Icleos
Member
+101|7048
I live in Houston and was around when Hurricane Ike went through.
Been listening to the radio a lot since at that time I didn't have power but I heard a lot of stupid things people did during this time of crisis.

One of these incidents were three people decided to camp out on a pier, I believe there was some building where they decided to camp inside in, while Hurricane Ike made landfall.
Ike came through and caused significant damage to where the three men were stranded on the pier with no food or water.  Rescue teams had to be called to save them.  This of coarse pissed some those rescue teams off because they had to save people from their own stupidity instead of saving people who actually needed it.

Many other incidents happen where people had to be rescued from their cars because they thought their tank Humvee could make it through four feet of flood water...

It got me thinking as to people who put themselves in damage to the point where it has to affect the rescue team's priority duties, should probably face some sort of penalty during a crisis situation or disaster.  Perhaps being fined of reckless endangerment of one self in a disaster area?
Seemed reasonable but then this got me thinking about someone who didn't' want to be saved because of paying the fine.
If they got rescued against their wished could they sue?

What do you guys think?
Should there be a fine as a deterrent for making poor decisions against your well being, personal safety, and hindering rescue crews?

Last edited by Icleos (2008-09-17 17:38:14)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|6957|USA

Icleos wrote:

I live in Houston and was around when Hurricane Ike went through.
Been listening to the radio a lot since at that time I didn't have power but I heard a lot of stupid things people did during this time of crisis.

One of these incidents were three people decided to camp out on a pier, I believe there was some building where they decided to camp inside in, while Hurricane Ike made landfall.
Ike came through and caused significant damage to where the three men were stranded on the pier with no food or water.  Rescue teams had to be called to save them.  This of coarse pissed some those rescue teams off because they had to save people from their own stupidity instead of saving people who actually needed it.

Many other incidents happen where people had to be rescued from their cars because they thought their tank Humvee could make it through four feet of flood water...

It got me thinking as to people who put themselves in damage to the point where it has to affect the rescue team's priority duties, should probably face some sort of penalty during a crisis situation or disaster.  Perhaps being fined of reckless endangerment of one self in a disaster area?
Seemed reasonable but then this got me thinking about someone who didn't' want to be saved because of paying the fine.
If they got rescued against their wished could they sue?

What do you guys think?
Should there be a fine as a deterrent for making poor decisions against your well being, personal safety, and hindering rescue crews?
They should, based on the circumstances but it would cost a fortune t oprocess any cases so the money lost doing s owould not be made up in the money spent rescuing them.

Now, I have a question: do mountain climbers and such have t oreimburse for their own rescues? Iam thinking they do but I am no sure?
MGS3_GrayFox
Member
+50|6473
If stupid people didn't do stupid things, no one would need rescuing.
Schwarzelungen
drunklenglungen
+133|6602|Bloomington Indiana

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

If stupid people didn't do stupid things, no one would need rescuing.
beat me too it
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

If stupid people didn't do stupid things, no one would need rescuing.
what if a tornado ripped through your house and buried you underneath the debris?
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6007|College Park, MD

usmarine wrote:

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

If stupid people didn't do stupid things, no one would need rescuing.
what if a tornado ripped through your house and buried you underneath the debris?
inb4"buildastrongerhouse" (if so, just ask if it was an earthquake... let's see a building that can withstand a 10 on the richter)

It'd be difficult to prove what exactly is self endangerment and what exactly is, well, not your fault. I would have suggested some sort of "rescue triage" except that, well, it's hard to do that. If you find a person that needs rescuing, you might as well rescue first & ask later.

Last edited by Hurricane2k9 (2008-09-17 20:19:33)

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DK_Vision
Self-loathing narcissist.
+41|6675|QUT, GP.
It'd be somewhat hard to legislate correctly, and very open to exploitation. Also, a kick in the nuts after a kick in the nuts.
How do you delegate who is a victim of chance and who is a victim of their own stupidity?

People are always going to make bad choices, and tend not to know that they're bad decisions, else they wouldn't. If they didn't know it was a bad choice, how are they going to feel when you save them and tell them they're morons, and slap them with a fine?

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

It'd be difficult to prove what exactly is self endangerment and what exactly is, well, not your fault.
Yes, that. I need to type faster.

Last edited by DK_Vision (2008-09-17 20:25:45)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,818|6412|eXtreme to the maX
It'd be difficult to prove what exactly is self endangerment and what exactly is, well, not your fault.
Then the emergency services should be free to sue fuckwits to recover their costs, let the courts decide.
Fuck Israel
jord
Member
+2,382|6984|The North, beyond the wall.
I'd rather they didn't rescue me than they rescue me and I have to pay.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7042|Salt Lake City

lowing wrote:

Icleos wrote:

I live in Houston and was around when Hurricane Ike went through.
Been listening to the radio a lot since at that time I didn't have power but I heard a lot of stupid things people did during this time of crisis.

One of these incidents were three people decided to camp out on a pier, I believe there was some building where they decided to camp inside in, while Hurricane Ike made landfall.
Ike came through and caused significant damage to where the three men were stranded on the pier with no food or water.  Rescue teams had to be called to save them.  This of coarse pissed some those rescue teams off because they had to save people from their own stupidity instead of saving people who actually needed it.

Many other incidents happen where people had to be rescued from their cars because they thought their tank Humvee could make it through four feet of flood water...

It got me thinking as to people who put themselves in damage to the point where it has to affect the rescue team's priority duties, should probably face some sort of penalty during a crisis situation or disaster.  Perhaps being fined of reckless endangerment of one self in a disaster area?
Seemed reasonable but then this got me thinking about someone who didn't' want to be saved because of paying the fine.
If they got rescued against their wished could they sue?

What do you guys think?
Should there be a fine as a deterrent for making poor decisions against your well being, personal safety, and hindering rescue crews?
They should, based on the circumstances but it would cost a fortune t oprocess any cases so the money lost doing s owould not be made up in the money spent rescuing them.

Now, I have a question: do mountain climbers and such have t oreimburse for their own rescues? Iam thinking they do but I am no sure?
In Utah if S&R has to go out and recover a hurt or stranded hiker/climber, they are in fact billed for at least part of the rescue costs.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6848|Texas - Bigger than France

Icleos wrote:

What do you guys think?
Should there be a fine as a deterrent for making poor decisions against your well being, personal safety, and hindering rescue crews?
I read an article quoting the director of FEMA: "If a mandatory evacuation is ordered and you stay, you are basically on your own.  You have waived your rights to emergency services.  We might not be able to save you if you are in endangered."

So yeah, I'd like to see each of those pier guys get a $10,000 invoice for "helicopter services".  Or jail.  Or better yet: put them on the hurricane crews to clean the place up with no pay.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6887|SE London

usmarine wrote:

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

If stupid people didn't do stupid things, no one would need rescuing.
what if a tornado ripped through your house and buried you underneath the debris?
If it's your house, surely your home insurance would take care of any such costs anyway though.....
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

Bertster7 wrote:

usmarine wrote:

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

If stupid people didn't do stupid things, no one would need rescuing.
what if a tornado ripped through your house and buried you underneath the debris?
If it's your house, surely your home insurance would take care of any such costs anyway though.....
i dunno.  i wouldnt bet on that.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7042|Salt Lake City

usmarine wrote:

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

If stupid people didn't do stupid things, no one would need rescuing.
what if a tornado ripped through your house and buried you underneath the debris?
That's a bit different though.  Tornadoes can't be predicted.  They can see weather patterns that may give rise to them, but can't predict where or when they will hit.  When they do come it's usually only with a small amount of notice.  Hurricanes are seen coming for many days before they actually arrive.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6887|SE London

usmarine wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

usmarine wrote:


what if a tornado ripped through your house and buried you underneath the debris?
If it's your house, surely your home insurance would take care of any such costs anyway though.....
i dunno.  i wouldnt bet on that.
Mine would. I've checked.
MGS3_GrayFox
Member
+50|6473

usmarine wrote:

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

If stupid people didn't do stupid things, no one would need rescuing.
what if a tornado ripped through your house and buried you underneath the debris?
Since everyone who is affected by tornadoes are rednecks, and all rednecks live in trailers...

MOVE THE FUCKING TRAILER.

Its already on wheels, so its easy.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6848|Texas - Bigger than France

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

usmarine wrote:

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

If stupid people didn't do stupid things, no one would need rescuing.
what if a tornado ripped through your house and buried you underneath the debris?
Since everyone who is affected by tornadoes are rednecks, and all rednecks live in trailers...

MOVE THE FUCKING TRAILER.

Its already on wheels, so its easy.
No its not that easy.   You can't expect to move a trailer because it's really hard to fix a '71 Ford Pinto (rust colored) which has been on blocks for six years.  Besides that, where will the coon dog sleep without shade?
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7067

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

usmarine wrote:

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

If stupid people didn't do stupid things, no one would need rescuing.
what if a tornado ripped through your house and buried you underneath the debris?
Since everyone who is affected by tornadoes are rednecks, and all rednecks live in trailers...

MOVE THE FUCKING TRAILER.

Its already on wheels, so its easy.
deport ricans tbh

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