BF2S Forums What would you do if Muslims were the majority in your country?

Everyone has their own communities. There are even bound to be Scottish/Cornish/Northern monkeys/Welsh neighbourhoods here in London and shit.

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-07-31 05:42:06)

CameronPoe wrote:

Roc18 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

OK then so if Tsechuan province in China decides to up sticks to America tomorrow morning you'll just sit there and twiddle your thumbs?

Immigration isnt invasion man, you are getting those 2 things twisted.

Then the OP is null and void because the only people entitled to live in my country are people born in the EU to EU parents and those that we specifically handpick to enter our country. All others are not welcome and not entitled to stay, ergo the hypothetical situation in the OP is a bit pointless.

The OP isnt null and void because the scenario hes describing is saying that Muslims are allowed in the country if they are immigrating there and end up becoming the majority. What you are saying is that Muslims aren't allowed in your country period or else you would resort to genocide to solve the problem, thats ridiculous. In a Globalized world people need to stop hiding under a rock.

Last edited by Roc18 (2008-07-31 05:56:50)

CameronPoe wrote:

Roc18 wrote:

The OP isnt null and void because the scenario hes describing is saying that Muslims are allowed in the country if they are immigrating there and end up becoming the majority. What you are saying is that Muslims aren't allowed in your country period or else you would resort to genocide to solve the problem, thats ridiculous. In a Globalized world people need to stop hiding under a rock.

Muslims aren't allowed to settle in my country, nor are Americans, nor are Russians, nor are Africans, nor are Latin Americans, nor are.... unless we select a particular person with a particular skillset to fill a gap we have developed. You are dreaming if you think the world is going to be some borderless utopia where people hold hands and prance in the meadows. Globalisation is primarily concerned with rich countries consolidating their poistion at the top of the tree by implementing massively unfair 'free trade' agreements. Don't kid yourself that it's anything more than that or anything more moral than that. Do you not come from the same country that intends to build a wall along your southern border??

I come from a country that is made up of decendants of immigrants and of immigrants. So is every other country in the world since humans originally emigrated from Africa to other places in the world. Globalization not only does what you said but it also forces different countries to interact with each other through trade and organizations like the UN, EU or NAFTA and that's my point. There will always be tensions when it comes to ethnic and religious groups moving from one place to another in the world where they may not be accepted due to people thinking that their national identity is being threatened or just plain hatred and discrimination towards a group, but you know what? that is the problem. Things arent gonna be the same forever and when change occurs how people deal with it determines how well or how bad things will be.

Last edited by Roc18 (2008-07-31 06:24:00)

lowing wrote:

leave. I am not Muslim, and I do not like Islam and will not be surrounded by it if given a choice.

Did someone force you to go and work in Iraq lowing?

In relation to the OP I would be taking action against my own Government way before such a scenario became a reality; open border immigration is not something I advocate. My country does not owe anyone a living and free inward movement of foreign nationals should not be something that is ever permitted. I have no problem at all with people from other countries who want to move here in order to work and fill a demand in a particular market or industry but they will have to get used to my country's laws and culture while doing so. A mass influx of immigrants as outlined in the OP would be tantamount to plantationism and I would stand up to it, with force if necessary.

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

leave. I am not Muslim, and I do not like Islam and will not be surrounded by it if given a choice.

Did someone force you to go and work in Iraq lowing?

In relation to the OP I would be taking action against my own Government way before such a scenario became a reality; open border immigration is not something I advocate. My country does not owe anyone a living and free inward movement of foreign nationals should not be something that is ever permitted. I have no problem at all with people from other countries who want to move here in order to work and fill a demand in a particular market or industry but they will have to get used to my country's laws and culture while doing so. A mass influx of immigrants as outlined in the OP would be tantamount to plantationism and I would stand up to it, with force if necessary.

Sorry Braddock, I am not in Iraq, I couldn't even honestly say I have been to Iraq. That would imply living and working amongst the people of Iraq in everyday situations. I am on a military base that is located in Iraq.

to have a stop over in JFK enroute to London is hardly saying you have been to New York..this would be an example as to what I am talking about.

So yeah, my post stands

So you are in an outpost of US culture, law and customs that is situated in the middle of a conservative Islamic state?

That sounds kind of like a reverse scenario of the kind of thing we are being asked about in the OP...you know, having alien culture we're not comfortable with forcefully landed on our doorstep.

CameronPoe wrote:

I'd have fetched a gun way in advance of something as ludicrous as that. If my government isn't doing its job then I guess I have to do the job myself.

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Did someone force you to go and work in Iraq lowing?

In relation to the OP I would be taking action against my own Government way before such a scenario became a reality; open border immigration is not something I advocate. My country does not owe anyone a living and free inward movement of foreign nationals should not be something that is ever permitted. I have no problem at all with people from other countries who want to move here in order to work and fill a demand in a particular market or industry but they will have to get used to my country's laws and culture while doing so. A mass influx of immigrants as outlined in the OP would be tantamount to plantationism and I would stand up to it, with force if necessary.

Sorry Braddock, I am not in Iraq, I couldn't even honestly say I have been to Iraq. That would imply living and working amongst the people of Iraq in everyday situations. I am on a military base that is located in Iraq.

to have a stop over in JFK enroute to London is hardly saying you have been to New York..this would be an example as to what I am talking about.

So yeah, my post stands

So you are in an outpost of US culture, law and customs that is situated in the middle of a conservative Islamic state?

That sounds kind of like a reverse scenario of the kind of thing we are being asked about in the OP...you know, having alien culture we're not comfortable with forcefully landed on our doorstep.

Not really, the base is home to UN troops, not just the US, and you know this has nothing to do with Serge's OP.

Roc18 wrote:

So you are saying that Globalization i.e (trade, investing, transportation, immigration, hegemonic rule etc) doesn't force different countries to have to cooperate with each other? We are all human although i think human nature will continue to create violence because of fear and mistrust of other people, I think its better to cooperate than fight each other. But what we are talking about is immigration not war not invasions and how people feel threatened by that to the point of committing genocide, people have a right to feel threatened by other cultures and voice their opinion about it and stand against it, but the problem comes in where violence starts to occur and human lives are at risk over ethnic tensions (genocide, civil war etc).

Immigration is NOT part of globalisation. If it were then the US, the main proponent of globalisation, would be attempting to lift all restrictions on entering or leaving the US: it ain't! The type of globalisation you speak of aims to create a monopolar mono-cultural homogenous world devoid of plurality - it takes no account of individual groups of peoples very real rights NOT to participate in these ventures and to practice their customs in their own space as freely as they please. I'm afraid the communists tryed something similar to what you are suggesting and it failed miserably.

CameronPoe wrote:

Roc18 wrote:

So you are saying that Globalization i.e (trade, investing, transportation, immigration, hegemonic rule etc) doesn't force different countries to have to cooperate with each other? We are all human although i think human nature will continue to create violence because of fear and mistrust of other people, I think its better to cooperate than fight each other. But what we are talking about is immigration not war not invasions and how people feel threatened by that to the point of committing genocide, people have a right to feel threatened by other cultures and voice their opinion about it and stand against it, but the problem comes in where violence starts to occur and human lives are at risk over ethnic tensions (genocide, civil war etc).

Immigration is NOT part of globalisation. If it were then the US, the main proponent of globalisation, would be attempting to lift all restrictions on entering or leaving the US: it ain't! The type of globalisation you speak of aims to create a monopolar mono-cultural homogenous world devoid of plurality - it takes no account of individual groups of peoples very real rights NOT to participate in these ventures and to practice their customs in their own space as freely as they please. I'm afraid the communists tryed something similar to what you are suggesting and it failed miserably.

I didn't say anything mono-cultural monopolar anything or about groups of people not having a right to practice customs. What i'm saying is that people cant live under a rock in a world like the one we live in today and that when people eventually have to deal with other cultures they automatically go into a culture shock and can't deal with having people with different customs living in the same country as them. What you are talking about is when gets to the point where one culture or group becomes like an authoritarian blanket over the other and forces the latter to practice customs that they arent familiar with using violence, thats the problem im talking about where different groups cant live peacefully without feeling hateful or anxious towards each other which causes violence. But what we are talking about is immigration and having a muslim majority in a country who practice their customs and don't infringe on anyone elses rights or customs and people seem to have a problem with that still.

jord wrote:

m3thod wrote:

jord wrote:

It would be the opposite of what is it here today. Muslims create their own communities here so they can all live together, I imagine there'd be setting up of British areas where everyone that doesn't want to live goes.

Same with somalians, Jewish, turks, etc etc.

Have you ever been to Golders Green in London?

Not only have I never been, I've never heard of it.

Have you ever heard of Beardwood in Blackburn?

yeah, i heard treebeard hails from there.

Get into the burkha and prayer mat business.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Get into the burkha and prayer mat business.

You're an Infidel, they won't give you their business.