BF2S Forums Bash Islam all you want, DST allows you

I've often thought the same thing.

sergeriver wrote:

jord wrote:

Like I said in the other thread. The mods go by reports, I'm pretty sure our resident Nazi's thread got mass reported. So I'm wondering if anyone bothered to report our resident racists thread?

Cmon, do you really think that none of the mods read that title and felt curious about that?

Actually the title of the thread got edited, which made me laugh. The title up until edited was just "I've never heard it said so clearly" or something like that.

A couple snippets from conversations in private messages on the subject. They make pretty good sense out of context, so they'll do for now. If you don't get the answer you're looking for you can expect a more full response later.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I'm not really sure who these other people are who bash religions and get banned. The blatant anti-semitics? Certainly I don't know any who have been banned for bashing Christianity or religion in general, and there is a lot of that. People have different opinions on it and will be allowed to hold them so long as there is some basis in reality as to their reasons for it. With today's political situation in the Middle East and many of the laws being passed concerning Islam in England, while you and I might not agree with his views, it is certainly a valid political position.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Every case that I can think of where someone has been banned for antisemitism the user either expressed neo-nazi views or had nazi slang in their username or email. That is blind hate, with no other reason than to justify racial superiority.

What about the anti-zionists? In many ways that could be construed as railing against the Jews just as others rail against Muslims. Yes they target a specific religious group, but that does not necessarily mean their views are politically unfounded or that they are racists.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

A couple snippets from conversations in private messages on the subject. They make pretty good sense out of context, so they'll do for now. If you don't get the answer you're looking for you can expect a more full response later.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I'm not really sure who these other people are who bash religions and get banned. The blatant anti-semitics? Certainly I don't know any who have been banned for bashing Christianity or religion in general, and there is a lot of that. People have different opinions on it and will be allowed to hold them so long as there is some basis in reality as to their reasons for it. With today's political situation in the Middle East and many of the laws being passed concerning Islam in England, while you and I might not agree with his views, it is certainly a valid political position.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Every case that I can think of where someone has been banned for antisemitism the user either expressed neo-nazi views or had nazi slang in their username or email. That is blind hate, with no other reason than to justify racial superiority.

What about the anti-zionists? In many ways that could be construed as railing against the Jews just as others rail against Muslims. Yes they target a specific religious group, but that does not necessarily mean their views are politically unfounded or that they are racists.

Islam is a disease?

Edit: I think everyone remembers this quote.

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-08-31 17:32:07)

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

Well, the fair and unbiased thing to do is what you say.

But islam is the only religion that supports strapping bombs on yourself and flying planes into buildings so fuck it.

no no and no.

Islam doesnt support that kind of bullshit,a bunch of muslims do such actions and you idiots think that islam ordered them to do so.

How come no one bashes Buddhism? Then I might be able to get involved.

Last edited by jsnipy (2008-08-31 17:35:43)

jsnipy wrote:

How come no one bashes Buddhism? Then I might be able to get involved.

Nobody here is Chinese.


Ziiiiiiing.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

A couple snippets from conversations in private messages on the subject. They make pretty good sense out of context, so they'll do for now. If you don't get the answer you're looking for you can expect a more full response later.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I'm not really sure who these other people are who bash religions and get banned. The blatant anti-semitics? Certainly I don't know any who have been banned for bashing Christianity or religion in general, and there is a lot of that. People have different opinions on it and will be allowed to hold them so long as there is some basis in reality as to their reasons for it. With today's political situation in the Middle East and many of the laws being passed concerning Islam in England, while you and I might not agree with his views, it is certainly a valid political position.

Islam is a disease?

Edit: I think everyone remembers this quote.

the more accurate quote is religion is a disease

That wasn't what the sig of a "well distinguished" member read.  Anyway, I don't buy any Religion, but it's very offensive to say that Religion is a disease.

Kmarion wrote:

It's a conspiracy I tell ya. How many active mods in DAST actually practice a religion anyways? I certainly hold no allegiance. It's threads like this that seem like there purpose is to manipulate us into favoring one group. Playing the victim never worked with me (poor Islam). I'm an equal opportunity basher critic. Harden up.

And what do I win by doing that?  I'm a half Jew agnostic.  Try again dude.  There are double standards here regarding Religions.

In my opinion no religion should be placed up high on a shelf as being exempt of criticism and negative comments. If someone can construct a good argument against a religious establishment (within the context of a suitable and appropriate thread)- then let them. I don't think it's right to censor or punish members merely because they bad-mouthed a religion and/or its' people. Why should we still treat religion with ubiquitous respect and honour their views and morals? I don't really like the idea of pussyfooting around a topic concerning religion simply because we are discussing religion in a negative way. That's a very medieval way of practising your right to Free Speech. The religious establishments did nothing to earn or deserve their infallible status.

Having said that, often a right to free speech and to fair comment strays into the region of bigotry and racism. Outright racism and abusive behaviour should not be tolerated on any self-respecting discussion board; it's simply not conducive to the level of intelligent debate. So I do think it was wholly correct to ban the Ausch88 character that trolled these boards a while back... and perhaps other resident D&ST members also have crossed this line at moments (David P. being a good example, as I'm sure he will appreciate being recognised for).

It's a sensitive issue but I'd really hate to see members of this Forum shy away from 'x' topic of discussion because it is considered too 'fringe' or risque. Fuck it, let's criticize and debate everything- why should a certain topic be out of bounds . Just go about it an intelligent, respectful and mature manner!

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

It's a conspiracy I tell ya. How many active mods in DAST actually practice a religion anyways? I certainly hold no allegiance. It's threads like this that seem like there purpose is to manipulate us into favoring one group. Playing the victim never worked with me (poor Islam). I'm an equal opportunity basher critic. Harden up.

And what do I win by doing that?  I'm a half Jew agnostic.  Try again dude.  There are double standards here regarding Religions.

A convenient way to declare yourself off limits. Sorry bud, I know the history of your post. People only see what they want here. You are a perfect example.

He is expressing his feelings about Islam, he is not saying wipe all Muslims off the face of the planet. If that changes to him saying that, then ban him.

Plus any religion thread goes off topic quicker that a metrolink train in LA.