Flaming_Maniac
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The reason America has been so successful in its history, even including its smooth inception and early transitions, is because it relies on the skill and wisdom of the best. Monarchies and dictatorships rely on the skills of maybe the top three people, not the top three thousand. Communism and socialism done right rely on smothering the best, in both spirit and means to do well. Contrary to popular belief in communism done right, communism brings out the worst in us. Communism where religion is nonexistent, outside influences are nil, and the last ruler has stamped out domestic opposition for at least two generations. It’s not good in theory and poor in practice as people love to say - it reduces humans to little more than robots in theory and any corruption of the theory makes things even worse in practice.

America has always played to the few strengths man as a whole has; the people with vision and motivation to get what they want. America doesn’t rely on their generosity, and it certainly doesn’t rely on their altruism. As great as these people might be, their motivations are still just as selfish as the rest of us, but so long as the best interests of the nation align with their best interest there is no problem. True in many cases the best can still come into positions of power, be it money, influence, or direct authority and have very corrupt motivations, but that corruption does create some level of dissent from the populace that makes it easier for the next guy to kick the incumbent out.

If you aren’t optimistic in humans as a whole, fine, flatten out the highs and lows. Just don’t have any poorly conceived notions that individualism is barbaric and that basing your society on the lowest common denominator is a step towards a utopia. You paint the world in black and white, while the rest of us are willing to put up with some brown to make the oranges and yellows stand out.
Flecco
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Wtf is the point of this thread? This is a western forum...

Most of us on here do believe in survival of the fittest afaik.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Zukabazuka
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"The reason America has been so successful in its history, even including its smooth inception and early transitions, is because it relies on the skill and wisdom of the best"
Like getting black people and use them as slavery and pay them shit?

Religion, people follow blind faith and will aid the president if he is a believer, not only that more than 50% believe in a god so if you wanna win something you might as well convert now and then try to be president, it worked for Bush.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
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Flecco wrote:

Wtf is the point of this thread? This is a western forum...

Most of us on here do believe in survival of the fittest afaik.
1 - find lowing post
2 - read lowing post
3 - read responses to lowing post
4 - come back and tell me most believe in survival of the fittest

Zukabazuka wrote:

"The reason America has been so successful in its history, even including its smooth inception and early transitions, is because it relies on the skill and wisdom of the best"
Like getting black people and use them as slavery and pay them shit?
Precisely.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Wtf is the point of this thread? This is a western forum...

Most of us on here do believe in survival of the fittest afaik.
1 - find lowing post
2 - read lowing post
3 - read responses to lowing post
4 - come back and tell me most believe in survival of the fittest
So apart from the 2-3 people who chased him up on that, most people here do.

Next: I'd hardly call 2 civil wars a smooth path to get where you are today. Australia didn't need either to become a reasonably productive, if relatively small nation.

The 'American Revolution' was a civil war and I will maintain it was a civil war until the day I die. British citizens fighting other british citizens = civil war Poseidon.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
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Flecco wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Wtf is the point of this thread? This is a western forum...

Most of us on here do believe in survival of the fittest afaik.
1 - find lowing post
2 - read lowing post
3 - read responses to lowing post
4 - come back and tell me most believe in survival of the fittest
So apart from the 2-3 people who chased him up on that, most people here do.

Next: I'd hardly call 2 civil wars a smooth path to get where you are today. Australia didn't need either to become a reasonably productive, if relatively small nation.

The 'American Revolution' was a civil war and I will maintain it was a civil war until the day I die. British citizens fighting other british citizens = civil war Poseidon.
lol not 2-3, most. There are a handful of conservatives on this forum, some even who disagree with lowing quite a bit, and the rest are liberals that wish him an untimely and painful death.

When you take into account the uniqueness of the concept at conception, the less than two and a half centuries we have been around, and our current position on the world stage I woulds ay it has been a smooth path. Maybe it's not nice steamrolled blacktop, but it certainly could have been a lot worse.
462nd NSP653
Devout Moderate, Empty Head.
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

lol not 2-3, most. There are a handful of conservatives on this forum, some even who disagree with lowing quite a bit, and the rest are liberals that wish him an untimely and painful death.

When you take into account the uniqueness of the concept at conception, the less than two and a half centuries we have been around, and our current position on the world stage I woulds ay it has been a smooth path. Maybe it's not nice steamrolled blacktop, but it certainly could have been a lot worse.
Here, here!

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FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6788|so randum
i don't think time has any factor in americas development cycle, you wern't dropped off as helpless stone-agers
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BVC
Member
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Communism doesn't recognise the talents of the individual.
AussieReaper
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I don't think America has ever had it easy, you've had to fight for your freedoms every step of the way.
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Scorpion0x17
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

the rest are liberals that wish him an untimely and painful death.
Where do I sign up?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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FatherTed wrote:

i don't think time has any factor in americas development cycle, you wern't dropped off as helpless stone-agers
No we left under protest, and against the ideas of a national church (etc). However our society was largely influenced by the ideas previously written in the Magna Carta.
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Scorpion0x17
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

I don't think America has ever had it easy, you've had to fight for your freedoms every step of the way.
And the rest of the world hasn't?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

I don't think America has ever had it easy, you've had to fight for your freedoms every step of the way.
And the rest of the world hasn't?
Defensive? He didn't say others haven't.
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Scorpion0x17
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Kmarion wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

I don't think America has ever had it easy, you've had to fight for your freedoms every step of the way.
And the rest of the world hasn't?
Defensive? He didn't say others haven't.
Not defensive, no - just asking for clarification of his statement.
Freke1
I play at night... mostly
+47|6835|the best galaxy
So democracy with some corruption is teh winnar? You could be right.
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unnamednewbie13
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Zukabazuka wrote:

"The reason America has been so successful in its history, even including its smooth inception and early transitions, is because it relies on the skill and wisdom of the best"
Like getting black people and use them as slavery and pay them shit?
Sold by black people to white people then resold to other white people.



Pubic wrote:

Communism doesn't recognise the talents of the individual.
That must've been why the Soviet space program failed so bad...

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-12-14 17:26:53)

Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6995|67.222.138.85

FatherTed wrote:

i don't think time has any factor in americas development cycle, you wern't dropped off as helpless stone-agers
Rome wasn't built in a day. It had a foundation to be built on for sure, but that doesn't mean the interesting part was ready-made.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

I don't think America has ever had it easy, you've had to fight for your freedoms every step of the way.
Easy is not the point. Successful is.

Freke1 wrote:

So democracy with some corruption is teh winnar? You could be right.
Leaving the elite largely to their own devices is teh winnar.
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6441|what

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

And the rest of the world hasn't?
Defensive? He didn't say others haven't.
Not defensive, no - just asking for clarification of his statement.
Well, as Flecco said Australia hasn't fought a Civil war or a War of Independence. The US has had to and come out the better because of it. I'm not saying in anyway the US is special in that regard, more that Australia has been fortunate in that regard. But when I say the US has come out the better because of it, there's still elements of your society that Australia lacks, such as a Bill of Rights.

You gained your Bill of Rights by fighting for it.

The US hasn't had it easy, the rest of the world hasn't had it easy either. But the US has always managed to better itself after times of hardship. Here's hoping the same can be said with the current recession your going through.
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Scorpion0x17
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Defensive? He didn't say others haven't.
Not defensive, no - just asking for clarification of his statement.
Well, as Flecco said Australia hasn't fought a Civil war or a War of Independence. The US has had to and come out the better because of it. I'm not saying in anyway the US is special in that regard, more that Australia has been fortunate in that regard. But when I say the US has come out the better because of it, there's still elements of your society that Australia lacks, such as a Bill of Rights.

You gained your Bill of Rights by fighting for it.

The US hasn't had it easy, the rest of the world hasn't had it easy either. But the US has always managed to better itself after times of hardship. Here's hoping the same can be said with the current recession your going through.
Not my Bill of Rights, etc...

But anyway, yeah Australia is one of the few (only?) countries to have not had to fight for what they now have.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6817|Global Command
I see the point and the deep thinking behind it FM, but the post had all the charisma of a drowned cat.

You need to put some populism behind those notions, make it easier to read and less eye blurring and consider running for office.

srs.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6759
Yawn thread; sounds like a (badly) written passage you'd attach to singing the national anthem in elementary school.

Get a better understanding of Communism as a political theory too, you cannot praise the values of America's system when you do not comprehensively understand the alternatives. Oh, and world history. And sentence construction. And everything else.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6693|North Carolina
Regardless of the government involved, the worst in human nature is most often exhibited once people acquire power.

The only saving grace to our system is that we're so factionalized via special interests that most of the rich and powerful spend more time fighting each other than they do oppressing us.  It's when the rich and powerful actually work together that we get fucked hardest -- like with the bailouts.

So, it's not survival of the fittest -- it's survival of the richest, but that's true of every system mankind has come up with since we left the caves.  Before survival of the richest came about, it was survival of the most brutal.

Survival of the fittest only applies to animals below our intellect.  With humans, it's never been that way except in the rarest of situations.
Home
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Zukabazuka wrote:

"The reason America has been so successful in its history, even including its smooth inception and early transitions, is because it relies on the skill and wisdom of the best"
Like getting black people and use them as slavery and pay them shit?
Precisely.
You think that was wise? Bringing a huge chunk of the population to this nation as slaves has caused nothing but conflict, and it will continue to do that for probably another 100 years. It provided cheap labor that fueled almost the entire economy of the South before the civil war, but even that wasn't beneficial in the long run because all those jobs could have gone to American citizens (reducing poverty) which also could have possibly prevented the civil war from happening in the first place. Other countries such as the Netherlands accepted a higher degree of cultural diversity, and became incredibly economically strong. We would be better off today if slavery hadn't happened.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Zukabazuka wrote:

"The reason America has been so successful in its history, even including its smooth inception and early transitions, is because it relies on the skill and wisdom of the best"
Like getting black people and use them as slavery and pay them shit?
Sold by black people to white people then resold to other white people.

Have to love the one guy who always tries to divert responsibility by bringing up this fact.

Last edited by Home (2008-12-15 00:19:32)

AussieReaper
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Home wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Zukabazuka wrote:

Like getting black people and use them as slavery and pay them shit?
Sold by black people to white people then resold to other white people.

Have to love the one guy who always tries to divert responsibility by bringing up this fact.
Nothing makes slavery right.
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