BF2S Forums Wake Island - IT EXISTS!!!

stryyker wrote:

for the love of god tell me your are joking..
if not, mabye you should attend your history classes

ComradeWho wrote:

Chester you're a fool dude. It's clear from the log what happened here, and it's clear from the series failed posts on your part that you're only recourse at this point is to nit-pick.

I must have really pissed you off when I pointed out how ignorant your posts were and destroyed the arguments about the "importance" of wake with a superior understanding of the battle.

I wonder if you're waiting for somebody else to make a poor argument about how important wake is so you can post that they "owned" me, and then when it's clear that they haven't just try and claim that arguing with such noble folk is "america hatin"

americans have an absurdly ignorant understanding of history (even our own). that's just a fact, jack.

ComradeWho wrote:

I2elik wrote:

Congratulations! You have been promoted to smacktard status.

Yes. it is a real map, it's obvious, it was in BF1942, so it HAD to be real, like all the other maps that came with it, whoever said Wake Island wasn't real should be hogtied in a basement in Siberia and left there.

there's no more reason for a person living in Sydney Australia to be aware of this minimal event in United States/Japanese military history any more than there's a reason for me to know about anything that the Australians did.  It strikes of ethnocentricity to be offended by and demean somebody who's neither Japanese or a United States citizen who just learned of this. There's no reason for the battle of Wake to be taught outside of a US History or History of WW2 course - why would it be in standard Australian textbooks?

Dilbert2468 wrote:

ComradeWho wrote:

I2elik wrote:

Congratulations! You have been promoted to smacktard status.

Yes. it is a real map, it's obvious, it was in BF1942, so it HAD to be real, like all the other maps that came with it, whoever said Wake Island wasn't real should be hogtied in a basement in Siberia and left there.

there's no more reason for a person living in Sydney Australia to be aware of this minimal event in United States/Japanese military history any more than there's a reason for me to know about anything that the Australians did.  It strikes of ethnocentricity to be offended by and demean somebody who's neither Japanese or a United States citizen who just learned of this. There's no reason for the battle of Wake to be taught outside of a US History or History of WW2 course - why would it be in standard Australian textbooks?

thats complete bullshit.  go read a book.

Dilbert2468 wrote:

no im talking about Australia here. go read some Australian history about world war 2 in the pacific you might be enlightened

SierraKilo9 wrote:

Terrible_chester wrote:

you little bitches and your anti-american bullshit make me sick. Especially those of you who are american. pussy fucktards.

the whole point of this is that you would -think- in a fucking war game forum that it would be common knowledge that all the maps in this war game are based around real places...that was part of the appeal of it for me. but all you bitch made america haters want to make it about americans thinking there parts in WW2 are the most important (never mind that they WERE the most important you fucks) when that isnt even what its about.

Wanna fight?

ComradeWho wrote:

Terrible_chester wrote:

ComradeWho wrote:

Chester you're a fool dude. It's clear from the log what happened here, and it's clear from the series failed posts on your part that you're only recourse at this point is to nit-pick.

I must have really pissed you off when I pointed out how ignorant your posts were and destroyed the arguments about the "importance" of wake with a superior understanding of the battle.

I wonder if you're waiting for somebody else to make a poor argument about how important wake is so you can post that they "owned" me, and then when it's clear that they haven't just try and claim that arguing with such noble folk is "america hatin"

americans have an absurdly ignorant understanding of history (even our own). that's just a fact, jack.

the thing about this that is the most sad is :YOUR DUMB ASS STILL THINKS I BASED ANYTHING I EVER SAID ON U.S HISTORY!!!!


Stop being such an arrogant tool for 5 seconds and actually read what I have said...let it soak in a bit...ans then if you have the sack you can come back and say your sorry.

and if breaking down each comment you have made, then showing it to be utter crap is "nit-picking" than I guess Im a nit picker.

you've done nothing but tell everyone they have missed the point when in reality you are the one who hasnt got a clue.   

I feel sorry for you. your life must be very sad.

chester i haven't responded to your having brought the argument so far off track because it's almost an insult to my intelligence to even acknowledge your line of argument.

my first posts were totally appropriate to the people i was replying to. when the guy (who was not you by the way) said "you're joking right" i made sure to bash him both for ethnocentricity and for being a snob about understanding the game since there's no way of knowing. you actually are so desperate to feel like you're winning that you went to one of the posts i made to another person and pretended that i was responding to your post where you said "joking right?" or whatever it is you said.

when you said "he's joking right" or whatever I didn't even bother to respond to that. I have no idea why you're even picking the argument up. it's pathetic. the only times I responded to you is when you said i was "owned" and when you made that ridiculous post about "america haters." This is why I've been saying the "history is in the posts." All you have to do is read it. if Relic has a problem with my post then relic can post about it. your posts have without exception been stupid and irrelevant, your inability to acknowledge that is symbollic of your style of arguing. that's why it's not much of a shock to see you demanding an apology from me.

Last edited by sharpchedda (2006-03-03 23:22:43)

sharpchedda wrote:

I'm a 15 year old American, and I didn't know Wake is a real place either. I don't really understand why it is imperative that all Americans know about it anyway.

ComradeWho wrote:

blisteringsilence wrote:

ComradeWho wrote:

[Dude I've got six words for you: Your post about wake was wrong.
You can try to rebound from that all you want, you can focus on the most miniscule part of my post and turn it into a lengthy essay while ignoring the entire point of my post, but at the end of the day you challenged my claim and your challenge failed. there's still no reason for some kid in australia to know or even care about wake island.

And you ignored my response. You're committing the very sin for which you chastised Terrible_Chester. If the OP, who is from Australia, had been properly educated in history, then he would have know about Wake Island. World History is just that, the history of the world. Often it is taught with a patriotic or apologetic bent, but it should be learned nonetheless. The battle of Wake Island was important, not for military or stragetic reasons, but for morale. If you had been better educated you would know more about the Australian's contributions to the world, especially with regards to their military. I used a number of examples as to other incidents that were *relatively* unimportant militarily, but are still important. Ask a British subject about Dunkirk, or a German about Dresden.

So, in light of the fact that I'm a nice guy, I'm going to repost the argument again, and you can have another go. Its the text in italics.

I'll accept your postulation that Wake's only significance was that it was indeed the first land battle the US was involved in. However, this doesn't make it any less important. For hundreds of years, countries have used the propaganda surrounding an intial defeat to rally their citizens to battle (lets go with the alamo, the Maine, and say, the Yalu river).

you would never learn about Wake Island in a world history course taught outside of the US. Wake island is not even important to our general history. listen dude, everything was important for morale. you're still over-inflating the importance of Wake. In your first post you tried to link it to island hopping and the survival of Australia. ERRRNT! wrong. Now you're trying to say "well since it was important for morale in the US it's therefor important to the entire war and everybody's understanding of it everywhere!" It's as important as any other victory or defeat from any country. Stow it already. I can't believe you are trying to say that this would be important in a classroom in Australia. And you are actually saying it should be taught in a world history course in australia. Yeah, I can just imagine the curriculum - "prehistory, establishment of first civilization in the middle east and the birth of science, birth of reason and western culture in greece and the fall of athens, roman dominance, chinese flourishing, christianity's rise and the dark ages, the rebirth, the creation of the modern nation-state, (they'd probably be arrogant and throw the founding of their country in there) merchantilism and the industrial revolution, capitalism, the world wars + the battle of wake, the crisis of establishing international law when countries are lined in opposition with each other based on the nature of a nation-state." Dude get a grip - there's no reason for an australian to know or care about wake, and very little reason for any american to. you know what a person ought to know about the second world war? what lead to it and the way it has effected the world since. If you want to know more than you find out. It's not his fault our country's "history" focus is on things that are in the final analysis - quite trivial. By the way I am not guilty of ad hominem since I have provided reasons for my claims.

SierraKilo9 wrote:

Someone posted the other day claiming none of the BF2 maps were real. Well check this out;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Island

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fac … os/wq.html

Weather at Wake Island tomorrow with be partly cloudy with a top of 80 degs F ...... awesome!