But neither is anyone else, the US isn't the only country that went into Iraq. Don't see why the US has to be the one who makes the decision to go into a country, why doesn't someone else do it?Braddock wrote:
Mugabe is a cunt.
It's funny, the US had to to topple the Saddam regime because he was a tyrant who treated his people horribly (remember it wasn't about WMD in the end, that was just a little mistake that enabled them to figure out that they were actually doing it for a higher purpose). Of course it had nothing to do with oil or strategic gain in the Middle East...it was because America loves freedom and democracy and will fight to defend it for every man, woman and child no matter where they are.
It's funny how they don't bulldoze through UN 'red tape' to sort stuff out in places like Zimbabwe.
like argentinaM.O.A.B wrote:
why doesn't someone else do it?
I don't think the US should be the 'world police' either, I was just making the point about how countries that offer material gain get 'liberated' ahead of poor third world countries.M.O.A.B wrote:
But neither is anyone else, the US isn't the only country that went into Iraq. Don't see why the US has to be the one who makes the decision to go into a country, why doesn't someone else do it?Braddock wrote:
Mugabe is a cunt.
It's funny, the US had to to topple the Saddam regime because he was a tyrant who treated his people horribly (remember it wasn't about WMD in the end, that was just a little mistake that enabled them to figure out that they were actually doing it for a higher purpose). Of course it had nothing to do with oil or strategic gain in the Middle East...it was because America loves freedom and democracy and will fight to defend it for every man, woman and child no matter where they are.
It's funny how they don't bulldoze through UN 'red tape' to sort stuff out in places like Zimbabwe.
I think because nobody else really wants to but does it afterwards so they don't feel like they didn't help. Like when you go out with your friends and your at the club starring at four chicks wishing you had the balls to go over. We all have that ONE friend (America) who is already hammered and goes over anyways. Now, we wait for rejection from afar so we can laugh at him when he stumbles back with nothing. Maybe one of us (France) who will go over to "Apologize" and work an angle that way. Or, if he succeeds we wait a few minutes and go over and introduce ourselves and offer to buy drinks to help with the numbing of being bent over and fuck later on (foreign policy). Now, in the middle of the night we fade off into oblivion trying to navigate a hostile and unfamiliar apartment (exit strategy) and meet at Denny's for 5 am chesburgers ( politicians).M.O.A.B wrote:
But neither is anyone else, the US isn't the only country that went into Iraq. Don't see why the US has to be the one who makes the decision to go into a country, why doesn't someone else do it?Braddock wrote:
Mugabe is a cunt.
It's funny, the US had to to topple the Saddam regime because he was a tyrant who treated his people horribly (remember it wasn't about WMD in the end, that was just a little mistake that enabled them to figure out that they were actually doing it for a higher purpose). Of course it had nothing to do with oil or strategic gain in the Middle East...it was because America loves freedom and democracy and will fight to defend it for every man, woman and child no matter where they are.
It's funny how they don't bulldoze through UN 'red tape' to sort stuff out in places like Zimbabwe.
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I dont think this species has evolved to the point where we hold the welfare of the world community more importantly than we do our own individual nations and cultures.Braddock wrote:
I don't think the US should be the 'world police' either, I was just making the point about how countries that offer material gain get 'liberated' ahead of poor third world countries.M.O.A.B wrote:
But neither is anyone else, the US isn't the only country that went into Iraq. Don't see why the US has to be the one who makes the decision to go into a country, why doesn't someone else do it?Braddock wrote:
Mugabe is a cunt.
It's funny, the US had to to topple the Saddam regime because he was a tyrant who treated his people horribly (remember it wasn't about WMD in the end, that was just a little mistake that enabled them to figure out that they were actually doing it for a higher purpose). Of course it had nothing to do with oil or strategic gain in the Middle East...it was because America loves freedom and democracy and will fight to defend it for every man, woman and child no matter where they are.
It's funny how they don't bulldoze through UN 'red tape' to sort stuff out in places like Zimbabwe.
Wars are usually costly to the country as a whole (but extremely profitable for a select few) - so I doubt people are going to go in on a goodwill basis. Zimbabwe, what does it have worth going in for? It's not like it's even a threat to any of the major powers or their allies. So, the only real reason to go in is to actually help out the people. No country will do that, No country would have done that 500 years ago either when war was a part of life.Braddock wrote:
I don't think the US should be the 'world police' either, I was just making the point about how countries that offer material gain get 'liberated' ahead of poor third world countries.M.O.A.B wrote:
But neither is anyone else, the US isn't the only country that went into Iraq. Don't see why the US has to be the one who makes the decision to go into a country, why doesn't someone else do it?Braddock wrote:
Mugabe is a cunt.
It's funny, the US had to to topple the Saddam regime because he was a tyrant who treated his people horribly (remember it wasn't about WMD in the end, that was just a little mistake that enabled them to figure out that they were actually doing it for a higher purpose). Of course it had nothing to do with oil or strategic gain in the Middle East...it was because America loves freedom and democracy and will fight to defend it for every man, woman and child no matter where they are.
It's funny how they don't bulldoze through UN 'red tape' to sort stuff out in places like Zimbabwe.
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Except in that scenario thousands of people aren't killed and no one gets any oil or lucrative 're-building' contracts.deeznutz1245 wrote:
I think because nobody else really wants to but does it afterwards so they don't feel like they didn't help. Like when you go out with your friends and your at the club starring at four chicks wishing you had the balls to go over. We all have that ONE friend (America) who is already hammered and goes over anyways. Now, we wait for rejection from afar so we can laugh at him when he stumbles back with nothing. Maybe one of us (France) who will go over to "Apologize" and work an angle that way. Or, if he succeeds we wait a few minutes and go over and introduce ourselves and offer to buy drinks to help with the numbing of being bent over and fuck later on (foreign policy). Now, in the middle of the night we fade off into the night (exit strategy) and meet at Denny's for 5 am chesburgers ( politicians).M.O.A.B wrote:
But neither is anyone else, the US isn't the only country that went into Iraq. Don't see why the US has to be the one who makes the decision to go into a country, why doesn't someone else do it?Braddock wrote:
Mugabe is a cunt.
It's funny, the US had to to topple the Saddam regime because he was a tyrant who treated his people horribly (remember it wasn't about WMD in the end, that was just a little mistake that enabled them to figure out that they were actually doing it for a higher purpose). Of course it had nothing to do with oil or strategic gain in the Middle East...it was because America loves freedom and democracy and will fight to defend it for every man, woman and child no matter where they are.
It's funny how they don't bulldoze through UN 'red tape' to sort stuff out in places like Zimbabwe.
Some coalition - have you see the numbers and QUALITY?M.O.A.B wrote:
But neither is anyone else, the US isn't the only country that went into Iraq. Don't see why the US has to be the one who makes the decision to go into a country, why doesn't someone else do it?Braddock wrote:
Mugabe is a cunt.
It's funny, the US had to to topple the Saddam regime because he was a tyrant who treated his people horribly (remember it wasn't about WMD in the end, that was just a little mistake that enabled them to figure out that they were actually doing it for a higher purpose). Of course it had nothing to do with oil or strategic gain in the Middle East...it was because America loves freedom and democracy and will fight to defend it for every man, woman and child no matter where they are.
It's funny how they don't bulldoze through UN 'red tape' to sort stuff out in places like Zimbabwe.
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What was the standard of their military traning?God Save the Queen wrote:
I did A LOT of missions with Macedonian special forces. they were pretty cool peeps. used a lot of commie weapons though.
No, but the others were only there because the US asked them.M.O.A.B wrote:
But neither is anyone else, the US isn't the only country that went into Iraq. Don't see why the US has to be the one who makes the decision to go into a country, why doesn't someone else do it?
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Braddock wrote:
But neither is anyone else, the US isn't the only country that went into Iraq. Don't see why the US has to be the one who makes the decision to go into a country, why doesn't someone else do it?
deeznutz1245 wrote:
I think because nobody else really wants to but does it afterwards so they don't feel like they didn't help. Like when you go out with your friends and your at the club starring at four chicks wishing you had the balls to go over. We all have that ONE friend (America) who is already hammered and goes over anyways. Now, we wait for rejection from afar so we can laugh at him when he stumbles back with nothing. Maybe one of us (France) who will go over to "Apologize" and work an angle that way. Or, if he succeeds we wait a few minutes and go over and introduce ourselves and offer to buy drinks to help with the numbing of being bent over and fuck later on (foreign policy). Now, in the middle of the night we fade off into the night (exit strategy) and meet at Denny's for 5 am chesburgers ( politicians).
Yes, but babies are made.Braddock wrote:
Except in that scenario thousands of people aren't killed and no one gets any oil or lucrative 're-building' contracts.
They didn't have to take part though.ZombieVampire! wrote:
m3thod: Whilst we do have a history with bad military purchases (some great stories there), we've actually been quite successful acting in nearby nations, often on our own.No, but the others were only there because the US asked them.M.O.A.B wrote:
But neither is anyone else, the US isn't the only country that went into Iraq. Don't see why the US has to be the one who makes the decision to go into a country, why doesn't someone else do it?
they were some hardy guys. we would either drop them off at a sniper location while we went on a route security patrol. we would serve as the bait for anyone who had IED's in the road while they were looking to drop somebody or We would be tasked with pulling security for them at a sniper position. What surprised me was how relaxed they were. Whe I was with the security team, they would tell us (americans) to take our gear off and relax, they had this covered. that kind of attitude is consistent in the special operations community.m3thod wrote:
What was the standard of their military traning?God Save the Queen wrote:
I did A LOT of missions with Macedonian special forces. they were pretty cool peeps. used a lot of commie weapons though.
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Yes, but if the question is "Why will the US go into Iraq but not South Africa?" then the equivalent for the other members of the Coalition would be "Why will [insert name here] follow the US into Iraq but not South Africa?".M.O.A.B wrote:
They didn't have to take part though.ZombieVampire! wrote:
m3thod: Whilst we do have a history with bad military purchases (some great stories there), we've actually been quite successful acting in nearby nations, often on our own.No, but the others were only there because the US asked them.M.O.A.B wrote:
But neither is anyone else, the US isn't the only country that went into Iraq. Don't see why the US has to be the one who makes the decision to go into a country, why doesn't someone else do it?