lolDilbert_X wrote:
Internet? Switzerland.
Why not Zimbabwe?
Why not Zimbabwe?
Almost every OP is opinion. And there's always room for a debate. Just say what you wanna say. Imho the rest is excuses.Pug wrote:
I'm staying out of this one actually. Most of OP is opinion, as well as the title "Doom". There's no room left to debate, and I'm not willing to go "full retard" today.oug wrote:
pm me and i'll quote youPug wrote:
I'd like to refute Cam's OP, but it's directed to the non-American members of this forum.
Rats.
problem solved
edit: our names are the same anyway. Well more or less...
It's a brilliant post from an earlier closed topic. http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=110460
There's not much difference between the two. I would have perfered the closed topic over this one...links to references make me dizzy.
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As an American I seriously take in account other countries population Views. Cause as USMarine said the president is a figure head and someone that actually needs to be held in high regard by other countries. Respect is everything and when we have a president/vice president that most Americans can't respect, then how can we expect the rest of the world to take us seriously?
Poe has made a very valid point about the appearance of leadership is importance, a lot of our economy is based on peoples willingness to invest and it's questionable that McCains going to make the 8 years and her back ground as a human being. Clinton got impeached for a blow job(which was a personal matter, not a public one) and now half of you are defending a woman who has bigger questionable blotches on her record before she's even in office.
P.S. it's pretty much a Moot point because I hope that american's are smarter then to put us through four more years of what I like to call "the wait and see Government"
Poe has made a very valid point about the appearance of leadership is importance, a lot of our economy is based on peoples willingness to invest and it's questionable that McCains going to make the 8 years and her back ground as a human being. Clinton got impeached for a blow job(which was a personal matter, not a public one) and now half of you are defending a woman who has bigger questionable blotches on her record before she's even in office.
P.S. it's pretty much a Moot point because I hope that american's are smarter then to put us through four more years of what I like to call "the wait and see Government"
ya ok. i know it is up for debate that no one person invented it, but if you are trying to say the US did not have more influence and developed it more than ireland or any other country, you are sadly wrong.Lisik wrote:
lolDilbert_X wrote:
Internet? Switzerland.
Why not Zimbabwe?
Last edited by usmarine (2008-09-24 10:20:16)
Who cares, it was privately done?
But I think we've done our fair share of enhancing the porn on the web.. We're right up there with japan
But I think we've done our fair share of enhancing the porn on the web.. We're right up there with japan
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no funny guy. calling other people names is fine. but when he is supposed to be mr hall of fame uber poster, and his OP and responses refer to someone with demeaning names is accepted yet celebrated and echoed is lame at best.ATG wrote:
usmarine is a name calling name caller.
it became a public one when he perjured himself on the stand. this was the reason he was impeached - not because he had sex (or not had sex as he says) in the oval office. most people could give a shit less whether he had infidelity - it's the fact that he lied under oath. honestly i don't blame him for getting the hummer. hillary probably froze him out years agocpt.fass1 wrote:
Clinton got impeached for a blow job(which was a personal matter, not a public one)
are you reading anything cam writes? half his threads have been name calling like a little kid (not towards other members) and you want people to stay on topic and take it seriously. i did respond to him. he just kept babbling with childish name calling. you seemed to miss it also. or, maybe you didnt miss it by mistake. some of us tried to respond seriously mr. egg, but you let him act like an asshole about it.Varegg wrote:
If you hear that so often maybe it's time to do something about it ?usmarine wrote:
bull fucking shit. i am so sick of hearing that. i have said my bit to him, yet he continues to name call like a little kid (which you allow) and talk about a state like it is meaningless.Varegg wrote:
but you don't back up your statements or rebut his
I allow no more name calling that the other mods but as mentioned most posts in DST would be gone if deleted because of name calling and you in particular are in the top 10 when it comes to name calling anyways so why complain about it ...
And this thread has others discussing the OP, which have not produced any fruit on either side of the "debate". What exactly would I be able to add?oug wrote:
Almost every OP is opinion. And there's always room for a debate. Just say what you wanna say. Imho the rest is excuses.
Oh, entertainment...
Who, me? I was joking.... internet was made by US military.usmarine wrote:
ya ok. i know it is up for debate that no one person invented it, but if you are trying to say the US did not have more influence and developed it more than ireland or any other country, you are sadly wrong.Lisik wrote:
lolDilbert_X wrote:
Internet? Switzerland.
Why not Zimbabwe?
no not you. you were just caught in the line of fire. i was speaking to dogbert.Lisik wrote:
Who, me? I was joking.... internet was made by US military.usmarine wrote:
ya ok. i know it is up for debate that no one person invented it, but if you are trying to say the US did not have more influence and developed it more than ireland or any other country, you are sadly wrong.Lisik wrote:
lol
Why not Zimbabwe?
Ok, if you need some ammo just tell..usmarine wrote:
no not you. you were just caught in the line of fire. i was speaking to dogbert.Lisik wrote:
Who, me? I was joking.... internet was made by US military.usmarine wrote:
ya ok. i know it is up for debate that no one person invented it, but if you are trying to say the US did not have more influence and developed it more than ireland or any other country, you are sadly wrong.
Without networks, no internet.Vilham wrote:
lol did you just call a LAN the internet? DARPA invented networks. That's not hard to do tbh lots of people were trying the same thing at that time, DARPA was just first, making the protocols etc are what make the internet, not the hardware.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
For the record, the internet was NOT invented by Tim Berners-Lee. He came up with the idea of hypertext and its application into the browser making the WWW a physical reality and shorter mental jump for the average person to use the infrastructure. Certainly a great accomplishment but clearly not inventing the infrastructure called 'internet'. The internet was developed as early as the 60s through DARPA
http://www.boutell.com/newfaq/history/inventednet.html
Berners-Lee is a genius, but he simply took what was there and revolutionized it. (what Spaulding said)
Now There's something actually worthy of the thread title.Kmarion wrote:
Religious zealots with power, Doom.
A real example:
Ahmadinejad @ UN September 23 2008
http://i34.tinypic.com/2z8oihh.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/2j4scxv.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/27y5taf.jpg
The Mahdi is on his way to uplift the righteous and destroy the wicked.
http://www.un.org/ga/63/generaldebate/pdf/iran_en.pdf
Palin is bad for our country.
She is already rattling sabers.
Enough already.
We want peace not conflict.
Talk softly but carry a big stick. Lead by example.
Stop being a kettle calling the pot black, it's embarrassing.
She is already rattling sabers.
Enough already.
We want peace not conflict.
Talk softly but carry a big stick. Lead by example.
Stop being a kettle calling the pot black, it's embarrassing.
erm...and obama is not doing that? lol. wow. you need meds broATG wrote:
She is already rattling sabers.
We want peace not conflict.
some people believe that islam itself is the problem and it's time to bring that stick out.ATG wrote:
Palin is bad for our country.
She is already rattling sabers.
Enough already.
We want peace not conflict.
Talk softly but carry a big stick. Lead by example.
Stop being a kettle calling the pot black, it's embarrassing.
Dilbert_X wrote:
Invent and Produce any cars ever and sell them worldwide? Germany, Britain.
- Those are the only countries to have done that?
Airplanes? Germany again, jet engine was invented in Britain.
- Revisionist history much? Germany did not invent the airplane. First sustained heavier-than air flight was by the Wright Brothers, in America.
Space? Russia - first in pretty much everything apart from the moon, the geosynchronous satellite was invented by Arther C Clarke - a Brit.
- Not so much. Reading before making uninformed statements is a good thing...give it a try.
- Nobody "invented" the geosynchronous satellite. Geosynchronous is an orbit, not a widget. You can put anything into geo orbit.
- Arthur C. Clarke was the first to come up with the concept, but who put the first comm satellite into geo orbit? The US.
GPS? Based on British and German WW2 rangefinding and location technology and the original Sputnik.
- Only if you don't bother to read its actual history.
Internet? Switzerland.
- Try DARPA. That's a US entity, btw.
- Advertising something and inventing something are completely different things.
Apparently--based on your post above, at least--so are euros. Except our invention in this instance actually works.Dilbert_X wrote:
The Americans are very good at inventing - the idea that they invented stuff.
#2 (GM) and #4 (Ford) world-wide for production and sales. Yeah...they suck something horrible. Suck so bad that the only companies that beat them are Toyota (#1) and VW (#3).Dilbert_X wrote:
PS US cars suck, I guess thats why y'all buy Toyota.
wiki wrote:
General Motors Corporation (GM) is a multinational automobile manufacturer founded in 1908 and headquartered in the United States. GM is the world's largest automaker as measured by global industry sales[7] and has been the sales leader for the last 77 calendar years. As of 2008, General Motors employs about 284,000 people around the world. It manufactures its cars and trucks in 35 different countries and sells them under the brands of Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GM Daewoo, GMC, Holden, Hummer, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Vauxhall, and Wuling.[8]
So...Daewoo, Holden, Opel, Saab, Vauxhall, Wuling, Volvo, Mazda, Aston Martin (recently), Jaguar (recently), and Land Rover (recently) all suck, eh?wiki wrote:
Ford Motor Company is an American multinational corporation and the world's fourth largest automaker based on worldwide vehicle sales, following Toyota, General Motors and Volkswagen. Based in Dearborn, Michigan, a suburb of Detroit, the automaker was founded by Henry Ford and incorporated on June 16, 1903. In addition to the Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury brands sold in the US and elsewhere, Ford's international brands also include Volvo of Sweden; and Ford owns a one-third controlling interest in Mazda of Japan, and a small holding in former subsidiary Aston Martin of England. Ford's former UK subsidiaries Jaguar and Land Rover were sold to Tata Motors of India in March 2008.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
didnt you know the jet engine came before the wing?FEOS wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Invent and Produce any cars ever and sell them worldwide? Germany, Britain.
- Those are the only countries to have done that?
Airplanes? Germany again, jet engine was invented in Britain.
- Revisionist history much? Germany did not invent the airplane. First sustained heavier-than air flight was by the Wright Brothers, in America.
Space? Russia - first in pretty much everything apart from the moon, the geosynchronous satellite was invented by Arther C Clarke - a Brit.
- Not so much. Reading before making uninformed statements is a good thing...give it a try.
- Nobody "invented" the geosynchronous satellite. Geosynchronous is an orbit, not a widget. You can put anything into geo orbit.
- Arthur C. Clarke was the first to come up with the concept, but who put the first comm satellite into geo orbit? The US.
GPS? Based on British and German WW2 rangefinding and location technology and the original Sputnik.
- Only if you don't bother to read its actual history.
Internet? Switzerland.
- Try DARPA. That's a US entity, btw.
- Advertising something and inventing something are completely different things.Apparently--based on your post above, at least--so are euros. Except our invention in this instance actually works.Dilbert_X wrote:
The Americans are very good at inventing - the idea that they invented stuff.#2 (GM) and #4 (Ford) world-wide for production and sales. Yeah...they suck something horrible. Suck so bad that the only companies that beat them are Toyota (#1) and VW (#3).Dilbert_X wrote:
PS US cars suck, I guess thats why y'all buy Toyota.
wiki wrote:
General Motors Corporation (GM) is a multinational automobile manufacturer founded in 1908 and headquartered in the United States. GM is the world's largest automaker as measured by global industry sales[7] and has been the sales leader for the last 77 calendar years. As of 2008, General Motors employs about 284,000 people around the world. It manufactures its cars and trucks in 35 different countries and sells them under the brands of Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GM Daewoo, GMC, Holden, Hummer, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Vauxhall, and Wuling.[8]So...Daewoo, Holden, Opel, Saab, Vauxhall, Wuling, Volvo, Mazda, Aston Martin (recently), Jaguar (recently), and Land Rover (recently) all suck, eh?wiki wrote:
Ford Motor Company is an American multinational corporation and the world's fourth largest automaker based on worldwide vehicle sales, following Toyota, General Motors and Volkswagen. Based in Dearborn, Michigan, a suburb of Detroit, the automaker was founded by Henry Ford and incorporated on June 16, 1903. In addition to the Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury brands sold in the US and elsewhere, Ford's international brands also include Volvo of Sweden; and Ford owns a one-third controlling interest in Mazda of Japan, and a small holding in former subsidiary Aston Martin of England. Ford's former UK subsidiaries Jaguar and Land Rover were sold to Tata Motors of India in March 2008.
That's correctFEOS wrote:
So...Daewoo, Holden, Opel, Saab, Vauxhall, Wuling, Volvo, Mazda, Aston Martin (recently), Jaguar (recently), and Land Rover (recently) all suck, eh?
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
I mostly agree. Germany is the only country to invent the car - I have no idea what Britain supposedly has to do with it (same with the Jet engine).FEOS wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Invent and Produce any cars ever and sell them worldwide? Germany, Britain.
- Those are the only countries to have done that?
Airplanes? Germany again, jet engine was invented in Britain.
- Revisionist history much? Germany did not invent the airplane. First sustained heavier-than air flight was by the Wright Brothers, in America.
Space? Russia - first in pretty much everything apart from the moon, the geosynchronous satellite was invented by Arther C Clarke - a Brit.
- Not so much. Reading before making uninformed statements is a good thing...give it a try.
- Nobody "invented" the geosynchronous satellite. Geosynchronous is an orbit, not a widget. You can put anything into geo orbit.
- Arthur C. Clarke was the first to come up with the concept, but who put the first comm satellite into geo orbit? The US.
GPS? Based on British and German WW2 rangefinding and location technology and the original Sputnik.
- Only if you don't bother to read its actual history.
Internet? Switzerland.
- Try DARPA. That's a US entity, btw.
- Advertising something and inventing something are completely different things.
Also, your point about advertising the Web is pretty much rubbish. Tim Berners Lee invented it at CERN (in Switzerland) to use at work. CERN liked it so much they promoted the idea and got it into mass scale usage. So the Web WAS invented in Switzerland (by a Brit) - but the Web is not the Internet (though it may be the more important concept in terms of the Internet we use today). But it's hard to say whether the Web or TCP/IP networks define the Internet as an overall entity better. I'd have to say that no one person or nation can really take full credit for the Internet (but some can certainly claim more than others and the US is certainly very, very high up on that list).
Dilbert doesn't seem to know who's invented what.
Yes but don't for a second think that DARPA were the only ones even close to making networks, there were lots of other people developing LANs at exactly the same time.Vax wrote:
Without networks, no internet.Vilham wrote:
lol did you just call a LAN the internet? DARPA invented networks. That's not hard to do tbh lots of people were trying the same thing at that time, DARPA was just first, making the protocols etc are what make the internet, not the hardware.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
For the record, the internet was NOT invented by Tim Berners-Lee. He came up with the idea of hypertext and its application into the browser making the WWW a physical reality and shorter mental jump for the average person to use the infrastructure. Certainly a great accomplishment but clearly not inventing the infrastructure called 'internet'. The internet was developed as early as the 60s through DARPA
http://www.boutell.com/newfaq/history/inventednet.html
Berners-Lee is a genius, but he simply took what was there and revolutionized it. (what Spaulding said)
There was no one else who came up with good set of protocols straight up from no previous examples like Berners-Lee.
There also is no such thing as "the internet" its just a series of separate networks owned by different people connected with hubs.
DARPA didn't "invent" the internet either, they were simply the first to expand their own network.
That was my point. Indeed Berners-Lee didn't invent the internet, NO ONE did. DARPA did not invent the internet.
DARPA invented TCP/IP. Those protocols define the Internet pretty damn well (it called Internet Protocol Suite for fucks sake) - but the concept at the heart of the Web is equally important. Berners Lee may have had more vision than the guys at DARPA (and his current projects look very interesting and are brilliant concepts that could again redefine the way we use the Internet), but there is no denying that DARPA built the foundations for creating the network platform that the Internet uses/is.Vilham wrote:
DARPA didn't "invent" the internet either, they were simply the first to expand their own network.
That was my point. Indeed Berners-Lee didn't invent the internet, NO ONE did. DARPA did not invent the internet.
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Respect is earned (or lost) by actions, not preconceptions. And just what demographic are you referring to when you say "most Americans can't respect" when referencing a pres/vp? A pissed off Irishman on an internet gaming forum does not equate to "most Americans".cpt.fass1 wrote:
As an American I seriously take in account other countries population Views. Cause as USMarine said the president is a figure head and someone that actually needs to be held in high regard by other countries. Respect is everything and when we have a president/vice president that most Americans can't respect, then how can we expect the rest of the world to take us seriously?
It's questionable whether ANY president will make it through ANY term. Too many variables. As has been pointed out, Clinton got impeached for perjury, not getting a blowjob. Has Palin been indicted, much less convicted, of a crime such as perjury? If not, then just what are these "bigger questionable blotches on her record"? And, she's in office, btw...Governor of Alaska.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Poe has made a very valid point about the appearance of leadership is importance, a lot of our economy is based on peoples willingness to invest and it's questionable that McCains going to make the 8 years and her back ground as a human being. Clinton got impeached for a blow job(which was a personal matter, not a public one) and now half of you are defending a woman who has bigger questionable blotches on her record before she's even in office.
Nobody knows at this point, as neither ticket has said anything concrete about their positions. Just mud-slinging attack bullshit. Once...just once...I'd like to see a candidate explain why I should vote for them, vice why I shouldn't vote for the other guy. It's like a car salesman trying to sell you his car by tearing down the competition's product.cpt.fass1 wrote:
P.S. it's pretty much a Moot point because I hope that american's are smarter then to put us through four more years of what I like to call "the wait and see Government"
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
The world wide web =/= the Internet. Yes, the development of http was critical to the spread of the internet, but it did not (and does not) define it...the underlying protocols do (like TCP/IP, which was invented by ARPA).Bertster7 wrote:
Also, your point about advertising the Web is pretty much rubbish. Tim Berners Lee invented it at CERN (in Switzerland) to use at work. CERN liked it so much they promoted the idea and got it into mass scale usage. So the Web WAS invented in Switzerland (by a Brit) - but the Web is not the Internet (though it may be the more important concept in terms of the Internet we use today). But it's hard to say whether the Web or TCP/IP networks define the Internet as an overall entity better. I'd have to say that no one person or nation can really take full credit for the Internet (but some can certainly claim more than others and the US is certainly very, very high up on that list).
Dilbert doesn't seem to know who's invented what.
Regardless, since Al Gore invented the damn thing, America gets all the credit.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular