Keep thinking like that, and someone might call you a commie...[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
Ah ...surprising I must say, even if it´s legit, atleast I´m impressed by the effort made.
Now...why should we pay extra for clean energy and the companies not pay extra for dirty energy? ...hehe.
I guess it's a good thing he's going to massively expand welfare...he's going to need to when the coal miners lose their jobs.Reciprocity wrote:
"Hey, thousands of coal people, the plants you work in are out-dated and filthy."Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Please tell that to the thousands employed by them.CameronPoe wrote:
Newsflash: traditional coal plants = thing of the past.
Done and done.
any more rhetoric?
And I'll be happy to work five extra hours in a twelve hour day to stack up the required tax dollars.FEOS wrote:
I guess it's a good thing he's going to massively expand welfare...he's going to need to when the coal miners lose their jobs.Reciprocity wrote:
"Hey, thousands of coal people, the plants you work in are out-dated and filthy."Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Please tell that to the thousands employed by them.
Done and done.
any more rhetoric?
It's not punishment, it's making dirty coal plants pay for the damage they cause.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
The problem I see is why the government is forcing anyone out of business. Why not give incentives to build environmentally friendly plants, instead of punishing the current plants?
Do you want to pay for the damage you cause to the environment by buying electricity generated by coal burning plants?san4 wrote:
It's not punishment, it's making dirty coal plants pay for the damage they cause.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
The problem I see is why the government is forcing anyone out of business. Why not give incentives to build environmentally friendly plants, instead of punishing the current plants?
No, do you want to pay specifically for the damage caused to the environment. Right now you pay for the service.[F7F7]KiNG_KaDaFFHi wrote:
You already do by buying their "products"....
It's a question of putting the costs where they belong. There's no argument for making the victims of coal pollution pay for the damage they suffer. If it causes my electric bills to go up, what's the alternative?Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Do you want to pay for the damage you cause to the environment by buying electricity generated by coal burning plants?san4 wrote:
It's not punishment, it's making dirty coal plants pay for the damage they cause.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
The problem I see is why the government is forcing anyone out of business. Why not give incentives to build environmentally friendly plants, instead of punishing the current plants?
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Are you a victim of coal pollution? hahasan4 wrote:
It's a question of putting the costs where they belong. There's no argument for making the victims of coal pollution pay for the damage they suffer. If it causes my electric bills to go up, what's the alternative?Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Do you want to pay for the damage you cause to the environment by buying electricity generated by coal burning plants?san4 wrote:
It's not punishment, it's making dirty coal plants pay for the damage they cause.
It's also a question of economic efficiency. I'm guessing coal pollution costs society more in the long run than society saves producing cheap electricity.
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I don't think I am personally a victim of coal pollution, but that doesn't seem relevant. Wait, was that a joke? The "haha" kind of tipped me off.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Are you a victim of coal pollution? hahasan4 wrote:
It's a question of putting the costs where they belong. There's no argument for making the victims of coal pollution pay for the damage they suffer. If it causes my electric bills to go up, what's the alternative?Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Do you want to pay for the damage you cause to the environment by buying electricity generated by coal burning plants?
It's also a question of economic efficiency. I'm guessing coal pollution costs society more in the long run than society saves producing cheap electricity.
The companies wouldn't care if they could pass on the price to the consumer. Problem is the same people that are going to vote to put the tax on are the same ones that are going to whine when the cost of energy goes up.
That is quite the guess. There is no research at all to back up your claim.
You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.
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What's even stranger is that Matt Drudge favors Obama... or at least he did a few months ago.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Funny that McCain and Obama have identical stances in regards to coal power and the coal industry in general.
McCain, Drudge, and Faux News have banded together to attack...themselves.
McCain has basically the same policy...ATG wrote:
hOLE LEE FUCK,You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.
The cost of coal-made electricity won't change. We just won't be able to shift it to future generations anymore.ATG wrote:
hOLE LEE FUCK,You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.
Obama has made few gaffs. He fully believes in what he has said, and in this case, I support him. I'm going to admit right now that while I may consider myself a conservative constitutionalist, air quality and large scale energy production do need to be regulated by the government, since they impact everybody. Coal is cheaper than any other energy source right now, so without government interference, it's going to continue expanding. Note that I do not support Obama for the presidency. In fact, I would be deeply concerned if he won.Turquoise wrote:
Obama's made some serious gaffes, but none of them have come close to the ones Palin has made. Granted, Biden has made quite a few, and so has McCain.
This is an example why people with no conception of how business works perhaps should not vote.san4 wrote:
The cost of coal-made electricity won't change. We just won't be able to shift it to future generations anymore.ATG wrote:
hOLE LEE FUCK,You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.
ATG, this is a classic case of BIG BAD GOVERNMENT VS. BIG BAD CORPORATIONS. I've talked to a lot people, I've a lot done research, and I've come to realize the truth. In the case of energy production, we actually *Gasp!* Need government to step in. We have had the capability to develop more efficient ways of producing energy. The truth is, corporations don't want us to become energy independent. If everybody had a solar panel in their backyard, they wouldn't have to rely on anybody for their energy. I've seen solar panels that are 40% more efficient than the ones currently in use, and that was 10 years ago at a navy technology convention! Have you looked at all of the disappearances/deaths of energy research scientists?ATG wrote:
This is an example why people with no conception of how business works perhaps should not vote.san4 wrote:
The cost of coal-made electricity won't change. We just won't be able to shift it to future generations anymore.ATG wrote:
hOLE LEE FUCK,
The whole premise of the cap and trade scheme is to fuck businesses over the phony science of the al gores of the world.
We'll see how the economy responds to this. In two years we may be looking back at the last six months as the good old days.
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