Braddock
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usmarine wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

According to wiki, though taken with a pinch of salt, current deployments of Irish troops are (though I doubt it includes their SF units.)

Kosovo
Bosnia
Lebanon
Chad

also had this,

Wiki wrote:

Irish Army Officers are currently serving in Liberia, Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Sudan, Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Western Sahara, Congo, Croatia, Montenegro, Afghanistan and the Ivory Coast.
hmmm...

naughty naughty.  stay out of other countries ireland.
I guess you could say we're doing the job you guys used to do: peacekeeping.

Only our brand of peace doesn't come with napalm and air strikes!

We also only act in accordance with UN mandates, we don't go in for the whole unilateral invasion thing.
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Braddock wrote:

We also only act in accordance with UN mandates, we don't go in for the whole unilateral invasion thing.
yes but your bro calls it illegal, and you were there yes?  did iraq invite you?
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fuck syria
Braddock
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usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

We also only act in accordance with UN mandates, we don't go in for the whole unilateral invasion thing.
yes but your bro calls it illegal, and you were there yes?  did iraq invite you?
It is illegal. Our troops had nothing to do with the war though, we weren't there to fight terror, change regimes or grab land and oil... imagine you hired a private detective to find a missing person, well that's what our special forces were doing except we were only advising (because our special forces are the best rescue outfit in the world!) and didn't even get used in the end because the journalist was almost immediately released after they found out he was Irish.

Nice try usmarine but ultimately pretty lame.
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Braddock wrote:

because our special forces are the best rescue outfit in the world!
thats a strong claim.
usmarine
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Braddock wrote:

we weren't there to fight terror
were they sent there because your people were captured by nuns or terrorists?
Braddock
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God Save the Queen wrote:

Braddock wrote:

because our special forces are the best rescue outfit in the world!
thats a strong claim.
It's a deliberate attempt at flame-baiting tbh!

They are highly regarded though; I've have read that they are widely considered to be the best special forces unit from a neutral country and in common folklore they supposedly continually win International competitions amongst military units from around the world (whether such things even exist or not I'm not sure!).
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usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

we weren't there to fight terror
were they sent there because your people were captured by nuns or terrorists?
They weren't going there to fight or kill the guys that kidnapped the Irish citizen, they were just going there to get him back. Last time they carried out a high profile rescue operation in Liberia they rescued all 35 civilian hostages and even captured a few war criminals without any injuries and without a single shot being fired.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Army_Rangers#Liberia
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I was in Liberia.  Those guys are no Al-Q Brad.  If you think they were not ready to go in and kill in Iraq, then you are mistaken.

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Braddock
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usmarine wrote:

I was in Liberia.  Those guys are no Al-Q Brad.  If you think they were not ready to go in and kill in Iraq, then you are mistaken.
Maybe, but the fact is they didn't have to in Liberia and they didn't have to in Iraq. You guys didn't have to go in and kill people in Iraq either... but you decided to anyway.
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Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

we weren't there to fight terror
were they sent there because your people were captured by nuns or terrorists?
They weren't going there to fight or kill the guys that kidnapped the Irish citizen, they were just going there to get him back. Last time they carried out a high profile rescue operation in Liberia they rescued all 35 civilian hostages and even captured a few war criminals without any injuries and without a single shot being fired.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Army_Rangers#Liberia
Hmm, nothing says a shot wasn't fired,

wiki wrote:

The ARW was deployed in Liberia following the Second Liberian Civil War as part of a peace-keeping contingent of more than 400 troops from the Irish Defence Forces, in turn part of a rapid reaction force for the United Nations mission in the country.

One of their most successful missions during this deployment was the rescue of a group of civilians captured by gunmen from renegade Government of Liberia forces. Acting on intelligence, twenty heavily armed Rangers were dropped by helicopter into the town of Gbapa. To avoid casualties among the hostages, the Rangers implemented a policy of non-lethal intervention and, after surrounding a 40-foot container containing the 35 hostages, rescued them
Though, I wouldn't really like the non-lethal intervention policy if a group of guys started shooting at me with Soviet-era weapons.
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Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:

I was in Liberia.  Those guys are no Al-Q Brad.  If you think they were not ready to go in and kill in Iraq, then you are mistaken.
Maybe, but the fact is they didn't have to in Liberia and they didn't have to in Iraq. You guys didn't have to go in and kill people in Iraq either... but you decided to anyway.
Brad, your guys went in with the full intention of killing iraqis.  they didn't have to yes, but they were prepared and willing to.  which makes it illegal according to your standards.

so I am done with this since you or I will not be swayed.

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usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:

I was in Liberia.  Those guys are no Al-Q Brad.  If you think they were not ready to go in and kill in Iraq, then you are mistaken.
Maybe, but the fact is they didn't have to in Liberia and they didn't have to in Iraq. You guys didn't have to go in and kill people in Iraq either... but you decided to anyway.
Brad, your guys went in with the full intention of killing iraqis.  they didn't have to yes, but they were prepared and willing to.  which makes it illegal according to your standards.
No. There is a big difference between going in with an intention to kill someone and going in with the acceptance that you will kill someone if forced to decide between their life and yours. They did not intend to kill anyone.

And you are continually forgetting that they were there in an ADVISORY role. We would probably have violated our neutrality had we acted in an area in the absence of a UN mandate.
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:


were they sent there because your people were captured by nuns or terrorists?
They weren't going there to fight or kill the guys that kidnapped the Irish citizen, they were just going there to get him back. Last time they carried out a high profile rescue operation in Liberia they rescued all 35 civilian hostages and even captured a few war criminals without any injuries and without a single shot being fired.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Army_Rangers#Liberia
Hmm, nothing says a shot wasn't fired,
I read the story originally in an Irish Times article a few years ago, unfortunately they do not appear have the story in their online archives and this is the only source I could find online. The Times article was also where it mentioned that several war criminals were captured in the raid (this too is not mentioned in the Wiki link I posted).

M.O.A.B wrote:

wiki wrote:

The ARW was deployed in Liberia following the Second Liberian Civil War as part of a peace-keeping contingent of more than 400 troops from the Irish Defence Forces, in turn part of a rapid reaction force for the United Nations mission in the country.

One of their most successful missions during this deployment was the rescue of a group of civilians captured by gunmen from renegade Government of Liberia forces. Acting on intelligence, twenty heavily armed Rangers were dropped by helicopter into the town of Gbapa. To avoid casualties among the hostages, the Rangers implemented a policy of non-lethal intervention and, after surrounding a 40-foot container containing the 35 hostages, rescued them
Though, I wouldn't really like the non-lethal intervention policy if a group of guys started shooting at me with Soviet-era weapons.
What can I say, the guys got the job done without any casualties and didn't need to use lethal force... Irish Rangers FTW!
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usmarine wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

Ottomania wrote:

sooo I heard on morning news that Iraq was realy disturbed by this operation and make investigation then shared reports with Syria.
the same news that tells you about the evil armenians and the nerve they had for trying to exist?
well he also thinks turkey should own northern iraq so.....
not only northern.. whole of it and I want armenia too. look at my nick: ottoman-ia. If I have chance I would massacred all kurds and armenians. also I beg iran to nuke israel. and I request alqueda to achive more kamikazes like 9-11 frequently. russia and north korea should blow usa out of map. I want sharia and I want to chop nonmuslim head. I am glad I want all of those.
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Ottomania wrote:

usmarine wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:


the same news that tells you about the evil armenians and the nerve they had for trying to exist?
well he also thinks turkey should own northern iraq so.....
not only northern.. whole of it and I want armenia too. look at my nick: ottoman-ia. If I have chance I would massacred all kurds and armenians. also I beg iran to nuke israel. and I request alqueda to achive more kamikazes like 9-11 frequently. russia and north korea should blow usa out of map. I want sharia and I want to chop nonmuslim head. I am glad I want all of those.
Wow we're the same, we could be brothers. Lets hook up.
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Ottomania wrote:

usmarine wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:


the same news that tells you about the evil armenians and the nerve they had for trying to exist?
well he also thinks turkey should own northern iraq so.....
not only northern.. whole of it and I want armenia too. look at my nick: ottoman-ia. If I have chance I would massacred all kurds and armenians. also I beg iran to nuke israel. and I request alqueda to achive more kamikazes like 9-11 frequently. russia and north korea should blow usa out of map. I want sharia and I want to chop nonmuslim head. I am glad I want all of those.
The sarcasm detector either just went off the scale and into the fourth dimension or MI6 is gonna have a field day with a global domination plan
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

wtf, Bush and the Americans are evil though.  They blew up Iraq to distract people from the fact that 9/11 was an inside job and now for the republican to win the election they have to create another war in the middle east in another country to fear monger people into voting for McCain and his secretary bitch. 

Dude, I think you could use a dose of reality.  You should hear out the Irish Britians.
I'm seriously hoping you are being sarcastic.
1. It's way too late to start a war to help Republicans win the election. In reality it would probably have the opposite effect and you would see a massive swing for Obama.
2. Americans are evil... Red Cross, Loans to African countries, independent people and corporations giving huge sums of money to unfortunate people in third world countries, US Navy response to the tsunami in India, the list goes on and on.
3. I'm not even going to argue about September 11th, you have your own preset idea on it and nothing I say or do will change your mind.

Dilbert_X wrote:

How so?
Israel has never been used by the US for military purposes, they never contribute their troops except for their own narrow national interests.
See any Israelis fighting and dying in Iraq or Afghanistan? Didn't think so.

The presence of Israel in the ME is an expensive liability to the US, it offers no return whatever, and makes no difference to the supply of oil either.
Israel sending troops into a Muslim country in the Middle East would be the start of a major war, probably World War III. If Israel (Jewish country) attacked any Muslim country the entire region would go to war to attack them. What it does provide the United States is a literal foothold in the ME. I myself have been to Israel to do joint training operations with the IDF a few kilometers (2.1 km I think) from the Palestine border. The United States wants to be able to secure it's oil in the region and Israel is a perfect location to stage from. You have to think from pre and post Iraq invasion the United States will need bases, airstrips, and staging areas.


On another note about the Irish Special Forces for those of you that have never been in the military. If you are sent to Iraq on a deployment you are  sent with the realization of knowing you might have to kill someone. If you are sent on a mission you are more than likely going to pull the trigger. You don't sign up for a special operations unit or a volunteer military without the ability and/or want to put rounds down range and on target (shoot and kill someone on the opposing side). So you're ultra awesome Irish Spec Ops are pretty darn good yes, are they morally superior to US Spec Ops, no. They have the same set of mind/mind frame.
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usmarine
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Ridir wrote:

shalom
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usmarine wrote:

Ridir wrote:

shalom
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Ridir wrote:

shalom
Hi, arent Juniper Cobra by mistake?

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Braddock
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Ridir wrote:

On another note about the Irish Special Forces for those of you that have never been in the military. If you are sent to Iraq on a deployment you are  sent with the realization of knowing you might have to kill someone. If you are sent on a mission you are more than likely going to pull the trigger. You don't sign up for a special operations unit or a volunteer military without the ability and/or want to put rounds down range and on target (shoot and kill someone on the opposing side). So you're ultra awesome Irish Spec Ops are pretty darn good yes, are they morally superior to US Spec Ops, no. They have the same set of mind/mind frame.
I will stress this point again for those of you who are not picking it up... all of the news coverage surrounding this case when it was in the headlines stated that the Irish Rangers went to Iraq in an ADVISORY capacity. Do advisors usually see much action on the battlefield? Are they morally superior to US Special Ops? Well in general terms, no, they are both on the same moral ground in terms of their training and mindset but in terms of the Iraq war, yes they are, because they have not engaged in a preemptive war on a country that posed no credible threat to the homeland... but that's not really US troops' fault, it's more down to the politicians who sent them there at the end of the day.
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Braddock wrote:

I will stress this point again for those of you who are not picking it up... all of the news coverage surrounding this case when it was in the headlines stated that the Irish Rangers went to Iraq in an ADVISORY capacity. Do advisors usually see much action on the battlefield?
The first US troops in Vietnam were advisors, too.
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