US Navy Sonar Use

2008-03-13 20:20:40

#26

CloakedStarship: Member; +76|6870

ATG wrote:
... whales are people too.

Heh, heh, alright /quagmire

But seriously, are these subs going into known areas where sea life are and then purposely bouncing sonar off of them? In either case I don't think it really matters. Subs without sonar are like blind people without a seeing eye dog or something to that effect.

2008-03-13 20:43:02

#27

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6842|Long Island, New York

During wartime? No. During peace? Yes.

Right now, it should atleast be limited. It's not like terrorists have subs or ships.

2008-03-13 20:47:41

#28

CommieChipmunk: Member; +488|6874|Portland, OR, USA

We certainly need to waste more money that we do not have deploying submarines to patrol our coasts at all times, this is about national security people.

2008-03-13 20:52:08

#29

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7021

CommieChipmunk wrote:
We certainly need to waste more money that we do not have deploying submarines to patrol our coasts at all times, this is about national security people.

So we shouldn't guard or coasts with subs...

and i thought the subs are useless post was the dumbest i had read so far...lol

Love is the answer

2008-03-14 00:01:44

#30

Major.League.Infidel: Make Love and War; +303|6783|Communist Republic of CA, USA

CommieChipmunk wrote:
We certainly need to waste more money that we do not have deploying submarines to patrol our coasts at all times, this is about national security people.

This isn't about the cost of having them offshore. We'll have them offshore regardless. The question is whether they should limit their use of Active Sonar (The Distinctive Pinging), rather than the less harmful, but less precise Passive Sonar.

2008-03-14 02:02:58

#31

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6716|'Murka

Poseidon wrote:
During wartime? No. During peace? Yes.

Right now, it should atleast be limited. It's not like terrorists have subs or ships.

So we shouldn't train for war in peacetime?

Then I guess the only planes that we fly should be those over Iraq and Afghanistan? Or that once troops get back stateside, they put their weapons in a locker and all their vehicles in storage?

Sorry. That logic simply fails.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-03-14 13:04:15

#32

Commie Killer: Member; +192|6692

Well, for one, you have to practice, and its not exactly a good idea to start that practice in war time. Two, active sonar is hardly ever used, its a last ditch type of thing. It gives away your position so your kinda fucked after you use it. Its all about passive now and from everything Ive heard passive, at least in NATO and western countries, is pretty damn good.

2008-11-12 11:28:48

#33

Pug: UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate; +652|6847|Texas - Bigger than France

Looks like Ahab won in court

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27678464/wid=18298287

2008-11-12 11:49:20

#34

cpt.fass1: The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n; +329|7000|NJ

Ummm I don't know.. On one hand I like to eat and if we kill fish we'd all die..

On the other, oh wait the first one is where we all die.. I'll take chances..

2008-11-12 12:29:06

#35

NgoDamWei: Member; +7|5968|Western North Carolina

I feel it should have been "subs are useless ... to Belgium" as are most any other Naval craft other than a skiff. Go figger.

As a whale, I think the worst of all would be anything sounding like Rudy Valle wafting through a craft's hull. Ranks right up there with Alvin.

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2008-11-12 12:30:58

#36

Pug: UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate; +652|6847|Texas - Bigger than France

Note: I do not think this is a good idea but a thought...

...what would happen if all whales were gone?

2008-11-12 12:34:18

#37

MAGUIRE93: High Angle Hell; +182|6499|Schofield Barracks

S.Lythberg wrote:
submarine = 500 feet

ocean = 198 million square miles

I'm sure the whales will find space...

2008-11-12 18:27:08

#38

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6716|'Murka

cpt.fass1 wrote:
Ummm I don't know.. On one hand I like to eat and if we kill fish we'd all die..

On the other, oh wait the first one is where we all die.. I'll take chances..

Article wrote:
Environmental groups had persuaded lower federal courts in California to impose restrictions on sonar use in submarine-hunting exercises to protect whales and other marine mammals.

Fish aren't mammals.

Not many beasties eat whales, either.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-12 18:34:56

#39

Surgeons: U shud proabbly f off u fat prik; +3,097|6794|Gogledd Cymru

FEOS wrote:
Article wrote:
whales and other marine mammals.
Fish aren't mammals.

Ever heard of Dolphins, Chief?

Fish aren't the only creatures in the Oceans.

2008-11-12 18:35:06

#40

S3v3N: lolwut?; +685|6823|Montucky

Commercial fishing is ok... but the use of Sonar? THEY MUST BE STOPPED!.

Fucking Hippies.. and FUCK the fish/water mammals.

2008-11-12 18:37:10

#41

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6716|'Murka

The Sheriff wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Article wrote:
whales and other marine mammals.
Fish aren't mammals.
Ever heard of Dolphins, Chief?

Fish aren't the only creatures in the Oceans.

Ever heard of context chief? I was responding to someone who was worried about the fish dying.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-12 23:03:45

#42

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,060|7076|PNW

Eldu wrote:
Subs are useless, so I'd say yes, limit them, get them out of the water alltogether.

/joker laugh

2008-11-13 00:30:07

#43

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6411|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:
Sorry. That logic simply fails.

Not really, its easy enough to train without destroying something in the process.

Do you let off a nuke once a week for practice?

Do you release anthrax over a major city once a year just to make sure your ready?

Do you use DU munitions within range of populated areas in the US just to be sure they still work?

No you don't. Active sonar use by submarines is fairly irrelevant, and as far as I know AQ don't have submarines.

Fuck Israel

2008-11-13 00:34:47

#44

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6970|NT, like Mick Dundee

While Dilbert has a point, the recent rumours I've heard about drug smugglers using homemade fibreglass subs are cause for concern.

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2008-11-13 02:48:50

#45

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6716|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Sorry. That logic simply fails.
Not really, its easy enough to train without destroying something in the process.

Do you let off a nuke once a week for practice?

Do you release anthrax over a major city once a year just to make sure your ready?

Do you use DU munitions within range of populated areas in the US just to be sure they still work?

No you don't. Active sonar use by submarines is fairly irrelevant, and as far as I know AQ don't have submarines.

Not always.

You don't need to let off a nuke to train on nuke delivery tactics. We do, however, launch missiles regularly to ensure they still work and we can launch them without problems.

You don't need to release anthrax itself...but we have (and do) release non-toxic traceable compounds on populated areas to test tracking, response, and containment.

We don't use any kind of munitions within range of populated areas...that's why we have special ranges set up for munitions release/testing. Very similar to the oceanic range the Navy uses for their anti-sub exercises under discussion. And you know what? There are real, live animals (not people) living on those ranges...they are not sterile environments.

You keep talking about populated areas--you do realize the case involved sea mammals and not people, right?

And the use of sonar isn't just by the subs...it's more for the anti-submarine forces searching for the subs.

AQ isn't the only thing the US military must be prepared for...particularly the Navy. To assume that you must only train for the current fight and not be prepared for others is ridiculously short-sighted...and fails.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-13 03:09:08

#46

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6926|London, England

Mekstizzle wrote:
I don't really care. Then again neither do I care about the Japanese and their Whale antics. It seems that some people will defend the USN but deplore the Japanese, sure they are on different scales, but don't be hypocritical now.

And I'm still right. Just now we have a topic where people are going "save the caribou/Palin is an environmental hero" but in this topic they're going "fuck the whales"

Anyway to actually answer the question 9 months or so late, they shouldn't stop using it because that would be stupid. They should try and find different areas though. US has alot of ocean to play around in.

2008-11-13 18:58:00

#47

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6853|San Diego, CA, USA

Safety of the United States vs. Some whales and dolphins? Sorry, I choose safety/readiness.

2008-11-13 19:19:42

#48

thtthht: maximum bullshit; +50|6635|teh alien spaceshit

My bio teacher talked about this last year.
She seemed pissed.
I laughed.
Then, some hippies tried to beat me up.
I laughed.
Then, some dudes I know who were in the navy laughed with me.

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No	68%	68% - 48
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