Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6527|Brisneyland
A Professor of atmospheric science debunks the myths that climate change sceptics frequently use.
Source

Prof Geller wrote:

Solar physicists and climate scientists agree that while the sun affects climate (they) cannot account for the last several decades' warming trend without including human influences," he said
According to Professor Geller, solar radiation varies in an 11-year solar cycle but it has changed only one-tenth of 1 per cent since 1978 when solar satellite measurements began.
According to Professor Geller, sceptics are incorrect when they claim CO2 cannot cause warming as it comprises only a small, though increasing, fraction of the atmosphere.

In fact, CO2 is highly reactive in the atmosphere, he said. "Just because it's a small fraction doesn't mean it's unimportant. If you don't believe me, try surviving in a room with a small concentration of cyanide gas."
Every time global warming is mentioned sceptics come up with the same arguments against it. This professor has pretty much nailed those arguments too. Where will the sceptics go now?
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6457|what

The skeptics usually say that global warming isn't a man made phenomenon because the Earth must have warmed naturally because we came out of an Ice Age (or the several ice ages lol) so it obviously heats up and cools down at various points in time of it's own accord.

You only have to see the Polar ice caps deterioration to note however, that they are shrinking faster now than ever before and to points that they had never melted in the past.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina
Maybe we could just move all global warming skeptics to coastal areas.  If they don't see the current trends as a problem, they shouldn't have any problem with living in areas most likely to be affected by global warming.
mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|6959

There will always be skeptics, so I say just ignore them. People still think we haven't landed on the moon ffs
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7011|67.222.138.85

Turquoise wrote:

Maybe we could just move all global warming skeptics to coastal areas.  If they don't see the current trends as a problem, they shouldn't have any problem with living in areas most likely to be affected by global warming.
"Do you want us to give you beach-side property now, or what will be beach-side property in ten years?"
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Maybe we could just move all global warming skeptics to coastal areas.  If they don't see the current trends as a problem, they shouldn't have any problem with living in areas most likely to be affected by global warming.
"Do you want us to give you beach-side property now, or what will be beach-side property in ten years?"
LOL
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6885|the dank(super) side of Oregon
jesus created dinosaurs evolution jews global warming to test our faith.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7021
It's funny how it goes back and forth... in the 50s there was a coming global freeze... now it's going to get warm... The reality is we are probably not hurting the earth much at all...it cleans itself
... we "are" killing each other by the pollution we make... dumping in rivers and oceans... and throwing dangerous chemicals away... companies pay fines for dumping and do so just as a price of doing business... that's what needs to be targeted... what we as people can fix... I and nobody else on this site or science in general can say for a fact what's happening with the earth... they can test temperatures and measure this or that...they have only been measuring these things for a brief amount of time in terms of earths existence... so it's educated guessing....

and i think that more people would be onboard if it wasn't promoted by doosh rockets like Al Gore...lol... the hypocrite that he is...
I was watching the Ludicrous and Tommy Lee show on being green (Battleground Earth on Planet Green) and they seem to be trying to raise awareness without the condescending attitudes... it's a great show... and funny
http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/03/31/tomm … net-green/
Love is the answer
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6527|Brisneyland
@ Catbox. Although the earth does clean itself as you said, we are messing it up at a rate that it cant compensate for.
You are also spot on regarding pollution though.

Its a shame that Al Gore may have done his cause harm just for being a Democrat ( and a doosh). Still He has probably done more good than harm ( even if he is a hypocrit).

Scary thing is that the first wave of Climate change refugees has already begun

wiki wrote:

In 2005, half of Bhola Island in Bangladesh became permanently flooded, leaving 500,000 people homeless. The Bhola Islanders have been described as some of the world's first climate refugees[7]. In 2007, a Bangladeshi scientist stated: "We're already seeing hundreds of thousands of climate refugees moving into slums in Dhaka."[8] These refugees were fleeing flooded coastal areas.

The inhabitants of the Carteret Islands in Papua New Guinea are also among the first climate refugees due to sea level rise attributed to global warming and climate change[9] [10]. Other inhabitants of low lying islands and Island states, are also at risk. Tuvalu, Kiribati and the Maldives are especially susceptible to changes in sea level and storm surges[11] [12] [13].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_refugee
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6410|eXtreme to the maX

Catbox wrote:

we are probably not hurting the earth much at all...it cleans itself
The problem is removing humans may well be the first step in the cleaning process, which could take millions of years to equilibrate.

I'm convinced of global warming being a man-made problem.

Even if you're only 50:50 why take the risk?
Fuck Israel
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6527|Escea

Dilbert_X wrote:

Catbox wrote:

we are probably not hurting the earth much at all...it cleans itself
The problem is removing humans may well be the first step in the cleaning process, which could take millions of years to equilibrate.

I'm convinced of global warming being a man-made problem.

Even if you're only 50:50 why take the risk?
Enhanced global warming is a man-influenced issue

Global warming (the most coined phrase) is the natural version.

Man does have an effect on the earth, but the world isn't going to melt in like ten years time.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6750|The Land of Scott Walker

Dilbert_X wrote:

I'm convinced of global warming being a man-made problem.
What about all the women?  Hairspray is eating the ozone layer tbh.
jord
Member
+2,382|6982|The North, beyond the wall.
The small effect we have on the climate doesn't warrant at least 2 threads a day I have to scroll past and the 3 news reports a week that I have to find the remote and change channel for.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6304|...
All professors act the same way when they talk about their favorite subject.
inane little opines
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

Burwhale the Avenger wrote:

Every time global warming is mentioned sceptics come up with the same arguments against it. This professor has pretty much nailed those arguments too. Where will the sceptics go now?
http://schnittshow.newsradio610.com/globalwarming.html . The newest topics will be at the bottom. The professor better get busy.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6527|Brisneyland

jord wrote:

The small effect we have on the climate doesn't warrant at least 2 threads a day I have to scroll past and the 3 news reports a week that I have to find the remote and change channel for.
Actually the forums have been pretty quiet regarding climate change for a while now. Its not a small effect ( if you could be bothered to read any of the evidence).If you dont like the topic you dont have to contribute.

dayarath wrote:

All professors act the same way when they talk about their favorite subject.
Do you dispute anything that he said??

Stingray wrote:

What about all the women?  Hairspray is eating the ozone layer tbh.
Actually that shouldnt be happening anymore. Which proves that humans do have the power to fix the problems that we create. If it was a problem still then the women can use other alternatives:
https://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo49/burwhale/Cameron_Diaz_Something_About_Mary1.jpg
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7066

meh..... mass hysteria for nothing.
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6854|UK

I have noticed that they dont seem to say ''global warming'' anymore, tis always climate change.

The climate of the planet changes all the time, and, man is certainly having an influence on it, but, I am a bit skeptical that it's as much as they tout it out as being really.
Freke1
I play at night... mostly
+47|6851|the best galaxy
I would welcome some global warming, but some say an iceage is comming:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st … 83,00.html
so even the scientists aren't in agreement.

here's a graph over the past temperature:
https://www.scotese.com/images/globaltemp.jpg

I have no idea what will happen.
https://bf3s.com/sigs/7d11696e2ffd4edeff06466095e98b0fab37462c.png
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6979|Canberra, AUS
Any skeptics still not convinced will have a snowball's chance in hell of being convinced by this guy (though his work is highly commendable - it's just a question of how much can one guy do given that most of the scientific world has already failed).

Take it from me.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
madmurre
I suspect something is amiss
+117|7015|Sweden
In the end ( speaking in a very long time ) theres nothing we can do other than accept islands/coasts come and go we need to be flexible and adapt for changes that certainly will come man made or not.
Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6751|Boulder, CO

Bell wrote:

I have noticed that they dont seem to say ''global warming'' anymore, tis always climate change.

The climate of the planet changes all the time, and, man is certainly having an influence on it, but, I am a bit skeptical that it's as much as they tout it out as being really.
They say climate change because the although the temperature of the world will rise on average, not everywhere will get this rise. For example Britain will effectively become canada if the ice at the north pole continues to melt at this rate simply because the increased water will move the gulfstream away from Britain leaving it as cold as it should be considering its position on the earth. By saying climate change it takes into account all the aspects of the global change rather than just the increased average temperature.

Also Freke1, that graph suggests we should be coming out of an ice age rather than going into an ice age. You also have to take more factors than just temperature into account to get the full picture, e.g. the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmospher, the amount of ice left at the poles (has a massive effect on temperature, less ice will reflect away less heat causing increased temperatures and vice versa) as well as other things like the amount of green life on the earth at this time compared to the other periods in the earths history.

/can't wait till I actually start my degree in earth and environmental science next year.

Last edited by Noobeater (2008-12-07 06:35:02)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6750|The Land of Scott Walker
Assuming, for the sake of argument, global warming/climate change is caused by man, does anyone honestly think the human race has the power to reverse it?

Edit: If you believe we do have the power to reverse climate change, how would we go about accomplishing the reversal?

Last edited by Stingray24 (2008-12-07 16:49:53)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6886|SE London

Stingray24 wrote:

Assuming, for the sake of argument, global warming/climate change is caused by man, does anyone honestly think the human race has the power to reverse it?

Edit: If you believe we do have the power to reverse climate change, how would we go about accomplishing the reversal?
No.

Slow it down a bit, lessen the damage - probably.
Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6751|Boulder, CO

Stingray24 wrote:

Assuming, for the sake of argument, global warming/climate change is caused by man, does anyone honestly think the human race has the power to reverse it?
We could possibly reverse it quicker than the earth would do so on its own, but that depends solely on the effect that climate change would have on the earth and to what extent humanity remains (we will survive whatever happens, its just the amount of us and the resources/landscape left that determines what sort of society we could have i.e. a smallish (1 billion people or under I would say) population would probably not have the same level of technological/scientific abilities as we currently do whilst larger populations would.). If the very very worst happens and most of us are killed then after a generation or two then yes we probably could start to change it back, slowly and over thousands of years probably.

Though the chances of climate changes results being that extreme are probably incredibly unlikely, at most i would personally think it would eradicate maybe 2 billion people.(thats through major flooding/loss of land from other things like temperature changes (cold here, what about elsewhere) and the several wars that would undoubtably happen over the remaining land and resources.

To be quite honest whatever we do to this planet short of moving its orbit (no idea how or why) or physically blowing it apart would only affect it for a very short period of its lifespan and it would be back to normal service soon enough. Its only us and other lifeforms we're harming, though we would adapt and evolve as would any surviving species.

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