BF2S Forums Looks like Obama is a racist. According to YOU..

Marinejuana wrote:

HollisHurlbut wrote:

at best, empty rhetoric.

that goes for Obama and lowing.

Spark wrote:

I fail to see how and where anybody could think that is racist.

Methinks you're coming up with what you think we think.

ZombieVampire! wrote:

The difference is he was making a general statement, not specifically criticising blacks.

And, as you point out in that thread, few people said that the statement was racist.

lowing wrote:

Taken from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080706/ap_on_el_pr/obama

He preached individual responsibility, saying he knew he risked criticism for "blaming the victim" by talking of the need for parents to help children with homework and turn off the TV, to pass on a healthy self-image to daughters, and teach boys both to respect women and "realize that responsibility does not end at conception."


I think I have pretty much expressed these same feelings, yet was accused of being a racist for saying them. Looks like Obama is also a racist.

I wonder why he would be risking "criticism for blaming the victim" with these words. I guess it must be because there are plenty of other people, other than the parents, who need to be blamed for the raising of THEIR kids?

Anyway, Obama just gained a little respect from me for this comment.

Also he said

"We are not constrained by the accident of birth but can make of our lives what we will," Obama said. He was greeted when he arrived in the vast hall by the most thunderous cheering, waving and screaming that he has heard all week.

Oops a little personal responsibility jab there I think. Sorry for the kryptonite.

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Taken from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080706/ap_on_el_pr/obama

He preached individual responsibility, saying he knew he risked criticism for "blaming the victim" by talking of the need for parents to help children with homework and turn off the TV, to pass on a healthy self-image to daughters, and teach boys both to respect women and "realize that responsibility does not end at conception."


I think I have pretty much expressed these same feelings, yet was accused of being a racist for saying them. Looks like Obama is also a racist.

I wonder why he would be risking "criticism for blaming the victim" with these words. I guess it must be because there are plenty of other people, other than the parents, who need to be blamed for the raising of THEIR kids?

Anyway, Obama just gained a little respect from me for this comment.

Also he said

"We are not constrained by the accident of birth but can make of our lives what we will," Obama said. He was greeted when he arrived in the vast hall by the most thunderous cheering, waving and screaming that he has heard all week.

Oops a little personal responsibility jab there I think. Sorry for the kryptonite.

You really don't listen to other people in debates, do you lowing?

I don't think anyone at any stage argued that personal responsibility wasn't ultimately what is needed to succeed to any degree in life. What some people were arguing was that demographically most African Americans don't have the same head starts in life that many white people do and as such levels of education and social awareness in relation to such issues are more likely to be worse in African American communities. As Cam pointed out on numerous occasions social awareness doesn't magically appear at birth, it needs to be instilled and if society doesn't address it's social problems and continually work to improve awareness then the problems will not get any better...and people like you who choose to dismiss statistics and the existence of such social problems only perpetuate the cycle.

It's very easy for white America to point the finger at the problems of the African American community when they themselves have had a few hundred years head start on the back of work done by slaves.

lowing wrote:

Do not mistake NOT listening with NOT agreeing.......I have heard your argument and I steadfastly think it is bullshit to continue to blame slavery and pre-civil rights era  for personal failure today by those who have not experienced either.......Plain and simple.

lowing wrote:

The thread is ABOUT race, it was denied that Obama was speaking to the black community with his remarks, I merely pointed out that THAT is who he was addressing.

Cam, when we are talking about RACE, in a thread it is kinda hard.......well.............NOT to...........Now, again with all of my posting show me where I hold a different standard for each race EVER!

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I defy you to show where I have ever differenciated my view points on ANYTHING, based on skin color....WHEN you can not, I will not expect an apology from the likes of you.


So the fact that Obama was addressing a black audience when he made these comments were just coincidental I suppose I guess the backlash from the black community is also coincidental.....denial is also one of your strong points as well Cam.

Leaving a certain karma message for a certain poster who had provided a raft of statistics which differentiated on the basis of skin colour betrayed your sentiments.

Your second sentence of this very post also betrays the fact that you focus solely on skin colour. Why is it relevant who he was addressing? Exactly - you are a racist.

The thread is ABOUT race, it was denied that Obama was speaking to the black community with his remarks, I merely pointed out that THAT is who he was addressing.

Cam, when we are talking about RACE, in a thread it is kinda hard.......well.............NOT to...........Now, again with all of my posting show me where I hold a different standard for each race EVER!

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Do not mistake NOT listening with NOT agreeing.......I have heard your argument and I steadfastly think it is bullshit to continue to blame slavery and pre-civil rights era  for personal failure today by those who have not experienced either.......Plain and simple.

We know lowing...you refuse to accept the reality of inherited social problems or the validity of statistics relating to wealth and how it impacts crime figures in various communities. Such things don't exist in your world view. Society's problems are only caused by individuals and the roots of those problem never go any deeper than that, yes?

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Leaving a certain karma message for a certain poster who had provided a raft of statistics which differentiated on the basis of skin colour betrayed your sentiments.

Your second sentence of this very post also betrays the fact that you focus solely on skin colour. Why is it relevant who he was addressing? Exactly - you are a racist.

The thread is ABOUT race, it was denied that Obama was speaking to the black community with his remarks, I merely pointed out that THAT is who he was addressing.

Cam, when we are talking about RACE, in a thread it is kinda hard.......well.............NOT to...........Now, again with all of my posting show me where I hold a different standard for each race EVER!

This is just like the comment about "watching your parents shooting up in the ghetto"...you automatically assume blackness because of your strong personal bias.