
They are both pretty harmless if used correctly in their pure form.
Its the adulterated stuff which screws you up.
Keith Richards has the money to buy pure heroin and has done so for decades, seems to have turned out OK and made a reasonable success of himself.

I see what you're saying, but we're talking odds here.

You're far more likely to get completely addicted to heroin than pot or alcohol.  However, nicotine supposedly has the same addictive qualities as heroin -- it just doesn't fuck you up anywhere near as much.

The point is...  the legality of a substance should be directly correlated to the legality of other substances with the same addiction levels.  Pot is less addictive than nicotine or alcohol, so it should be legal.

Heroin is a lot more addictive than any of the others, even nicotine, so it should remain illegal.

As you elaborated earlier, it is a matter of calculating the costs of legality vs. the costs of banning it.

N00bkilla55404 wrote:

Just thought id bring this up

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … 29.svg.png

where did that graph come from?

So cannabis is level with amphetamines for dependence, and ecstacy for physical harm.
Doesn't sound like the wonder safe addictionless drug everyone says it is.

Dilbert_X wrote:

So cannabis is level with amphetamines for dependence, and ecstacy for physical harm.
Doesn't sound like the wonder safe addictionless drug everyone says it is.

That graph is absolutely incorrect.

I don't have the time to find you the graphs/and #'s I have seen (I've seen alot that prove otherwise trust me) but cannabis ranks much lower in the areas of dependence, physical harm, withdrawal, and toxicity level below that of alcohol, nicotine, amphetamine, cocaine, and ecstasy.  Ecstasy/Alcohol ranked the worse for physcial harm, nicotine/heroin ranked the worse for withdrawal, Cocaine had the highest toxicity level.

Marijuana was barely even ranked compared to these drugs.  Ask anyone or do spend very little time researching it and you will see for yourself.

That graph is bs.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Don't you find it odd then that tobacco and alcohol are legal while pot isn't?  Both of them are listed as much more harmful and addictive than pot?

If they were invented today they would be illegal tomorrow, its that simple.

Rommel wrote:

I don't have the time to find you the graphs/and #'s I have seen

Need some counter info to be useful. Data from the Lancet is useful, your recollection not so much.

Give me a few and Ill round up some info.



Ok the 2 graphs I wanted to show you I am not able to find at the moment but I will post them when I find them.  Here are things to look over.



This 1st link is huge in the amounts of information there is too skim over. 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/126706/Why-Ma … d-be-Legal

2nd (this one's self explanatory)

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lib … phs/07.htm

3rd (deaths relating to drugs, hint,  marijuana = 0 deaths)

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lib … phs/08.htm

4th (another deaths chart)

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lib … phs/06.htm

5th (this link relates to the addictive additives in various drugs)

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lib … phs/28.htm

6th (another interesting graph)

7th (toxicity level of various drugs)

Last edited by ¦TØP¦ Rommel1l (2009-01-11 16:11:06)