Only problem is, none are British owned any more, as far as I know. Not sure about Ascari.jord wrote:
Sure are, thanks. I sure do love Bentleys, Jaguars, TVR's, Mini's, Rolls Royce's, Ascari A10 and the many other great cars we produce. Once again. thanks Marine.usmarine wrote:
yes because there are so many good british cars out there.Uzique wrote:
Perhaps they should start making good cars then .
are fords luxury cars in england? there is more to it than duties. its numbers. if they were sent over in large numbers, they would be cheaper i would assume.DrunkFace wrote:
Jags are typical family cars, Range Rovers are typical soccer mum cars. It's only the import duties that make them 'expensive' in the US.usmarine wrote:
yes because a typical family of four can drive a jag or aston.m3thod wrote:
Aston Martin
Jag
TVR
Rolls Royce
Bentley
Lotus
Range Rover
Morgan
Ascari are British.M.O.A.B wrote:
Only problem is, none are British owned any more, as far as I know. Not sure about Ascari.jord wrote:
Sure are, thanks. I sure do love Bentleys, Jaguars, TVR's, Mini's, Rolls Royce's, Ascari A10 and the many other great cars we produce. Once again. thanks Marine.usmarine wrote:
yes because there are so many good british cars out there.
Although the parts are from/assembled in different places.
And Noble use Mondeo engines, and the bodies are assembled in South Africa
TVR is based in Blackpool, no car is 100% from any 1 country. Even if you set up to build some nationalist car that was 100% English metals and plastics would end up coming from somewhere else. srslyM.O.A.B wrote:
Only problem is, none are British owned any more, as far as I know. Not sure about Ascari.jord wrote:
Sure are, thanks. I sure do love Bentleys, Jaguars, TVR's, Mini's, Rolls Royce's, Ascari A10 and the many other great cars we produce. Once again. thanks Marine.usmarine wrote:
yes because there are so many good british cars out there.
True, but like owned by a British company or person. TVR's owned by whatshisface, the Russian mobster.jord wrote:
TVR is based in Blackpool, no car is 100% from any 1 country. Even if you set up to build some nationalist car that was 100% English metals and plastics would end up coming from somewhere else. srslyM.O.A.B wrote:
Only problem is, none are British owned any more, as far as I know. Not sure about Ascari.jord wrote:
Sure are, thanks. I sure do love Bentleys, Jaguars, TVR's, Mini's, Rolls Royce's, Ascari A10 and the many other great cars we produce. Once again. thanks Marine.
Most others are owned by GM, Ford, BMW, Audi and VW
TVR are owned by a Russian business boy. To quote Clarkson.jord wrote:
TVR is based in Blackpool, no car is 100% from any 1 country. Even if you set up to build some nationalist car that was 100% English metals and plastics would end up coming from somewhere else. srslyM.O.A.B wrote:
Only problem is, none are British owned any more, as far as I know. Not sure about Ascari.jord wrote:
Sure are, thanks. I sure do love Bentleys, Jaguars, TVR's, Mini's, Rolls Royce's, Ascari A10 and the many other great cars we produce. Once again. thanks Marine.
But I agree with what you say, no car is 100 Nationalist. Body parts are made all over, engines come from different places, bodies are assembled all over.
It's funny that you mention those, because Ford owns/ed Jag, Aston Martin, Land/Range Rover, and Volvo.m3thod wrote:
Aston Martin
Jag
TVR
Rolls Royce
Bentley
Lotus
Range Rover
Morgan
I'll take Aston Martin DBS V12 over any yank car.
They're not very expensive. Especially not second hand (and your typical family will be buying second hand - in the UK 80%+ of new car sales are to businesses), they depreciate really fast. You can pick up a decent Jag, an X-Type or an XJ or something, for a few grand easily.usmarine wrote:
most families i know cant afford a jag as their family car.Bertster7 wrote:
Not an Aston, but the X-Type (amongst other Jags which are fine for families too) is a perfectly suitable car for a family of 4. I know several people who have one as their family car.
I was considering getting one myself, took a few test drives - but went for an Alfa in the end and am very glad I did.
If I was going for a family car, a Mondeo would be something I'd aim at.
i used to work for jag. ford pumped billion of dollars into that place, and still it was pissing money.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
It's funny that you mention those, because Ford owns/ed Jag, Aston Martin, Land/Range Rover, and Volvo.m3thod wrote:
Aston Martin
Jag
TVR
Rolls Royce
Bentley
Lotus
Range Rover
Morgan
I'll take Aston Martin DBS V12 over any yank car.
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
the x-type is a ford mondeo with a jag body shell.usmarine wrote:
most families i know cant afford a jag as their family car.Bertster7 wrote:
Not an Aston, but the X-Type (amongst other Jags which are fine for families too) is a perfectly suitable car for a family of 4. I know several people who have one as their family car.
its meant to compete with the bmw 3 series. lol
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
I can agree with this bailout a whole lot more than the trillions that Wall Street is getting. I want a few trillion dollars with no strings attached...
I hate the 3 series. Massively overated. Don't have a nice feel to them. I'd rather drive a Mondeo.m3thod wrote:
the x-type is a ford mondeo with a jag body shell.usmarine wrote:
most families i know cant afford a jag as their family car.Bertster7 wrote:
Not an Aston, but the X-Type (amongst other Jags which are fine for families too) is a perfectly suitable car for a family of 4. I know several people who have one as their family car.
its meant to compete with the bmw 3 series. lol
In any case, the Jag engines are massively different to the Mondeo engines.
Although all this is fairly irrelevant since they're Indian anyway aren't they? Though that isn't stopping them asking the British government for a bail out.
I agree with Lee 100%.Kmarion wrote:
Chrysler did + interest. But I don't see anymore Lee Iacocca's in Detroit. It's no wonder that the title of his book was "Where Have All the Leaders Gone?"Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
It's gonna suck when these companies don't pay the loans back.Lee Iacocca's book wrote:
http://www.slatereport.info/LeeIacocca.html
"Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course"
Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned "Titanic". I'll give you a sound bite: "Throw all the bums out!"
You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore.
The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of the "America" my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?
I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have.
I'm afraid however, that he is talking about the same revolution I have been talking about.
The question is, how do we get it done without violence?
Maybe they realised that keeping these companies alive was better for the grander scheme
Except only for a little while, all this will do is prolong the inevitable, unless it works out. It might work out, you never know. Give it a few years, things might be back to normal (yeah right)
Except only for a little while, all this will do is prolong the inevitable, unless it works out. It might work out, you never know. Give it a few years, things might be back to normal (yeah right)
2008 European Car of the Year finalistM.O.A.B wrote:
http://sgdavid.files.wordpress.com/2007 … 2008-3.jpg
If I was going for a family car, a Mondeo would be something I'd aim at.
Last year the Ford S-Max won the European car of the year. I hadn't even heard of it until then..lol.
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Ford Says, "we don't need your money.... yet"
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id … _article=1
I tip my hat to the good folks at Ford.
*edit: I think that instead of the Auto rescue, the EPA emission laws need a serious retooling. Let the 80mpg ford types be sold over here. They'll go like hotcakes.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id … _article=1
I tip my hat to the good folks at Ford.
*edit: I think that instead of the Auto rescue, the EPA emission laws need a serious retooling. Let the 80mpg ford types be sold over here. They'll go like hotcakes.
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I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Hmm.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … gD9543DRO0
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … gD9543DRO0
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … QD955RP680Paulson wrote:
2 days ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said Tuesday that he does not expect any more major financial institutions to fail during the current credit crisis.
Paulson also said he has no current plans to ask Congress to make the second half of the $700 billion financial rescue fund available before the Bush administration leaves office on Jan. 20
What a douchebag. I get the feeling people are so disgusted that they aren't even paying attention to what he is saying now.Paulson wrote:
5 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said Friday that Congress will need to release the last half of the $700 billion rescue fund because the first $350 billion has been committed.
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Wait. What? That's kinda of a big flip. Hesues Cristo -he was that far off?Kmarion wrote:
Hmm.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … gD9543DRO0http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … QD955RP680Paulson wrote:
2 days ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said Tuesday that he does not expect any more major financial institutions to fail during the current credit crisis.
Paulson also said he has no current plans to ask Congress to make the second half of the $700 billion financial rescue fund available before the Bush administration leaves office on Jan. 20What a douchebag. I get the feeling people are so disgusted that they aren't even paying attention to what he is saying now.Paulson wrote:
5 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said Friday that Congress will need to release the last half of the $700 billion rescue fund because the first $350 billion has been committed.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Why do I get the feeling that if the gov't is skimming a few billion off the wallstreet bailout, that the wallstreet bailout number was a little too high?
The problem is only partially that fiscal resposibility and accountability have gone to shit.
The greater problem - the one that could kill this country - is that everybody and their brother is now heading to D.C. to get their handout.
Automakers, Airlines, State of California.
"Gee, why make the tough decisions and learn a little fiscal responsibility?! Nah.. We'll just go get a handout from D.C. and let someone else pay for our screwups."
If you can't succeed in the marketplace, get the fuck out of the way, and let a new company with a better business model have a go at it. THAT is capitalism.
FFS, I thought this state sponsored industry bullshit went out with the Soviets.
The greater problem - the one that could kill this country - is that everybody and their brother is now heading to D.C. to get their handout.
Automakers, Airlines, State of California.
"Gee, why make the tough decisions and learn a little fiscal responsibility?! Nah.. We'll just go get a handout from D.C. and let someone else pay for our screwups."
If you can't succeed in the marketplace, get the fuck out of the way, and let a new company with a better business model have a go at it. THAT is capitalism.
FFS, I thought this state sponsored industry bullshit went out with the Soviets.
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It just tells me that Paulson is way over his head.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Wait. What? That's kinda of a big flip. Hesues Cristo -he was that far off?Kmarion wrote:
Hmm.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … gD9543DRO0http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … QD955RP680Paulson wrote:
2 days ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said Tuesday that he does not expect any more major financial institutions to fail during the current credit crisis.
Paulson also said he has no current plans to ask Congress to make the second half of the $700 billion financial rescue fund available before the Bush administration leaves office on Jan. 20What a douchebag. I get the feeling people are so disgusted that they aren't even paying attention to what he is saying now.Paulson wrote:
5 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said Friday that Congress will need to release the last half of the $700 billion rescue fund because the first $350 billion has been committed.
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A lot of the world engages in it to a degree. Granted, it's usually not on the level of $700 billion.rdx-fx wrote:
FFS, I thought this state sponsored industry bullshit went out with the Soviets.
The only positive side to this is that at least they didn't commit anymore money than would already be spent due to the previous bailout.
Still, I would agree that it's bullshit.