Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6979|Canberra, AUS
Is it still accurate to consider somalia a country anymore?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6715|'Murka

Beduin wrote:

Piracy is a serious crime in Islam.

Since Ethiopia, with the help from US, invaded Somalia and removed Islamic Courts Union, piracy became serious business. For the whole world
Piracy has been a problem in that area long before the events you describe (incorrectly). ICU only controlled a couple of cities. Somalia has been a failed state with no real central government for the last twenty years or so.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
+510|6054|شمال

FEOS wrote:

Piracy has been a problem in that area long before the events you describe (incorrectly).
What is incorrect?

You have not noticed the boom of pirate attacks since 2006?
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6715|'Murka

Beduin wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Piracy has been a problem in that area long before the events you describe (incorrectly).
What is incorrect?

You have not noticed the boom of pirate attacks since 2006?
It's not a "boom". It's cyclical.

The incorrectness of your description is linking Ethiopia's invasion and the fall of the ICU (and by--somehow--association, US involvement) to the increase in piracy. You're confusing correlation with causation. There is nothing to back up the claim that these issues are related other than involving Somalia.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
JahManRed
wank
+646|6932|IRELAND

December 2002 - The United States sends 1,300 military personnel to establish a counterterrorism unit near Somalia. Based in Djibouti, the task force is designed to hunt for militant groups in six Horn of Africa countries, including Somalia. Commanders discuss sharing security technology with regional forces and training them in counterterrorism techniques.

Early 2006 - Somali warlords form an "Alliance for the Restoration of Peace and Counterterrorism" in Mogadishu. Experts on Somalia say the CIA is funding the group, whose members have been battling Islamic militias for control of the country.

June 2006 - Galvanising popular support with anti-U.S. rallying cries, Islamic militants take over Mogadishu and rout warlords.

Dec. 2006 - Islamists flee Mogadishu ahead of a joint Ethiopian and Somali government force which captures the capital. Diplomats say Washington gave tacit support -- plus surveillance and intelligence help -- to its ally Ethiopia.

Jan. 2007 - U.S. aircraft strike the southern village of Hayo, after it was believed that at least one al Qaeda suspect was sheltering there.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N07200577.htm
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6834|Global Command

{B-T}<babacanosh> wrote:

Oh man i am thinking this is a topic where we discuss how to deal with pirates.
But its just another Muslim flame thread by ATG.

Anyways, what ever happened to that ship that carried army supplies.
See, that's the trouble;

when a persons reading skills are so fundamentally lacking that they cannot comprehend a sentence it would be better for this discussion if they just stayed out.

I'd suggest you read the OP again, but this time with your head OUT of your ass.




JahManRed wrote:

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

India has a space program also...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/c … irst-2.jpg
Make fun of India all you like. They are on course to become a major world power.

At the OP
So its not the power vacuum, lack of government. Tribal issues. Interference by the international community. Poverty. Desperation. Ethiopia Invading. Lawlessness. Country is split in two.................. Its Islam. Gotcha.

ATG. You talk like there is some kind of Powerful Islamic government operating in Somalia who should be able to crack down on these pirates. The country is split down the middle. Don't forget, the US supported Ethiopia when she went into Somalia to prevent the Islamic Courts coming to power. Now when the Islamic Courts aren't dealing out Justice you complain. Maybe if Ethiopia and the US had let Islam take hold in Somalia the type of justice you are talking about might be dished out. You can't blame Islam when the Islamic courts where prevented from taking power.
The only law in Somalia is Islamic law, no?


Maybe I was a bit to subtle.

Islam will not tolerate this. There are many aspects of Islam that seem appealing to me, such as forbidding banks to charge interest.


Or put another way; our culture is of the scam and the tax hike to cover corporate thievery.


Praise Allah.
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
+510|6054|شمال

FEOS wrote:

Beduin wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Piracy has been a problem in that area long before the events you describe (incorrectly).
What is incorrect?

You have not noticed the boom of pirate attacks since 2006?
It's not a "boom". It's cyclical.

The incorrectness of your description is linking Ethiopia's invasion and the fall of the ICU (and by--somehow--association, US involvement) to the increase in piracy. You're confusing correlation with causation. There is nothing to back up the claim that these issues are related other than involving Somalia.
If you think that...fine with me
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6006|College Park, MD

Spark wrote:

Is it still accurate to consider somalia a country anymore?
No, it's more dysfunctional than Sealand.
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rdx-fx
...
+955|6896
ALL religions have hypocritical members.

If someone else is doing something against the religion, then it's "death to the infidel!" or "nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition".

If that person violates their own religion's edicts, then there's always a rationalization.
"it's not cold blooded murder .. they're infidel children .. they took my jerb .. they have loose women, and i want 72 of them"

Somalia was, in a way, declared a hopeless shithole in 1993.  Should just leave it at that.
Fuck that place.  Wall it off, and shell the crap out of anyone that pokes their head over the figurative wall.
Give them 50 years to either kill each other off in toto - or rejoin the human race.
jord
Member
+2,382|6983|The North, beyond the wall.
You wanna get some proper aircraft out there.

RPG a F22, wankers.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6715|'Murka

Beduin wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Beduin wrote:


What is incorrect?

You have not noticed the boom of pirate attacks since 2006?
It's not a "boom". It's cyclical.

The incorrectness of your description is linking Ethiopia's invasion and the fall of the ICU (and by--somehow--association, US involvement) to the increase in piracy. You're confusing correlation with causation. There is nothing to back up the claim that these issues are related other than involving Somalia.
If you think that...fine with me
Do you have anything to prove otherwise? Please...enlighten me.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Rohirm
Fear is a Leash
+85|6476|New Austin, Not
Well the Islamists aren't happy about the piracy too, especially when they take a Saudi oil tanker:
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/11/2 … mists.html

A group of armed Islamist militants is reportedly headed to a Somali port Friday to attack pirates holding hostage a massive Saudi Arabian oil tanker.

Ships belonging to Muslim countries should not be seized, Abdelghafar Musa, a fighter with the Islamist group al-Shabab, told the Associated Press.

"We are really sorry to hear that the Saudi ship has been held in Somalia. We will fight [the pirates]," Musa, who claims to speak on behalf of all Islamic fighters in the Horn of Africa nation, told the Associated Press Television News.

Somali pirates captured the Sirius Star last weekend about 450 nautical miles southeast of Kenya's Mombasa port. It's believed to be anchored in the port of Haradheere, about midway up Somalia's coastline.

Islamist fighters also reportedly arrived at the Somali port of Haradheere seeking information on the Sirius Star, said a local elder.

"The Islamists arrived searching for the pirates and the whereabouts of the Saudi ship," said the elder, who declined to be named.

"I saw four cars full of Islamists driving in the town from corner to corner. The Islamists say they will attack the pirates for hijacking a Muslim ship."

Islamist leaders, fighting a two-year insurgency against the government and its Ethiopian military allies, deny allegations they collude with pirates and insist they will stamp down on them if they win power.
Islamists in control of southern Somalia

Somalia has not had a functioning government since 1991. When an umbrella Islamic group, which included the al-Shabab, controlled most of southern Somalia for six months in 2006, there were few reports of piracy.

That umbrella group has now split, but Islamist groups have taken control of large portions of southern Somalia in recent weeks, and al-Shanab reputedly holds the largest share.

The United States views al-Shabab as a terrorist organization with ties to al-Qaeda militants who were allegedly behind the 1998 bomb attacks on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that left over 230 dead.

Some analysts, however, say Islamist militants are benefiting from the spoils of piracy and arms shipments facilitated by the sea gangs.

The supertanker, which is roughly 330 metres long and three times the mass of a U.S. aircraft carrier, is carrying $100 million US worth of oil. The ship — itself worth about $100 million — has a crew of 25 people from the Philippines, Saudi Arabia, Croatia, Poland and Britain.

The pirates have asked for $25 million in ransom, according to unconfirmed reports.
Pirates holding 330 hostages

Cmdr. Jane Campbell, with the U.S. Navy's 5th fleet in Bahrain, said hijacked ships are docked in four or five ports along Somalia's coastline. Roughly 330 merchant mariners from 25 different countries are being held hostage, she said.

Pirates have conducted attacks in a nautical area covering 2.8 million square kilometres, she said.

While the high-profile hijacking of the Sirius Star has thrust the issue into the spotlight, Campbell insists the success rate for pirates in the region is dropping. In August, sea pirates had a 53 per cent success rate, she said.

That same month, the military started advising shipping companies on simple ways to prevent piracy, including how to train lookouts and quickly alter their course.

That, along with an increased military presence in the Gulf of Aden, resulted in October's success rate dropping to 31 per cent, she said.

Campbell said the problem of sea piracy must be dealt with on land through diplomatic, economic or military means.

"Piracy is not something that will be ended on the high seas," she said.
UN votes for sanctions

Countries have taken action to clamp down on the attacks. The United Nations Security Council voted unanimously on Thursday to impose sanctions on anyone engaging in or contributing to violence in the country.

Sanctions against an accused party would include the freezing of assets and a travel ban, although the 15-member council did not define which individuals or entities would be affected. That is expected to be decided later by a sanctions committee.

The British-drafted resolution also targets anyone obstructing delivery of humanitarian assistance to Somalia, where hundreds of thousands have been forced from their homes.

The African Union is pressing the UN to speed up sending peacekeepers to Somalia, and one of the world's largest shipping companies has announced it will send some of its 50 oil tankers around the Cape of Good Hope in South Africa rather than navigate the Gulf of Aden.

Other shipping companies, including Norway's Frontline Ltd., which transports much of the Middle East's oil to areas around the world, were considering similar moves.

Roughly 11 per cent of the world's seaborne petroleum passes through the Gulf of Aden, where NATO, the United States, Russia, India and several other countries have warships patrolling on anti-piracy missions. Reports from India Friday suggested the Indian navy may further increase its presence in the Gulf.

Earlier this week, an Indian warship, the INS Tabar, sank a suspected pirate "mother ship" in the Gulf and chased two attack boats.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7066

FEOS wrote:

Beduin wrote:

FEOS wrote:


It's not a "boom". It's cyclical.

The incorrectness of your description is linking Ethiopia's invasion and the fall of the ICU (and by--somehow--association, US involvement) to the increase in piracy. You're confusing correlation with causation. There is nothing to back up the claim that these issues are related other than involving Somalia.
If you think that...fine with me
Do you have anything to prove otherwise? Please...enlighten me.
he cant
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6834|Global Command
Dozens of Somali Islamist insurgents stormed a port on Friday hunting the pirates behind the seizure of a Saudi supertanker that was the world's biggest hijack, a local elder said.
It's a hard thing ya know; being right all the time.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ … mp;sp=true

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