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2008-08-01 10:43:39
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6762|The Gem Saloon

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Parker wrote:

http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/fs/get_to1.jpg
I seriously question your source. It varies so much from person to person, I find it hard to believe they narrowed them all down to the second.
LOL
this is pretty classic.


question it all you want, but its been the standard in knife training for more than fifty years.
of course, they could be wrong



@GS-there are two main arteries going through that area. you get deep enough, shock kicks in and you bleed out it a matter of seconds.
im sure you have seen some nasty fucking gut wounds in your time, but this is a whole different beast than small arms wounds.
2008-08-01 10:46:03
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7074|67.222.138.85

Parker wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Parker wrote:

http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/fs/get_to1.jpg
I seriously question your source. It varies so much from person to person, I find it hard to believe they narrowed them all down to the second.
LOL
this is pretty classic.


question it all you want, but its been the standard in knife training for more than fifty years.
of course, they could be wrong



@GS-there are two main arteries going through that area. you get deep enough, shock kicks in and you bleed out it a matter of seconds.
im sure you have seen some nasty fucking gut wounds in your time, but this is a whole different beast than small arms wounds.
I just can't tell where it came from.

How can they say x second this artery? Couldn't it be more for some people, less for others? It doesn't look scientific at all.
2008-08-01 10:46:11
God Save the Queen
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seconds isnt instantly.  If its an arterial wound, regardless of shock, you still have up to a minute to bleed out.
2008-08-01 10:49:41
Roger Lesboules
Ah ben tabarnak!
+316|6945|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!

God Save the Queen wrote:

touch as little of the exposed intestines as possible, cover with dressing....
https://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/Roger_Lesboules/318700.jpg

Humm, Zesty italian guts!

Sorry, had to.
2008-08-01 10:53:03
too_money2007
Member
+145|6676|Keller, Tx
Old man was off his meds.
2008-08-01 10:54:08
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6762|The Gem Saloon

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I just can't tell where it came from.

How can they say x second this artery? Couldn't it be more for some people, less for others? It doesn't look scientific at all.
how can they? maybe from experience dude....
fairbairn & sykes.
go look them up....and their knife.
2008-08-01 10:55:20
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6762|The Gem Saloon

God Save the Queen wrote:

seconds isnt instantly.  If its an arterial wound, regardless of shock, you still have up to a minute to bleed out.
but loss of consciousness from either shock or rapid blood loss, leave you pretty much dead anyway.
not technically, but you wont be doing anything except seeping blood till you do croak.
2008-08-01 10:55:59
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7074|67.222.138.85

Parker wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I just can't tell where it came from.

How can they say x second this artery? Couldn't it be more for some people, less for others? It doesn't look scientific at all.
how can they? maybe from experience dude....
fairbairn & sykes.
go look them up....and their knife.
So they actually killed people? No haha. I would imagine they calculated the volume and pressure of those arteries, and knowing how much blood until someone goes unconscious/dies, just ran the numbers. There are a lot of variables.
2008-08-01 10:56:01
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6711|tropical regions of london
I know my arteries are tripple reinforced with kevlar mesh.
2008-08-01 10:57:01
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6711|tropical regions of london

Parker wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

seconds isnt instantly.  If its an arterial wound, regardless of shock, you still have up to a minute to bleed out.
but loss of consciousness from either shock or rapid blood loss, leave you pretty much dead anyway.
not technically, but you wont be doing anything except seeping blood till you do croak.
well you could say being dropped in the middle of sahara without water is a certain death, just not instant.
2008-08-01 10:57:29
jord
Member
+2,382|7046|The North, beyond the wall.
What if you're a fat bastard and it's more inches to the artery?
2008-08-01 10:58:26
Defiance
Member
+438|7038

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

How can they say x second this artery? Couldn't it be more for some people, less for others? It doesn't look scientific at all.
Of course there will be variation, it's biology.
2008-08-01 10:58:35
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6762|The Gem Saloon

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

So they actually killed people? No haha.
you are making yourself look foolish.
2008-08-01 10:58:40
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7074|67.222.138.85

Defiance wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

How can they say x second this artery? Couldn't it be more for some people, less for others? It doesn't look scientific at all.
Of course there will be variation, it's biology.
Tell that to Parker.

Parker, don't tell me I look like a fool when you're saying it will take x seconds to kill someone here.
2008-08-01 10:59:07
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7134|UK
It doesn't even matter if he wasn't stabbed in a critical location, 30-40 stab wounds to the chest is not something you can survive. Especially when the weapon is one of those kitchen knifes that have 6 inch blades.

A serious gut wound alone will kill you within 30 minutes if your not taken to hospital straight away, even then you still have a high mortality rate.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-08-01 11:01:20)

2008-08-01 10:59:43
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6762|The Gem Saloon

God Save the Queen wrote:

Parker wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

seconds isnt instantly.  If its an arterial wound, regardless of shock, you still have up to a minute to bleed out.
but loss of consciousness from either shock or rapid blood loss, leave you pretty much dead anyway.
not technically, but you wont be doing anything except seeping blood till you do croak.
well you could say being dropped in the middle of sahara without water is a certain death, just not instant.
different.
2008-08-01 11:00:01
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6711|tropical regions of london

jord wrote:

What if you're a fat bastard and it's more inches to the artery?
youll still die in the sahara
2008-08-01 11:00:52
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6762|The Gem Saloon

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Defiance wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

How can they say x second this artery? Couldn't it be more for some people, less for others? It doesn't look scientific at all.
Of course there will be variation, it's biology.
Tell that to Parker.

Parker, don't tell me I look like a fool when you're saying it will take x seconds to kill someone here.
go fucking educate yourself.
ffs you have NO experience when it comes to this.

at least TRY dude.
2008-08-01 11:02:02
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6711|tropical regions of london

Parker wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

Parker wrote:

but loss of consciousness from either shock or rapid blood loss, leave you pretty much dead anyway.
not technically, but you wont be doing anything except seeping blood till you do croak.
well you could say being dropped in the middle of sahara without water is a certain death, just not instant.
different.
the same in that neither being stabbed in the gut or stranded in a desert is an instant death.  Like I said in the first post replying, you could go into shock but thats not an instant death, especially if you are around anyone with medical knowledge.

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-08-01 11:02:36)

2008-08-01 11:02:56
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6762|The Gem Saloon

God Save the Queen wrote:

Parker wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:


well you could say being dropped in the middle of sahara without water is a certain death, just not instant.
different.
the same in that neither being stobbed in the gut or stranded in a desert is an instant death.  Like I said in the first post replying, you could go into shock but thats not an instant death, especially if you are around anyone with medical knowledge.
ok, then ill recant instant death.....how about instant incapacitation.
that fits.
2008-08-01 11:03:48
jord
Member
+2,382|7046|The North, beyond the wall.

God Save the Queen wrote:

jord wrote:

What if you're a fat bastard and it's more inches to the artery?
youll still die in the sahara
I wanted a serious answer you dingle, God I wish slinga was here.

And sahara was a shit film.
2008-08-01 11:04:58
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6762|The Gem Saloon
k, well its been fun arguing with a high schooler about knife wounds, but i have to go to work......you know, making knives
2008-08-01 11:05:29
Defiance
Member
+438|7038

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Tell that to Parker.

Parker, don't tell me I look like a fool when you're saying it will take x seconds to kill someone here.
I imagine that he already knows what the chart is for and has dealt with with it more than us.
2008-08-01 11:06:19
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6711|tropical regions of london

Parker wrote:

how about instant incapacitation.
maybe for you.  Im a machine.
2008-08-01 11:06:57
I'm Jamesey
Do a Research Noob
+506|6500|Scotland!

Parker wrote:

k, well its been fun arguing with a high schooler about knife wounds, but i have to go to work......you know, making knives
I've yet to see you prove you know anything about knife wounds as well, so far you've given a .jpg image and a vague reference to something I can't be bothered googling.

If you make car tyres does that mean you know exactly how long it'd take to beat a man to death with said tyre?

 

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