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M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

The Germans elected Hitler, that make him good?

Gimme a fucking break mate... are you seriously comparing Hugo Chavez to Hitler.

Get real.

Gitmo to a concentration camp perhaps?

Point being, which you've overlooked, is that democratically electing someone does not make them all good and jolly. Chavez is immensely unpopular with just about every country outside of South America because he acts like an asshole. The King of Spain told him to stfu for crying out loud during a public conference.

I wouldn't compare it to a concentration camp but I would compare it to the internment without trial prisons of Northern Ireland during the troubles where human rights were held just as highly.

The fact is Chavez was elected by the people and as it stands more people want him in than want him out. The US claims to be the great champion of democracy and yet it happily lent covert assistance to the group who tried to undemocratically topple Chavez's Government, even going so far as to give them safe harbour in Florida after escaping on a US registered plane.

Your claim that the whole world hates Chavez is ridiculously exaggerated, the whole world doesn't care too much about him to be honest... it's just the US that thinks he's the big bad wolf. Why can't the US just mind it's own business?

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Gitmo to a concentration camp perhaps?

Point being, which you've overlooked, is that democratically electing someone does not make them all good and jolly. Chavez is immensely unpopular with just about every country outside of South America because he acts like an asshole. The King of Spain told him to stfu for crying out loud during a public conference.

I wouldn't compare it to a concentration camp but I would compare it to the internment without trial prisons of Northern Ireland during the troubles where human rights were held just as highly.

The fact is Chavez was elected by the people and as it stands more people want him in than want him out. The US claims to be the great champion of democracy and yet it happily lent covert assistance to the group who tried to undemocratically topple Chavez's Government, even going so far as to give them safe harbour in Florida after escaping on a US registered plane.

Your claim that the whole world hates Chavez is ridiculously exaggerated, the whole world doesn't care too much about him to be honest... it's just the US that thinks he's the big bad wolf. Why can't the US just mind it's own business?

Why can't others mind their own buisness rather than following what the US does all the time so they can pick fault?

If the US minded its own business perhaps we all could, eh?

...circular argument.

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Why can't others mind their own buisness rather than following what the US does all the time so they can pick fault?

If the US minded its own business perhaps we all could, eh?

...circular argument.

Not really, being the top dog the US has to do what most other countries wouldn't, but won't do and therefore takes all the flak as well. The US is expected to put issues right, stop things from occuring, but also gets ragged on if it does, or if it doesn't. God only knows why people throw such a hissy fit over one prison in Cuba when there's things going on in this world about a hundred times worse.

Typical arrogant "Team America Fuck Yeah" attitude... I guess we won't have to keep ragging on you for much longer when China starts taking over.

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

If the US minded its own business perhaps we all could, eh?

...circular argument.

Not really, being the top dog the US has to do what most other countries wouldn't, but won't do and therefore takes all the flak as well. The US is expected to put issues right, stop things from occuring, but also gets ragged on if it does, or if it doesn't. God only knows why people throw such a hissy fit over one prison in Cuba when there's things going on in this world about a hundred times worse.

Typical arrogant "Team America Fuck Yeah" attitude... I guess we won't have to keep ragging on you for much longer when China starts taking over.

Take a look at Africa before complaining about Gitmo.

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Not really, being the top dog the US has to do what most other countries wouldn't, but won't do and therefore takes all the flak as well. The US is expected to put issues right, stop things from occuring, but also gets ragged on if it does, or if it doesn't. God only knows why people throw such a hissy fit over one prison in Cuba when there's things going on in this world about a hundred times worse.

Typical arrogant "Team America Fuck Yeah" attitude... I guess we won't have to keep ragging on you for much longer when China starts taking over.

Take a look at Africa before complaining about Gitmo.

I'll complain about both thank you very much... two wrongs don't make a right. Africa is a different ball game altogether to Gitmo, sorting out the human rights violations of Gitmo is within the capabilities of America, sorting out Africa is not.

Braddock wrote:

Pug wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Go on then, 37 reasons... let's hear them.

Or are you too embarrassed to list off the pathetic so called reasons you invaded Iraq now?

If you can prove to me the WORLD supports Iran's insurgency in Iraq, then I won't think you're a looney.  In the meantime, it's not up to me to defend US' involvement in Iraq, as you also have google and there's plenty of information about the invasion you are conveniently ignoring.

In the meantime if you can't prove to me the WORLD supports Iran's insurgency in Iraq, then your comparison to US' involvement FAILS.

Am I embarrassed?  No, I'm disappointed.

Now go back to your America non-hatred or whatever you call it.

Are you saying the WORLD supports America's occupation of Iraq? Because I seem to remember record numbers of people marching in protest around the world and two coalition of the willing Government's losing power as a result of it.

The WORLD did at one time.  Remember we are talking about the initial invasion.

Keep focusing on the US instead of the Iran half of the equation.  GJ.

Well, I would have to say there was some support in terms of troops sent.

Still waiting on how the world is lining up behind Iran to help undermine the Iraqi government...chirp chirp chirp

Braddock wrote:

Pug wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Are you saying the WORLD supports America's occupation of Iraq? Because I seem to remember record numbers of people marching in protest around the world and two coalition of the willing Government's losing power as a result of it.

The WORLD did at one time.  Remember we are talking about the initial invasion.

Keep focusing on the US instead of the Iran half of the equation.  GJ.

The WORLD did not at any time support the invasion. Most Governments, including the likes of Germany and France, did not support the invasion and called for further diplomacy, citing that the inspectors had not even finished giving their findings and many other Governments just steamrolled over public opinion and supported it anyway (and paid the price at the next election e.g. Spain and Australia). Public support around the world was not with the Americans I'm afraid... maybe you've never stepped outside Texas, I don't know, but for the last 8 years a lot of Americans have been pretending to be Canadian over here.

When you are talking about Germaney's, France's and Russia's opposing the invasion of Iraq, do you think they were being idealistic and high-minded, or trying to protect and cover up the fact that they were breaking UN sanctions and the Oil-for-Food policy by trading weapons and ammunition, as well as banned infrascruture to Iraq in exchange for free oil piped to foreign refineries in Syria?

And while I know you were not talking to me, I have stepped foot outside Texas in the last 8 years.  I never claimed I was from any other nation than the US, but since I was in a US army uniform, there was little doubt anyway.