Poll

Agree, Disagree?

Agree whole-heartedly, Michael Moore is a genius!11%11% - 6
Agree with most of it...greedy fuckers should pay.50%50% - 27
Don't know, don't care...3%3% - 2
Disagree, even if I like it, it has MM's name on it.16%16% - 9
Disagree, I'm a proud wingnut until the Rapture comes!16%16% - 9
Total: 53
Christbane
Member
+51|6540
so this was thought up and presented by Michael Moore?  I honestly find that hard to believe.  maybe someone that sucks on his man tits did and said. "hey Mike!!!  check this out! you can claim it's yours!"  he was hilarious 15 years ago when he did stunts like setting off car alarms at the house of a guy who owned one of the car alarm companies.   now he is just a fucking attention seeking moron.
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6774
We should just kill everyone in the whole world, I'd would sure as hell solve this econ crysis.

We should start with the Germans, Russians and Chinese since they don't have souls.
topthrill05
Member
+125|6883|Rochester NY USA
Well he did have some good points.

You don't need to be an expert to have an opinion.
Vax
Member
+42|6157|Flyover country
Null

(poll seems to be sarcastic anyway)


I saw this yesterday

Dave Ramsey wrote:

The Common Sense Fix
Years of bad decisions and stupid mistakes have created an economic nightmare in this country,
but $700 billion in new debt is not the answer. As a tax-paying American citizen, I will not support
any congressperson who votes to implement such a policy. Instead, I submit the following threestep
Common Sense Plan.
I. INSURANCE
a. Insure the subprime bonds/mortgages with an underlying FHA-type insurance.
Government-insured and backed loans would have an instant market all over the
world, creating immediate and needed liquidity.
b. In order for a company to accept the government-backed insurance, they must do two
things:
1. Rewrite any mortgage that is more than three months delinquent to a
6% fixed-rate mortgage.
a. Roll all back payments with no late fees or legal costs into the
balance. This brings homeowners current and allows them a
chance to keep their homes.
b. Cancel all prepayment penalties to encourage refinancing or
the sale of the property to pay off the bad loan. In the event of
foreclosure or short sale, the borrower will not be held liable
for any deficit balance. FHA does this now, and that
encourages mortgage companies to go the extra mile while
working with the borrower—again limiting foreclosures and
ruined lives.
2. Cancel ALL golden parachutes of EXISTING and FUTURE CEOs and
executive team members as long as the company holds these
government-insured bonds/mortgages. This keeps underperforming
executives from being paid when they don’t do their jobs.
c. This backstop will cost less than $50 billion—a small fraction of the current proposal.
II. MARK TO MARKET
a. Remove mark to market accounting rules for two years on only subprime Tier III
bonds/mortgages. This keeps companies from being forced to artificially mark down
bonds/mortgages below the value of the underlying mortgages and real estate.
b. This move creates patience in the market and has an immediate stabilizing effect on
failing and ailing banks—and it costs the taxpayer nothing.
III. CAPITAL GAINS TAX
a. Remove the capital gains tax completely. Investors will flood the real estate and stock
market in search of tax-free profits, creating tremendous—and immediate—liquidity in
the markets. Again, this costs the taxpayer nothing.
b. This move will be seen as a lightning rod politically because many will say it is helping
the rich. The truth is the rich will benefit, but it will be their money that stimulates the
economy. This will enable all Americans to have more stable jobs and retirement
investments that go up instead of down.
This is not a time for envy, and it’s not a time for politics. It’s time for all of us, as Americans,
tostand up, speak out, and fix this mess.
I'm no expert but it sounds good to me
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
+510|6055|شمال
Where is the source?
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
Vax
Member
+42|6157|Flyover country

Beduin wrote:

Where is the source?
Sorry I forgot that not everybody knows of him 

He is a populist radio show guy who has a get-out-of-debt message. He makes his money selling self help economics to the masses, with books, lectures, programs (probably  infomercials) etc

As sketchy as that sounds ..I thought his ideas about the current situation were good

http://www.daveramsey.com/ 

http://www.ncnblog.com/2008/10/01/dave- … e-bailout/





But I guess it's irrelevant at this point, the bill has already been passed.
Pierre
I hunt criminals down for a living
+68|6981|Belgium
I agree with the following:

1) APPOINT A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO CRIMINALLY INDICT ANYONE ON WALL STREET WHO KNOWINGLY CONTRIBUTED TO THIS COLLAPSE.

4) IF YOUR BANK OR COMPANY GETS ANY OF OUR MONEY IN A "BAILOUT," THEN WE OWN YOU.

5) ALL REGULATIONS MUST BE RESTORED. THE REAGAN REVOLUTION IS DEAD.

7) NO EXECUTIVE SHOULD BE PAID MORE THAN 40 TIMES THEIR AVERAGE EMPLOYEE, AND NO EXECUTIVE SHOULD RECEIVE ANY KIND OF "PARACHUTE" OTHER THAN THE VERY GENEROUS SALARY HE OR SHE MADE WHILE WORKING FOR THE COMPANY.

8) STRENGTHEN THE FDIC AND MAKE IT A MODEL FOR PROTECTING NOT ONLY PEOPLE'S SAVINGS, BUT ALSO THEIR PENSIONS AND THEIR HOMES.
Pierre
I hunt criminals down for a living
+68|6981|Belgium

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

Reminds me of another funny story I read today...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … tml?sub=AR

Poor Kathleen Parker, long-time hate and smear artist working for the right wing, suddenly discovers who the real assholes are.  Its like someone told her there really isn't a Santa Claus.
In her article about Sarah Palin (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 03268.html)

Kathleen Parker wrote:

If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6411|eXtreme to the maX
Michael Moore isn't an economist.
The current crop of expert economists, Harvard MBAs etc have screwed up royally.
Give MM a go, even if he is an opinionated hypocrite.
Fuck Israel
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6411|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:

Mikey forgot to include a provision for prosecuting any politicians who knowingly contributed to this. That would clear out much of the House and Senate.
And we're waiting for what?
Fuck Israel
mikkel
Member
+383|6907
Anyone who talks about significant taxation to raise x amount in y time without bothering to even briefly mention the negative consequences is really not someone whose opinion I want to consider on the matter. Tax and spend! Let someone else pay our bills!
topal63
. . .
+533|7024

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

topal63 wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

The pro baseball player with a .350 batting average struck out...so let's call in my cousin in little league to get us a hit.
The pro baseball player struck out, broke his arm, and let go of the bat. It hit the pitcher in the face. They're both in the hospital now. The two teams went at each other and someone in the stands pulled out a sniper riffle and started shooting random players and fans. The people ran out of the stadium trampling and killing hundreds of people; and someone claimed they saw a bunch of Muslims! Baseball attendance over the next months fell by 80% and... what are we talking about again? Oh yeah... you're being cute or whatnot. Whatever.
And the pro baseball player can still hit better than my cousin in little league.
Well considering it isn't actually the hitters - that we're talking about. I'll entertain this nonsense (poorly drawn analogies) just a bit further.

There is a trend that needs to be dealt with. And, it isn't the talented players that fucked things up - it is the managers, the coaches, those who run things that fucked up. It is utterly non sequitur - to suggest that talent caused such a massive problem and that what didn't cause the problem; should be called talent and given another step-up to the plate to strike out again. The managers; these architects; of failure most certainly should not be given another chance. It is rather common that such people get fired and new talent and ideas are sought after instead.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-10-02 07:56:42)

FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Mikey forgot to include a provision for prosecuting any politicians who knowingly contributed to this. That would clear out much of the House and Senate.
And we're waiting for what?
Don't know...hang 'em.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6649|tropical regions of london
politics is compromise, this is far from it. 



and FEOS is not undecided.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6847|Texas - Bigger than France
Moore / Jigglypuff for Prez 2012!
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6596|Éire
I'm no economist but I say completely deregulate the financial system, remove all checks and balances, then go and put on some popcorn and get yourself a nice ringside seat for the show.

Last edited by Braddock (2008-10-03 07:08:12)

topal63
. . .
+533|7024

Pug wrote:

Moore / Jigglypuff for Prez 2012!
Isn't a jigglypuff a type of pokemon?
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6847|Texas - Bigger than France
You be a smart one
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6805|so randum
https://www.abc.net.au/arts/film/stories/moore/mike_moore2.jpg

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https://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Highrise/5239/pjigglypuff17.jpg
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
HollisHurlbut
Member
+51|6303

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

Instead, they get high-ranking staff positions in the Bush administration if they get caught scamming...look at Thomas White, cooked the shit out of Enron's books, bankrupted California manipulating the energy markets, then jumped straight to Secretary of the Army.  Its surreal.
I call STUPID on you.  Do you even bother to check your facts?  First of all, White was in charge of facility construction when he was at Enron.  There wasn't a whole lot he could do to pull some fast accounting tricks.  Second, same thing goes for "bankrupting" California's energy markets.  Third, White became Secretary of the Army in mid-2001, six months before anything about Enron's malfeasance was known, so your premise of "fuck up, move up" is, in your example, clearly... well... fucked up.
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6828|...

Michael Moore could have the cure to aids and cancer and I would not care.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

God Save the Queen wrote:

politics is compromise, this is far from it. 



and FEOS is not undecided.
Really? My blank absentee ballot says differently.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

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