no one needs to knowUzique wrote:
Should gay men be allowed to join the military then?jsnipy wrote:
Don't you think sexual tension could evolve? Don't a substantial number of people fall in love at their place of work? Would these tensions not be disruptive?Roc18 wrote:
The team? How could a woman more qualified than a man hurt the team if she is more qualified? and Why wouldnt you get the job?
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Should women be allowed to serve in the infantry?
| Yes | 52% | 52% - 48 | ||||
| No | 47% | 47% - 44 | ||||
| Total: 92 | ||||||
Tamil TigersParker wrote:
there is a reason that armies do not have females in infantry roles.
Yep, sure.jsnipy wrote:
Sure. I don't think you would find a great deal of two way attraction in that scenario (assuming the majority of men are not homosexual). It could be argued that a gay man could be considered a liability, but I do not feel it would be the same situation as a woman. Different thread perhaps.Uzique wrote:
Should gay men be allowed to join the military then?jsnipy wrote:
Don't you think sexual tension could evolve? Don't a substantial number of people fall in love at their place of work? Would these tensions not be disruptive?
But it could also be assumed that the majority of infantry men aren't going to be insta-attracted to another individual just because they have a vagina. I'm sure letting women into the infantry wouldn't drive the (married and settled) men into some sexual frenzy in the middle of a tour. Of course there would be some cases, but I'm sure gay dudes get a lot of ass because of sexual frustration in similar military situations too... just look at the Navy.
*Shudders*
I'm not saying they do, I'm just scrutinizing his argument in a logical manner.Gooners wrote:
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armies.jsnipy wrote:
Tamil TigersParker wrote:
there is a reason that armies do not have females in infantry roles.
not militant organizations.
shit, they use kids in combat roles as well.
let me rephrase;
there is a reason that professional armies do not have females in infantry roles.
In an ideal world, yes they should.
today, no way.
today, no way.
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I understand you point but I still disagree strongly, if someone's life is on the line in a war I think the last thing they will be thinking about is fucking.jsnipy wrote:
Don't you think sexual tension could evolve? Don't a substantial number of people fall in love at their place of work? Would these tensions not be disruptive?Roc18 wrote:
The team? How could a woman more qualified than a man hurt the team if she is more qualified? and Why wouldnt you get the job?jsnipy wrote:
Point taken. But it is not all about individual ability, its about the team. Say I'm qualified to be a PR person; with tons of experience and great references. I feel passionate about equal right and I want to be the local PR spokesperson for the local NAACP, would I get the job?
edit: and men don't get pregnant.
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imo, its not a whether or not a soldier would be attracted to a female....Uzique wrote:
But it could also be assumed that the majority of infantry men aren't going to be insta-attracted to another individual just because they have a vagina. I'm sure letting women into the infantry wouldn't drive the (married and settled) men into some sexual frenzy in the middle of a tour. Of course there would be some cases, but I'm sure gay dudes get a lot of ass because of sexual frustration in similar military situations too... just look at the Navy.
its the fact that as males, it is an INSTINCT to try and protect females. behavior learned over thousands of years that is ingrained in our very existence....and thats without attraction.
like i said, anything that complicates a combat situation is a liability.
Instinct huh? Its every soldiers obligation to protect other soldiers. I wish I can take a room of war veterans and ask them if they would prefer a woman that can protect thier ass in a war or a man who cant.Parker wrote:
imo, its not a whether or not a soldier would be attracted to a female....Uzique wrote:
But it could also be assumed that the majority of infantry men aren't going to be insta-attracted to another individual just because they have a vagina. I'm sure letting women into the infantry wouldn't drive the (married and settled) men into some sexual frenzy in the middle of a tour. Of course there would be some cases, but I'm sure gay dudes get a lot of ass because of sexual frustration in similar military situations too... just look at the Navy.
its the fact that as males, it is an INSTINCT to try and protect females. behavior learned over thousands of years that is ingrained in our very existence....and thats without attraction.
like i said, anything that complicates a combat situation is a liability.
i know, its crazy right?Roc18 wrote:
Instinct huh?
indeed it is.Roc18 wrote:
Its every soldiers obligation to protect other soldiers.
however the fear is that direct orders would be disobeyed to protect a female soldier.
you know, its that whole instinct thing i was talking about
better yet, why dont you ask them if they would rather have a male quadriplegic or a competent female...Roc18 wrote:
I wish I can take a room of war veterans and ask them if they would prefer a woman that can protect thier ass in a war or a man who cant.
OR, ask them if they think the current SOP is OK, or if they think it would be a good idea to ADD MORE COMPLICATIONS TO A COMBAT SITUATION...
simplicity in a combat situation=good.
there is no other way for me to say that.
ted said it best imho
+1 ted
+1 ted
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Parker all I hear is "men will be distracted", "men will disobey orders", "men have primal instinct to protect women" (Bullshit, its a social instinct... just look at middle eastern and many Asian countries), "men blah blah...". From all that, my only logical conclusion is that men are the liability and that men should be banned from infantry as they seem to be the ones who can't do their job properly.
EDIT: I also disagree with practically everything you have said about 'men'.
EDIT: I also disagree with practically everything you have said about 'men'.
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too fucking true.DrunkFace wrote:
Parker all I hear is "men will be distracted", "men will disobey orders", "men have primal instinct to protect women" (Bullshit, its a social instinct... just look at middle eastern and many Asian countries), "men blah blah...". From all that, my only logical conclusion is that men are the liability and that men should be banned from infantry as they seem to be the ones who can't do their job properly.
in fact, lets have one giant army that has their fucking cycle all at once.
and i never defined the "instinct", so im not sure who that part is directed towards.
DrunkFace wrote:
I also disagree with practically everything you have said about 'men'.
now, care to elaborate?
Currently, women are infantry on a support level. I think that is good enough.
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If this were an argument of ideals then yes.
But with logic the answer is no. Or in other words what Parker said.
But with logic the answer is no. Or in other words what Parker said.
She always has when needed.
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I think women have their places in the military. Positions in recon or spec ops are possible because most women are smaller, lighter, and nimble and can crawl through ducts and fit in confined area. In addition, women tend to have better communication and reasoning skills so having them behind dispatched would be good too. Their natural instinct of caring and nurturing would also make them ideal candidates for medic positions. It's all about identifying each gender's key areas and utilizing those assets effectively.
However for physical labor intensive military units such as foot infantry, navy seals beach to shore landings in negative degree weathers, etc.. men would be ideal 99.9% of the time.
However for physical labor intensive military units such as foot infantry, navy seals beach to shore landings in negative degree weathers, etc.. men would be ideal 99.9% of the time.
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As long as the women have to pass the same tests as the men to get into the infantry then I don't see it being a problem. Female cops have been on the "frontline" for years dealing with the scum of the earth and getting shot at, so what's the difference?
I base my opinion on having served 9 years in the Military, including active service in the Gulf (Desert Storm).
I base my opinion on having served 9 years in the Military, including active service in the Gulf (Desert Storm).
Yes they should, with the understanding of one standard and no special needs, rights, or privileges, are granted.deeznutz1245 wrote:
This, for some reason, was the after dinner topic at Thanksgiving. I tried my best to drown out the conversation and watch football with my boy, but I eventually put in my two cents. My answer is no. Your thoughts?
You should be fine.... just don't tell anybody...lol... j/kUzique wrote:
Should gay men be allowed to join the military then?jsnipy wrote:
Don't you think sexual tension could evolve? Don't a substantial number of people fall in love at their place of work? Would these tensions not be disruptive?Roc18 wrote:
The team? How could a woman more qualified than a man hurt the team if she is more qualified? and Why wouldnt you get the job?
and women should be able to do what they wan't...but the reality is....that it opens up a can of worms... being treated differently... men protecting the women more... physical reasons... and possible rape upon capture... it's a good question...
Love is the answer
I want to say yes, but there are practical reasons for them not to. Female POW's being easy targets of sexual interrogation techniques...we need women to breed and having them shot at won't help...potential for distraction at inopportune moments. Of course, having never served my perspective isn't perhaps the best.
IDK, ask the vets.
IDK, ask the vets.
Well here is the thing, if your thinking about getting laid while you are engaged in combat, then YOU are the problem and not the women.Pubic wrote:
I want to say yes, but there are practical reasons for them not to. Female POW's being easy targets of sexual interrogation techniques...we need women to breed and having them shot at won't help...potential for distraction at inopportune moments. Of course, having never served my perspective isn't perhaps the best.
IDK, ask the vets.
Read Bravo Two Zero if you haven't already. It is a story about a SAS patrol that got captured in Iraq during Desert Storm. They got badly beaten up but there biggest fear was being raped and none of them were women.Pubic wrote:
I want to say yes, but there are practical reasons for them not to. Female POW's being easy targets of sexual interrogation techniques...we need women to breed and having them shot at won't help...potential for distraction at inopportune moments. Of course, having never served my perspective isn't perhaps the best.
IDK, ask the vets.
ERM?
Yes.
Yes.
i would like to know what GS thinks. or others who have served as infantry.
- Well said.lowing wrote:
Well here is the thing, if your thinking about getting laid while you are engaged in combat, then YOU are the problem and not the women.
- Sorry Parker, but please get a realistic view of people and not stereotypical views.
- Men in the army already rape civilians so you can't argue that view
- Men can be raped just as easily
- All I know is that if the girl can kick my ass and kill me....I'd rather not
- This is a very bad place to ask this question considering 98% of the people on here are minors, average civilians, couch potatoes, or have never served in the military or done anything more than speak to a cop outside of getting a ticket.
- I'd rather have a competent girl than an incompetent guy
- Like it's been said before, If you're getting wood while shits being blown up by your head and you see your friends getting shot because you're looking at Sgt. Lacy May's ass, then you need to be taken out of the army and possibly charged with team endangerment.
- Stop having stereotypical/judgmental/sexist/preconceived views