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2008-11-07 19:40:20
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Well, all things considered, if you imprison someone and then release them into society with effectively a huge scarlet letter on their forehead, they will turn to crime when they find it hard to get a job or even find a house.

As I said, if you don't have any interest in "fixing" them, then you might as well kill them to prevent more rapes from occurring, because they will, and they do....  from the same offenders often.
Maybe if their crime was theft or robbery. We simply aren't talking about that. You don't sexually abuse kids because you cant pay your rent or you are hungry. And yes, if you do then you should never be released. That person is too volatile and society can't afford to have them amongst the general populace.
Well, we'd better legalize pot soon, so that we can free up all the prison space for the sex offenders and their life sentences.
Oh I'm all about legalizing pot. That's not very conservative of me..lol. (actually it is from the point of traditional conservatism)
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-11-07 19:41:41
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Maybe if their crime was theft or robbery. We simply aren't talking about that. You don't sexually abuse kids because you cant pay your rent or you are hungry. And yes, if you do then you should never be released. That person is too volatile and society can't afford to have them amongst the general populace.
Well, we'd better legalize pot soon, so that we can free up all the prison space for the sex offenders and their life sentences.
Oh I'm all about legalizing pot. That's not very conservative of me..lol. (actually it is from the point of traditional conservatism)
Good to know...   It would also be good to end mandatory sentencing for drug offenses.
2008-11-07 19:44:37
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, we'd better legalize pot soon, so that we can free up all the prison space for the sex offenders and their life sentences.
Oh I'm all about legalizing pot. That's not very conservative of me..lol. (actually it is from the point of traditional conservatism)
Good to know...   It would also be good to end mandatory sentencing for drug offenses.
Now in this instance I really think you would reduce crime.. legalize prostitution and you might also .
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-11-07 19:45:21
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Oh I'm all about legalizing pot. That's not very conservative of me..lol. (actually it is from the point of traditional conservatism)
Good to know...   It would also be good to end mandatory sentencing for drug offenses.
Now in this instance I really think you would reduce crime.. legalize prostitution and you might also .
I thought you said legalizing prostitution would increase human trafficking....
2008-11-07 19:46:45
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6842|Long Island, New York
This topic went from Sarah Palin to Prositution.

Coincidence? I think not.
2008-11-07 19:48:32
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

Poseidon wrote:

This topic went from Sarah Palin to Prositution.

Coincidence? I think not.
I'm showing him what a true conservative looks like..lol. Really we just want the government to butt out .
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-11-07 19:49:34
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,060|7077|PNW

Republicans blame Palin for election loss.
Of course, McCain and the gummings of some of his fringe supporters bore no responsibility.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-11-07 19:50:10)

2008-11-07 19:50:32
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Good to know...   It would also be good to end mandatory sentencing for drug offenses.
Now in this instance I really think you would reduce crime.. legalize prostitution and you might also .
I thought you said legalizing prostitution would increase human trafficking....
I'm trying to remember the context. Like every profession there would need to be some oversight/licensing.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-11-07 19:53:51
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Now in this instance I really think you would reduce crime.. legalize prostitution and you might also .
I thought you said legalizing prostitution would increase human trafficking....
I'm trying to remember the context. Like every profession there would need to be some oversight/licensing.
Well, I'm in favor of legalizing prostitution as well, but yeah...  oversight would definitely need to be implemented.

Oh yeah...  and we should legalize euthanasia as well -- just like Washington state did... 
2008-11-07 19:56:44
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I thought you said legalizing prostitution would increase human trafficking....
I'm trying to remember the context. Like every profession there would need to be some oversight/licensing.
Well, I'm in favor of legalizing prostitution as well, but yeah...  oversight would definitely need to be implemented.

Oh yeah...  and we should legalize euthanasia as well -- just like Washington state did... 
This is all falling under the "victimless crimes" argument. Generally the stuff they couldn't manage to enforce if they wanted to. They exasperate the problem by pulling man power away from the stuff they can.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-11-07 19:58:22
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I'm trying to remember the context. Like every profession there would need to be some oversight/licensing.
Well, I'm in favor of legalizing prostitution as well, but yeah...  oversight would definitely need to be implemented.

Oh yeah...  and we should legalize euthanasia as well -- just like Washington state did... 
This is all falling under the "victimless crimes" argument. Generally the stuff they couldn't manage to enforce if they wanted to. They exasperate the problem by pulling man power away from the stuff they can.
Well, maybe if enough people in the GOP see things the way you do, they'll actually return to smaller government and give the Religious Right the firm kick in the ass they've earned over the last 2 decades of bullshit.
2008-11-07 20:05:59
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6885|the dank(super) side of Oregon

Turquoise wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

So you don't think they have any ability to learn from mistakes and exercise more self-control over time?
I'm sure thay can understand their mistakes and regret what they've done.  But they can't learn to not have the desire to rape people.
Well, I'm operating under the assumption that this mental affliction they have can be controlled via medication and therapy like all other mental maladies can be.  I don't see how such desires are that much different from somebody with something like schizophrenia.
they aren't very different, however the consequences are far more severe if a relapse occurs.  Schizophrenics can harm others, sexual predators will harm others.  I cannot justify the potential destruction of a person's life just because a known rapist thinks they have control of their urges.  But like I said,  I'd have no problem executing sexual predators because what they do is as terrible as murder, if not worse in some ways.
2008-11-07 20:09:12
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, I'm in favor of legalizing prostitution as well, but yeah...  oversight would definitely need to be implemented.

Oh yeah...  and we should legalize euthanasia as well -- just like Washington state did... 
This is all falling under the "victimless crimes" argument. Generally the stuff they couldn't manage to enforce if they wanted to. They exasperate the problem by pulling man power away from the stuff they can.
Well, maybe if enough people in the GOP see things the way you do, they'll actually return to smaller government and give the Religious Right the firm kick in the ass they've earned over the last 2 decades of bullshit.
This party was jacked by the religious right when Reagan had Jerry Falwell in "the war room". I actually liked Reagan and I know we disagree on his legacy. But that moment in particular signaled the start of religious pandering. The GOP, for what ever reason, thought that they had to appease those lunatics on the fringe to survive. Kinda like Obama was appeasing his constituents in Illinois with Wright.. .
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-11-07 20:09:38
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Reciprocity wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:


I'm sure thay can understand their mistakes and regret what they've done.  But they can't learn to not have the desire to rape people.
Well, I'm operating under the assumption that this mental affliction they have can be controlled via medication and therapy like all other mental maladies can be.  I don't see how such desires are that much different from somebody with something like schizophrenia.
they aren't very different, however the consequences are far more severe if a relapse occurs.  Schizophrenics can harm others, sexual predators will harm others.  I cannot justify the potential destruction of a person's life just because a known rapist thinks they have control of their urges.  But like I said,  I'd have no problem executing sexual predators because what they do is as terrible as murder, if not worse in some ways.
I'd argue that murder is absolutely worse than any sex crime because a dead victim has no chance of recovery.

Other than that...  I can see where you're coming from.  I guess emptying our prisons of drug offenders and replacing them with sex offenders might be the best compromise we can have.
2008-11-07 20:11:57
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

This is all falling under the "victimless crimes" argument. Generally the stuff they couldn't manage to enforce if they wanted to. They exasperate the problem by pulling man power away from the stuff they can.
Well, maybe if enough people in the GOP see things the way you do, they'll actually return to smaller government and give the Religious Right the firm kick in the ass they've earned over the last 2 decades of bullshit.
This party was jacked by the religious right when Reagan had Jerry Falwell in "the war room". I actually liked Reagan and I know we disagree on his legacy. But that moment in particular signaled the start of religious pandering. The GOP, for what ever reason, thought that they had to appease those lunatics on the fringe to survive. Kinda like Obama was appeasing his constituents in Illinois with Wright.. .
Agreed...  I definitely don't like Reagan anywhere near as much as many Republicans do, but yeah, his main failing was that connection.

The good news is that the religious nutjobs are on the decline.  They had their fun in the 90s, but now, a lot of their children are quickly realizing how fucked in the head religious fundamentalism is.

Oh yeah, and the whole Wright thing was disturbing to say the least.  The Religious Left is just as loony, but hopefully, Obama can keep them at bay.

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-11-07 20:12:50)

2008-11-07 20:15:20
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, maybe if enough people in the GOP see things the way you do, they'll actually return to smaller government and give the Religious Right the firm kick in the ass they've earned over the last 2 decades of bullshit.
This party was jacked by the religious right when Reagan had Jerry Falwell in "the war room". I actually liked Reagan and I know we disagree on his legacy. But that moment in particular signaled the start of religious pandering. The GOP, for what ever reason, thought that they had to appease those lunatics on the fringe to survive. Kinda like Obama was appeasing his constituents in Illinois with Wright.. .
Agreed...  I definitely don't like Reagan anywhere near as much as many Republicans do, but yeah, his main failing was that connection.

The good news is that the religious nutjobs are on the decline.  They had their fun in the 90s, but now, a lot of their children are quickly realizing how fucked in the head religious fundamentalism is.

Oh yeah, and the whole Wright thing was disturbing to say the least.  The Religious Left is just as loony, but hopefully, Obama can keep them at bay.
Their agenda is transparent now. Intolerance and bigotry. Not all religious types. Just the ones who want to impose their will on everyone.

The funny thing is that Reagan and Obama are similar in their perceived ability to unite. Or as Obama put it when referencing Reagan, "the country was ready for a monumental shift. And Reagan did that." (something like that)
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-11-07 20:22:17
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6885|the dank(super) side of Oregon

Turquoise wrote:

I'd argue that murder is absolutely worse than any sex crime because a dead victim has no chance of recovery.
what's worse for the victim?  being dead or trying to put your life back together?  being dead or never trusting anyone? being dead or having to get an abortion because the animal impregnated you?  being dead or having to deal with an STD for the rest of your life?  Being dead or having to deal with your own distorted or destroyed sexuality?

I apologize if I sound like I'm just shoveling rhetoric.

Last edited by Reciprocity (2008-11-07 20:22:38)

2008-11-07 20:23:29
wah1188
You orrible caaaaaaan't
+321|6765|UK

Reciprocity wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, like I said, you should just kill them if rehabilitation has no value to you.
sexual predators cannot be rehabilitated and should never be considered rehabilitated.  I'm not talking about some guy busted for statutory rape, i'm talking about people who commit sexual assault.




And John McCain lost because he didn't run as John McCain.  He was the desparate loser, willing to do and say anything to become president.  He spent a year telling everyone he wasn't George Bush and then chooses a VP who's basically GWB in a skirt, with sweet tits.
Couldn't have put it better myself! The negative campaigning really got silly. I really liked his losing speech that was the real John Mccain there. I have a feeling he was just a puppet and slowly lost control of his campaign. However him picking Sarah for VP shows there is hope for us all!
2008-11-07 20:25:20
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

Reciprocity wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I'd argue that murder is absolutely worse than any sex crime because a dead victim has no chance of recovery.
what's worse for the victim?  being dead or trying to put your life back together?  being dead or never trusting anyone? being dead or having to get an abortion because the animal impregnated you?  being dead or having to deal with an STD for the rest of your life?  Being dead or having to deal with your own distorted or destroyed sexuality?

I apologize if I sound like I'm just shoveling rhetoric.
Often times they (the abused) choose death and commit suicide. Often times they destroy the lives of other while trying to work out their demons.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-11-07 20:32:42
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

wah1188 wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, like I said, you should just kill them if rehabilitation has no value to you.
sexual predators cannot be rehabilitated and should never be considered rehabilitated.  I'm not talking about some guy busted for statutory rape, i'm talking about people who commit sexual assault.




And John McCain lost because he didn't run as John McCain.  He was the desparate loser, willing to do and say anything to become president.  He spent a year telling everyone he wasn't George Bush and then chooses a VP who's basically GWB in a skirt, with sweet tits.
Couldn't have put it better myself! The negative campaigning really got silly. I really liked his losing speech that was the real John Mccain there. I have a feeling he was just a puppet and slowly lost control of his campaign. However him picking Sarah for VP shows there is hope for us all!
The candidate does not run the campaign. John McCain doesn't "vet" the prospective VP candidate, nor does he ultimately decide the direction. It's the incompetents running the GOP that sent him into a nose dive. Wasn't his reluctance obvious? When a candidate actually wins his position then yes they legislate as they see fit.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-11-07 20:39:10
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7066

i blame teh darkies
2008-11-07 20:44:40
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

usmarine wrote:

i blame teh darkies
Always insightful.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-11-07 20:46:32
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7066

Kmarion wrote:

usmarine wrote:

i blame teh darkies
Always insightful.
go yell at FM
2008-11-07 20:48:28
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

usmarine wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

usmarine wrote:

i blame teh darkies
Always insightful.
go yell at FM
That gets old.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-11-07 20:51:15
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6699|The Gem Saloon
kerry being mean is what keeps me out of this section most of the time...

 

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