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Is Iran pursuing Nuclear Technology for Weapons?

Yes78%78% - 84
No21%21% - 23
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Braddock
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Owned his ass, but Saddam was there to take Kuwait. The Iraq war is not about colonising Iraq.
That's not how a lot of Iraqis and many other Arabs look at it. That big fuck off embassy you guys are building sure screams 'imperialism' at me.
So then every embassy around the world screams that and every country is guilty of being imperialistic? That places will need to be extremely fortified, Iraq is still dangerous at times. You don't build something likely to fall apart in a warzone.
https://www.hatingitmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/embassyiraq.JPG

...behold, the biggest embassy in the history of the world. That's bigger than most Presidential residencies.

Last edited by Braddock (2008-11-24 15:13:42)

M.O.A.B
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Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:


That's not how a lot of Iraqis and many other Arabs look at it. That big fuck off embassy you guys are building sure screams 'imperialism' at me.
So then every embassy around the world screams that and every country is guilty of being imperialistic? That places will need to be extremely fortified, Iraq is still dangerous at times. You don't build something likely to fall apart in a warzone.
http://www.hatingitmagazine.com/wp-cont … syiraq.JPG

...behold, the biggest embassy in the history of the world. That's bigger than most Presidential residencies.

M.O.A.B wrote:

You don't build something likely to fall apart in a warzone or be overrun.
Pug
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Braddock wrote:

Why? It wasn't for weapons of mass destruction and it wasn't because he was a credible threat to US security so why did they invade?
Hey, you brought it up...time for you to defend your point.  I think there was like 37 reasons...which you are ignoring.
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:


So then every embassy around the world screams that and every country is guilty of being imperialistic? That places will need to be extremely fortified, Iraq is still dangerous at times. You don't build something likely to fall apart in a warzone.
http://www.hatingitmagazine.com/wp-cont … syiraq.JPG

...behold, the biggest embassy in the history of the world. That's bigger than most Presidential residencies.

M.O.A.B wrote:

You don't build something likely to fall apart in a warzone or be overrun.
Ya you build a palace with its own nuclear reactor lol
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Braddock
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Pug wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Why? It wasn't for weapons of mass destruction and it wasn't because he was a credible threat to US security so why did they invade?
Hey, you brought it up...time for you to defend your point.  I think there was like 37 reasons...which you are ignoring.
Go on then, 37 reasons... let's hear them.

Or are you too embarrassed to list off the pathetic so called reasons you invaded Iraq now?
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Braddock wrote:

Why? It wasn't for weapons of mass destruction and it wasn't because he was a credible threat to US security so why did they invade?
jesus fucking christ this argument is getting very cOLD.

explain why clinton bombed the piss out of him first, then we will answer your questions.
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usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Why? It wasn't for weapons of mass destruction and it wasn't because he was a credible threat to US security so why did they invade?
jesus fucking christ this argument is getting very cOLD.

explain why clinton bombed the piss out of him first, then we will answer your questions.
Why should I be explaining why your country is continually fucking with Iraq... how about you explain why Clinton bombed the piss out of him?
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Braddock wrote:

how about you explain why Clinton bombed the piss out of him?
because he didnt comply with the UN cease fire rules.  next
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usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

how about you explain why Clinton bombed the piss out of him?
because he didnt comply with the UN cease fire rules.  next
So countries who consistently contravene UN resolutions get fucked... when's Israel's turn to bend over? Now there's a country who did illegally build a stockpile of WMD's.

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usmarine
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Braddock wrote:

So countries who consistently contravene UN resolutions get fucked... when's Israel's turn to bend over?
i dunno.  dont blame me because the UN is useless.
usmarine
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can you stick to one fucking country for a change brad?  i mean honestly.
Braddock
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usmarine wrote:

can you stick to one fucking country for a change brad?  i mean honestly.
Not when I'm talking about inconsistent, bullshit foreign policies. If the US just came out and admitted they fucked with Iraq for purely selfish reasons I'd respect them more tbh because they can't expect people to buy the whole "world police" line when they apply one rule for one country and another rule for everyone else.
usmarine
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Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:

can you stick to one fucking country for a change brad?  i mean honestly.
Not when I'm talking about inconsistent, bullshit foreign policies. If the US just came out and admitted they fucked with Iraq for purely selfish reasons I'd respect them more tbh because they can't expect people to buy the whole "world police" line when they apply one rule for one country and another rule for everyone else.
"if the US"

since when do you listen to or believe politicians?  seems you only believe what they say when it helps your argument.
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usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

So countries who consistently contravene UN resolutions get fucked... when's Israel's turn to bend over?
i dunno.  dont blame me because the UN is useless.
Whose vetoes do you think render the UN useless on the issue of Israel?
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Braddock wrote:

Whose vetoes do you think render the UN useless on the issue of Israel?
dont hate the playa, hate the game.
Braddock
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usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Whose vetoes do you think render the UN useless on the issue of Israel?
dont hate the playa, hate the game.
I don't hate America... I just hate what it does sometimes, there's a big difference!
M.O.A.B
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Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:

can you stick to one fucking country for a change brad?  i mean honestly.
Not when I'm talking about inconsistent, bullshit foreign policies. If the US just came out and admitted they fucked with Iraq for purely selfish reasons I'd respect them more tbh because they can't expect people to buy the whole "world police" line when they apply one rule for one country and another rule for everyone else.
You see here's the issue, you want them to admit to what you think they did, which isn't the case. Besides the whole Iraq war for oil argument is just getting old and I've yet to see massive amounts of oil being shipped soley to the US from Iraq.
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:

can you stick to one fucking country for a change brad?  i mean honestly.
Not when I'm talking about inconsistent, bullshit foreign policies. If the US just came out and admitted they fucked with Iraq for purely selfish reasons I'd respect them more tbh because they can't expect people to buy the whole "world police" line when they apply one rule for one country and another rule for everyone else.
You see here's the issue, you want them to admit to what you think they did, which isn't the case. Besides the whole Iraq war for oil argument is just getting old and I've yet to see massive amounts of oil being shipped soley to the US from Iraq.
I'm beyond second guessing the US at this stage... Iraq was such a fuck up it's hard to guess what the real reason was but the fact remains that the US's policy of intervention is consistently inconsistent! You invaded Iraq because of the threat of WMD's and nukes and while you were making a mess in the desert Kim Yong Il went out and got himself a nuke. You criticize Iran for meddling in Iraqi affairs while you yourselves currently occupy the country with thousands of troops. You talk about the threat of Iran developing nukes and criticize them for not being above board with nuclear watchdogs and the UN while unconditionally supporting Israel - a nation that secretly built up a huge cache of nukes behind the watchdog's back. You criticize countries like Venezuela for being supposedly undemocratic while supporting despotic regimes and dictators who don't give the slightest thought to democracy.

Now when it comes to Iran it's "the boy who cried wolf" syndrome, people are getting tired of listening to you and this time the threat might very well be credible.
M.O.A.B
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Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Not when I'm talking about inconsistent, bullshit foreign policies. If the US just came out and admitted they fucked with Iraq for purely selfish reasons I'd respect them more tbh because they can't expect people to buy the whole "world police" line when they apply one rule for one country and another rule for everyone else.
You see here's the issue, you want them to admit to what you think they did, which isn't the case. Besides the whole Iraq war for oil argument is just getting old and I've yet to see massive amounts of oil being shipped soley to the US from Iraq.
I'm beyond second guessing the US at this stage... Iraq was such a fuck up it's hard to guess what the real reason was but the fact remains that the US's policy of intervention is consistently inconsistent! You invaded Iraq because of the threat of WMD's and nukes and while you were making a mess in the desert Kim Yong Il went out and got himself a nuke. You criticize Iran for meddling in Iraqi affairs while you yourselves currently occupy the country with thousands of troops. You talk about the threat of Iran developing nukes and criticize them for not being above board with nuclear watchdogs and the UN while unconditionally supporting Israel - a nation that secretly built up a huge cache of nukes behind the watchdog's back. You criticize countries like Venezuela for being supposedly undemocratic while supporting despotic regimes and dictators who don't give the slightest thought to democracy.

Now when it comes to Iran it's "the boy who cried wolf" syndrome, people are getting tired of listening to you and this time the threat might very well be credible.
A) The threat of weapons was there, the chemical stockpile he had from the 80's didn't just vanish into thin air. You also realise Saddam had a nuclear program right? The one the Israeli's took out? What's to say they still hadn't material left over from that? You cannot say by any means that he didn't have them, just like you can't say for certain he had weaponry ready for use. I've said it countless times before, that stuff could be buried in the desert and it wouldn't be the first time.

B) Iran is infiltrating, kidnapping and executing soldiers training to maintain security. At this point the coalition forces are trying to rebuild the country into something better than it was. Better infrastructure, better prospects, better standard of living. Iran is interfering with that by supplying insurgent groups with weapons, training as well as using their own men on the ground. That's your difference.

C) Here's another thing, why should jsut the US be criticised concerning NK? Why didn't somene else go and take care of that? The NK's have also proved that their technology is not efficient enough when they test fired that nuke considering it only half exploded. NK is no longer a problem any more, because they've stopped their program.

D) Israel hasn't used a nuke in spite of being faced by overwhelming odds. They don't admit they have them but they don't deny either, unlike Iran who persistently use the 'peaceful application' speech yet refuse to show anyone what the hell they're doing. Why not come out and say they're building a bomb? Anyone with sense would be suspicious of a country that keeps something so secretive but says they're not doing anything shady.

E) Nobody likes Hugo.

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2008-11-25 05:00:42)

Braddock
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M.O.A.B wrote:

A) The threat of weapons was there, the chemical stockpile he had from the 80's didn't just vanish into thin air. You also realise Saddam had a nuclear program right? The one the Israeli's took out? What's to say they still hadn't material left over from that? You cannot say by any means that he didn't have them, just like you can't say for certain he had weaponry ready for use. I've said it countless times before, that stuff could be buried in the desert and it wouldn't be the first time.
So it's fair game to invade anyone with weapons now, is it? Look, Saddam may have been a nutjob but you simply cannot pursue a policy of preemptively striking anyone who has weapons... it's the political equivalent of hammering some random guy in a bar because you think maybe he was looking at you funny. The minute the guy makes a move, you take him down but until then you use diplomacy.

M.O.A.B wrote:

B) Iran is infiltrating, kidnapping and executing soldiers training to maintain security. At this point the coalition forces are trying to rebuild the country into something better than it was. Better infrastructure, better prospects, better standard of living. Iran is interfering with that by supplying insurgent groups with weapons, training as well as using their own men on the ground. That's your difference.
They are looking out for their own interests... I don't agree with it or like it but that's how it is. You guys have been doing the same for years in Panama, Cuba, Vietnam and currently in Iraq.

M.O.A.B wrote:

C) Here's another thing, why should jsut the US be criticised concerning NK? Why didn't somene else go and take care of that? The NK's have also proved that their technology is not efficient enough when they test fired that nuke considering it only half exploded. NK is no longer a problem any more, because they've stopped their program.
Perhaps other nations aren't taking as much flak because other nations haven't been operating as some sort of de facto world police. Also, the US managed to swing all International focus onto Iraq while Kim Jong Il was getting up to his shenanigans so you have to share in a lot of the blame for actively taking people's eye off the ball.

M.O.A.B wrote:

D) Israel hasn't used a nuke in spite of being faced by overwhelming odds. They don't admit they have them but they don't deny either, unlike Iran who persistently use the 'peaceful application' speech yet refuse to show anyone what the hell they're doing. Why not come out and say they're building a bomb? Anyone with sense would be suspicious of a country that keeps something so secretive but says they're not doing anything shady.
I don't think Iran would use a nuke either, they're not idiots, so what's the difference? Giving nukes to extremist groups like AQ would not serve their Nationalist interests either so I'm not buying that popular line of thought.

M.O.A.B wrote:

E) Nobody likes Hugo.
Apparently enough people in Venezuela like him to have him elected to office... so much so that the US backed coup a few years back completely failed.
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MOAB wrote:

Israel hasn't used a nuke in spite of being faced by overwhelming odds. They don't admit they have them but they don't deny either, unlike Iran who persistently use the 'peaceful application' speech yet refuse to show anyone what the hell they're doing.
They were showing what they were doing, until the US decided Iran wasn't allowed any kind of nuclear program.

MOAB wrote:

Why not come out and say they're building a bomb? Anyone with sense would be suspicious of a country that keeps something so secretive but says they're not doing anything shady.
Are we talking about Israel now?
Fuck Israel
Pug
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Braddock wrote:

Pug wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Why? It wasn't for weapons of mass destruction and it wasn't because he was a credible threat to US security so why did they invade?
Hey, you brought it up...time for you to defend your point.  I think there was like 37 reasons...which you are ignoring.
Go on then, 37 reasons... let's hear them.

Or are you too embarrassed to list off the pathetic so called reasons you invaded Iraq now?
If you can prove to me the WORLD supports Iran's insurgency in Iraq, then I won't think you're a looney.  In the meantime, it's not up to me to defend US' involvement in Iraq, as you also have google and there's plenty of information about the invasion you are conveniently ignoring.

In the meantime if you can't prove to me the WORLD supports Iran's insurgency in Iraq, then your comparison to US' involvement FAILS.

Am I embarrassed?  No, I'm disappointed.

Now go back to your America non-hatred or whatever you call it.

Last edited by Pug (2008-11-25 06:28:24)

M.O.A.B
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Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

E) Nobody likes Hugo.
Apparently enough people in Venezuela like him to have him elected to office... so much so that the US backed coup a few years back completely failed.
The Germans elected Hitler, that make him good?
Braddock
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

E) Nobody likes Hugo.
Apparently enough people in Venezuela like him to have him elected to office... so much so that the US backed coup a few years back completely failed.
The Germans elected Hitler, that make him good?
Gimme a fucking break mate... are you seriously comparing Hugo Chavez to Hitler.

Get real.
Braddock
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Pug wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Pug wrote:


Hey, you brought it up...time for you to defend your point.  I think there was like 37 reasons...which you are ignoring.
Go on then, 37 reasons... let's hear them.

Or are you too embarrassed to list off the pathetic so called reasons you invaded Iraq now?
If you can prove to me the WORLD supports Iran's insurgency in Iraq, then I won't think you're a looney.  In the meantime, it's not up to me to defend US' involvement in Iraq, as you also have google and there's plenty of information about the invasion you are conveniently ignoring.

In the meantime if you can't prove to me the WORLD supports Iran's insurgency in Iraq, then your comparison to US' involvement FAILS.

Am I embarrassed?  No, I'm disappointed.

Now go back to your America non-hatred or whatever you call it.
Are you saying the WORLD supports America's occupation of Iraq? Because I seem to remember record numbers of people marching in protest around the world and two coalition of the willing Government's losing power as a result of it.

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