If speaking up for the baby's life when the parents disregard his/her value is "interference", so be it. The "right" of the mother to give thumbs up or down for her baby's life is trumpeted and lauded, but what of the baby's right to live as a human being?Varegg wrote:
You as Americans hold your right to govern your own life in such a degree i find it odd that you interfeer with what other people do when it comes to abortion ... while you are at it you may call curing a desease against the will of God, airbags saving your life in an accident must surely be against Gods will ... i call it progress, choose not to have a disabled child long before it's even close to being called life ...
If you could test your sperm to determine if you could have a perfect child would you do that ?
You obviously hated the movie Gattaca.Stingray24 wrote:
If speaking up for the baby's life when the parents disregard his/her value is "interference", so be it. The "right" of the mother to give thumbs up or down for her baby's life is trumpeted and lauded, but what of the baby's right to live as a human being?Varegg wrote:
You as Americans hold your right to govern your own life in such a degree i find it odd that you interfeer with what other people do when it comes to abortion ... while you are at it you may call curing a desease against the will of God, airbags saving your life in an accident must surely be against Gods will ... i call it progress, choose not to have a disabled child long before it's even close to being called life ...
If you could test your sperm to determine if you could have a perfect child would you do that ?
You're comparing 2 methods of saving a life (disease cure/airbags) to a procedure that ends a human life.
If such a sperm test was possible, no, I would not do it. First, such a test would be ridiculous because one cannot know which sperm will unite with the egg. Second, I would never choose to abort my child, so any such tests are pointless.
The sanctity of life is a beautiful idea - inside or outside of a religious context. I applaud and agree with you - but we live in a mean society and we live in a lean society. The asset allocation as well as personal choice belongs with the individual not the mean society (whether instructing to or not to have a baby). To say you must is as obnoxious as saying you mustn't. To me the reasons to have or not have (a child) don't even need to exist.Stingray24 wrote:
If speaking up for the baby's life when the parents disregard his/her value is "interference", so be it. The "right" of the mother to give thumbs up or down for her baby's life is trumpeted and lauded, but what of the baby's right to live as a human being?Varegg wrote:
You as Americans hold your right to govern your own life in such a degree i find it odd that you interfeer with what other people do when it comes to abortion ... while you are at it you may call curing a desease against the will of God, airbags saving your life in an accident must surely be against Gods will ... i call it progress, choose not to have a disabled child long before it's even close to being called life ...
If you could test your sperm to determine if you could have a perfect child would you do that ?
You're comparing 2 methods of saving a life (disease cure/airbags) to a procedure that ends a human life.
If such a sperm test was possible, no, I would not do it. First, such a test would be ridiculous because one cannot know which sperm will unite with the egg. Second, I would never choose to abort my child, so any such tests are pointless.
Good for you, but many people don't share the same opinion as you. Some people don't see why life should be sacred.Stingray24 wrote:
Indeed it is beautiful. There is nothing more beautiful than my wife with child and holding my children in my arms for the first time. I simply ask that abortion be preceded by taking appropriate measures to prevent pregnancy rather than using abortion as final birth control. That should not be difficult for intelligent adults, especially with all the options available in modern society.
How many couples would adopt a disabled child, when they could adopt a normal one. When you had the choice, which one, would you take? Be honest.Stingray24 wrote:
There is a third option that you failed to consider ... adoption by countless couple who who cannot conceive children of their own. The red tape and cost that holds up many adoptions needs to be eliminated so loving couples can adopt these children.
That really is the essense of the discussion isn't it ... is it really life or just a paracite within the 1 trimester ?Stingray24 wrote:
If speaking up for the baby's life when the parents disregard his/her value is "interference", so be it. The "right" of the mother to give thumbs up or down for her baby's life is trumpeted and lauded, but what of the baby's right to live as a human being?Varegg wrote:
You as Americans hold your right to govern your own life in such a degree i find it odd that you interfeer with what other people do when it comes to abortion ... while you are at it you may call curing a desease against the will of God, airbags saving your life in an accident must surely be against Gods will ... i call it progress, choose not to have a disabled child long before it's even close to being called life ...
If you could test your sperm to determine if you could have a perfect child would you do that ?
You're comparing 2 methods of saving a life (disease cure/airbags) to a procedure that ends a human life.
If such a sperm test was possible, no, I would not do it. First, such a test would be ridiculous because one cannot know which sperm will unite with the egg. Second, I would never choose to abort my child, so any such tests are pointless.
What about rape?LividBovine wrote:
Abortion is never an option.
What if they can't?LividBovine wrote:
Unless it is for the survival of the mother, and even then if it was me, and it came down to me or the child, well see ya later. Hope my family can get along without me.
Way to put no value on your life.jord wrote:
Oh and Masterstyle. "How would you feel if your mother didn't give you a chance at life"?
Well I wouldn't feel anything would I. Ya know, not being alive and all. Can anyone remember there 9 months in the womb?
How would you feel? Remember, you wouldn't be alive. Choose your words carefully.Roc18 wrote:
Way to put no value on your life.jord wrote:
Oh and Masterstyle. "How would you feel if your mother didn't give you a chance at life"?
Well I wouldn't feel anything would I. Ya know, not being alive and all. Can anyone remember there 9 months in the womb?
You are taking my words out of context and ignoring my point.MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
How would you feel? Remember, you wouldn't be alive. Choose your words carefully.Roc18 wrote:
Way to put no value on your life.jord wrote:
Oh and Masterstyle. "How would you feel if your mother didn't give you a chance at life"?
Well I wouldn't feel anything would I. Ya know, not being alive and all. Can anyone remember there 9 months in the womb?
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Yeah. So how did you enjoy your 9 months in the womb? I'm sure you'd be gutted had you been aborted.Roc18 wrote:
Way to put no value on your life.jord wrote:
Oh and Masterstyle. "How would you feel if your mother didn't give you a chance at life"?
Well I wouldn't feel anything would I. Ya know, not being alive and all. Can anyone remember there 9 months in the womb?
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Its a serious question, how would you feel?Roc18 wrote:
You are taking my words out of context and ignoring my point.MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
How would you feel? Remember, you wouldn't be alive. Choose your words carefully.Roc18 wrote:
Way to put no value on your life.
Omg that doesnt mean anything, if you got aborted you wouldnt be living right now. You are saying just because you dont remember being in the womb means you dont mind your mother taking away your life.jord wrote:
Yeah. So how did you enjoy your 9 months in the womb? I'm sure you'd be gutted had you been aborted.Roc18 wrote:
Way to put no value on your life.jord wrote:
Oh and Masterstyle. "How would you feel if your mother didn't give you a chance at life"?
Well I wouldn't feel anything would I. Ya know, not being alive and all. Can anyone remember there 9 months in the womb?
Oh no wait. You wouldn't even have been conscious or aware you existed...
Sperm is different from a concieved babyjord wrote:
This tissue paper with my sperm on it has as much personality as you as a 1 day old foetus.
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Was that directed at me?jord wrote:
This tissue paper with my sperm on it has as much personality as you as a 1 day old foetus.
I wasn't alive in the womb. Neither of us are going to shift on this and you can't understand my opinion.Roc18 wrote:
Omg that doesnt mean anything, if you got aborted you wouldnt be living right now. You are saying just because you dont remember being in the womb means you dont mind your mother taking away your life.jord wrote:
Yeah. So how did you enjoy your 9 months in the womb? I'm sure you'd be gutted had you been aborted.Roc18 wrote:
Way to put no value on your life.
Oh no wait. You wouldn't even have been conscious or aware you existed...Sperm is different from a concieved babyjord wrote:
This tissue paper with my sperm on it has as much personality as you as a 1 day old foetus.
You were alive in the womb, zygotes and fetuses are developing humans that are alive.jord wrote:
I wasn't alive in the womb. Neither of us are going to shift on this and you can't understand my opinion.Roc18 wrote:
Omg that doesnt mean anything, if you got aborted you wouldnt be living right now. You are saying just because you dont remember being in the womb means you dont mind your mother taking away your life.jord wrote:
Yeah. So how did you enjoy your 9 months in the womb? I'm sure you'd be gutted had you been aborted.
Oh no wait. You wouldn't even have been conscious or aware you existed...Sperm is different from a concieved babyjord wrote:
This tissue paper with my sperm on it has as much personality as you as a 1 day old foetus.
I like my Freedoms and don't consider a 1 week old foetus a person.
You think you have the right to tell a woman that was raped and is carrying something she doesn't want to tell her to go through all that, and the pain of childbirth.
No, the fetus is a parasite, not a human life. It has a potential at human life, but it does not share the same rights as a grown human being.Roc18 wrote:
You were alive in the womb, zygotes and fetuses are developing humans that are alive.jord wrote:
I wasn't alive in the womb. Neither of us are going to shift on this and you can't understand my opinion.Roc18 wrote:
Omg that doesnt mean anything, if you got aborted you wouldnt be living right now. You are saying just because you dont remember being in the womb means you dont mind your mother taking away your life.jord wrote:
Yeah. So how did you enjoy your 9 months in the womb? I'm sure you'd be gutted had you been aborted.
Oh no wait. You wouldn't even have been conscious or aware you existed...
Sperm is different from a concieved baby
I like my Freedoms and don't consider a 1 week old foetus a person.
You think you have the right to tell a woman that was raped and is carrying something she doesn't want to tell her to go through all that, and the pain of childbirth.
If a woman is raped the solution isnt to get rid of the child that is growing in her stomach just because she doesnt want to go through childbirth, its a human life ffs. This is even less acceptable with people who accidentally get pregnant and still get rid of the child just because they dont want them, give them away for adoption and at least give the child their life.
Realistically I'm in no position to tell someone what to do because abortion is legal and it happens everyday, but I have this opinon and I want to share it.
Actually rape babies is one of the big things pro life people agree with pro choice people with.Roc18 wrote:
You were alive in the womb, zygotes and fetuses are developing humans that are alive.jord wrote:
I wasn't alive in the womb. Neither of us are going to shift on this and you can't understand my opinion.Roc18 wrote:
Omg that doesnt mean anything, if you got aborted you wouldnt be living right now. You are saying just because you dont remember being in the womb means you dont mind your mother taking away your life.jord wrote:
Yeah. So how did you enjoy your 9 months in the womb? I'm sure you'd be gutted had you been aborted.
Oh no wait. You wouldn't even have been conscious or aware you existed...
Sperm is different from a concieved baby
I like my Freedoms and don't consider a 1 week old foetus a person.
You think you have the right to tell a woman that was raped and is carrying something she doesn't want to tell her to go through all that, and the pain of childbirth.
If a woman is raped the solution isnt to get rid of the child that is growing in her stomach just because she doesnt want to go through childbirth, its a human life ffs. This is even less acceptable with people who accidentally get pregnant and still get rid of the child just because they dont want them, give them away for adoption and at least give the child their life.
Realistically I'm in no position to tell someone what to do because abortion is legal and it happens everyday, but I have this opinon and I want to share it.
