BF2S Forums Why are lots of crimes committed by blacks?

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yer right, it ain't skin color..........It is the personal actions of individuals that commit crime that makes them criminals......It is NOT because of slavery or the civil rights movement, or any other era in history that the people in question were never a part of of lived through, to claim suffering.

I have been called a racist because I hold EACH person accountable for their actions. IF we are talking bout the black community then so be it.

If we are talking about the white community then so be it, my observations still apply.......It is consistant. There is nothing racial about it.

Face it scorpion, there is truth tho what I have posted

No, there is simply no truth to what you post.

You assume perfect equality of opportunity, and, yet again, you refuse to accept another fundamental truth that has been explained to you time and time again.

That is, there is no 'equality of opportunity' within the US, Ireland, the UK, Europe, or anywhere in the world.

Ones socio-economic background plays a very large part in determining ones success in life.

More poor in the US are black, than white. Therefore more blacks than whites, in the US, are at a disadvantage. Therefore more blacks than whites, in the US, turn to crime.

Q.E.D.

NO, what that means is more blacks need to exercise more personal responsibility. Disadvantage or not, there is NO excuse for criminal behavior. There are social programs in place to assist the "disadvantaged". It is SOLEY up to the "disadvantaged" to take some, or all advantage of these programs.

To say I robbed the liquor store because my GGG grandfather was a slave, or becasue my grandfather drank from a "colored only" water fountain
is complete and utter bullshit.

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

NO, what that means is more blacks need to exercise more personal responsibility. Disadvantage or not, there is NO excuse for criminal behavior. There are social programs in place to assist the "disadvantaged". It is SOLEY up to the "disadvantaged" to take some, or all advantage of these programs.

To say I robbed the liquor store because my GGG grandfather was a slave, or becasue my grandfather drank from a "colored only" water fountain
is complete and utter bullshit.

*sigh*

No-one is saying "they commit crime because of slavery, etc".

We are saying "they are poor and disadvantaged because of said slavery, etc".

Crime is a natural and unavoidable consequence of having 'rich' and 'poor'.

The poor do all the shitty jobs.

Some that are poor don't want to do the shitty jobs, and who can blame them? would you?

Some that are poor are simply not intelligent enough to take advantage of, for example, social education programs.

And, because they're poor, they don't have Rich Daddy there to bail them out.

They are poor and disadvantaged, NOT because of slavery, but because they do not have thr drive, gumption, ambition etc...to be anything else.
If slavery were the reason, then we would not have a black middle class at all. It is individualism that matters, not history.

Slavery is used as a scapegoat for personal failure, you accept it, I do not.

THe poor do the shitty jobs? Then stop being poor and better your situation.

Would I want to do the shitty jobs?? Nope, that is why I am not poor.

Would I be poor if I did not finish HS, find a trade and apply myself toward a better life? Yeah I would be...

Are you really implying that all white people, or even most white people, have rich daddy's bailing them out? and I am accused of generalizing?

PureFodder wrote:

So Lowing, if everyone took your advice, tried their hardest, had ambition and did everything you want them to do, due to the inherent nature of what jobs there are and the fact that the higher you go in a company the less jobs there are, most people would still end up poor.

Your argument fails in that in order to do well you have to be better than you peers, by definition, this means that most people aren't going to make it, however hard they try. Everyone is good/bad at what they do relative to everyone else. How good everyone else is is absolutley out of your control. There are factors that affect how well you are going to do in life that are completely out of your control.

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

So Lowing, if everyone took your advice, tried their hardest, had ambition and did everything you want them to do, due to the inherent nature of what jobs there are and the fact that the higher you go in a company the less jobs there are, most people would still end up poor.

Your argument fails in that in order to do well you have to be better than you peers, by definition, this means that most people aren't going to make it, however hard they try. Everyone is good/bad at what they do relative to everyone else. How good everyone else is is absolutley out of your control. There are factors that affect how well you are going to do in life that are completely out of your control.

I see, so how many educated, experienced, ambitious, driven to succeed, non drug abuser, non-alcoholic, been poor and homeless for their entire life, people do you know of? Or are you gunna tell me that there is no corolation, whatsoever, to poverty and a lack of self motivation, lack of ambition, lack of drive. I see, all people are poor because of slavery huh? just like scorpion acesses?

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

lol, remind me to never drive through palm beach county

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

They are poor and disadvantaged, NOT because of slavery, but because they do not have thr drive, gumption, ambition etc...to be anything else.
If slavery were the reason, then we would not have a black middle class at all. It is individualism that matters, not history.

Slavery is used as a scapegoat for personal failure, you accept it, I do not.

THe poor do the shitty jobs? Then stop being poor and better your situation.

Would I want to do the shitty jobs?? Nope, that is why I am not poor.

Would I be poor if I did not finish HS, find a trade and apply myself toward a better life? Yeah I would be...

Are you really implying that all white people, or even most white people, have rich daddy's bailing them out? and I am accused of generalizing?

Where did I say anything about whites having or not having rich daddy's?

I did not.

I said "the poor do not have rich daddy to bail them out".

The poor.

Not blacks, nor whites, nor yellows, nor greens or even blues.

Just THE POOR.

Again, you're seeing/reading what fits into your stereotyped view of the world. Not that what is actually written.

OHHHHHHHHHHH forgive me, When you said "THEY were POOR BECAUSE of SAID SLAVERY"....I assumed you were talking about the black poor...I had no idea that you were talking about all the poor............So now you must be saying ALL the poor are poor because of "said slavery". You got some explaining to do with that accusation.


Nice try pal.....but we both know what you were talking about, so either get on challenging my post and explain how sociology trumps personal responsibility. or move along


I am reading and responding to what YOU write.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

*sigh*

No-one is saying "they commit crime because of slavery, etc".

We are saying "they are poor and disadvantaged because of said slavery, etc".

BREAK

Crime is a natural and unavoidable consequence of having 'rich' and 'poor'.

BREAK

The poor do all the shitty jobs.

Some that are poor don't want to do the shitty jobs, and who can blame them? would you?

Some that are poor are simply not intelligent enough to take advantage of, for example, social education programs.

And, because they're poor, they don't have Rich Daddy there to bail them out.

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-06-26 17:57:04)

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Where did I say anything about whites having or not having rich daddy's?

I did not.

I said "the poor do not have rich daddy to bail them out".

The poor.

Not blacks, nor whites, nor yellows, nor greens or even blues.

Just THE POOR.

Again, you're seeing/reading what fits into your stereotyped view of the world. Not that what is actually written.

OHHHHHHHHHHH forgive me, When you said "THEY were POOR BECAUSE of SAID SLAVERY"....I assumed you were talking about the black poor...I had no idea that you were talking about all the poor............So now you must be saying ALL the poor are poor because of "said slavery". You got some explaining to do with that accusation.


Nice try pal.....but we both know what you were talking about, so either get on challenging my post and explain how sociology trumps personal responsibility. or move along


I am reading and responding to what YOU write.

Try some comprehension.

Lets, look at what I actually wrote again:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

*sigh*

No-one is saying "they commit crime because of slavery, etc".

We are saying "they are poor and disadvantaged because of said slavery, etc".

BREAK

Crime is a natural and unavoidable consequence of having 'rich' and 'poor'.

BREAK

The poor do all the shitty jobs.

Some that are poor don't want to do the shitty jobs, and who can blame them? would you?

Some that are poor are simply not intelligent enough to take advantage of, for example, social education programs.

And, because they're poor, they don't have Rich Daddy there to bail them out.

Highlights and BREAKs added for the terminally stupid.

Now, note how I start by talking about 'they', clearly referring to blacks, and state that 'they' are 'poor'?

Right, got that?

Ok, then see how I state that crime is a consequence of poverty?

Yes?

Ok, now see how, oh so skill-fully, continue this line of reasoning to talk about further concequences of poverty?

yeah?

Cool, right, here's the important bit, so pay attention - note how the last line says "because they're poor...", and I shall repeat that, in case you missed it, "because they're poor...",  ooh, what was that? did I say 'black'? OMG! LOOK! I DIDN'T! - I said 'poor'!

It is you that reads 'poor' and thinks 'black'.

LividBovine wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

So Lowing, if everyone took your advice, tried their hardest, had ambition and did everything you want them to do, due to the inherent nature of what jobs there are and the fact that the higher you go in a company the less jobs there are, most people would still end up poor.

Your argument fails in that in order to do well you have to be better than you peers, by definition, this means that most people aren't going to make it, however hard they try. Everyone is good/bad at what they do relative to everyone else. How good everyone else is is absolutely out of your control. There are factors that affect how well you are going to do in life that are completely out of your control.

Precisely.

So they shouldn't try to better themselves?  They are now allowed to commit crimes because they are starting off poor?  Nice that poor people have an excuse for doing bad stuff.

LividBovine wrote:

But it gets used as an excuse.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Try some comprehension.

Lets, look at what I actually wrote again:

Highlights and BREAKs added for the terminally stupid.

Now, note how I start by talking about 'they', clearly referring to blacks, and state that 'they' are 'poor'?

Right, got that?

Ok, then see how I state that crime is a consequence of poverty?

Yes?

Ok, now see how, oh so skill-fully, continue this line of reasoning to talk about further concequences of poverty?

yeah?

Cool, right, here's the important bit, so pay attention - note how the last line says "because they're poor...", and I shall repeat that, in case you missed it, "because they're poor...",  ooh, what was that? did I say 'black'? OMG! LOOK! I DIDN'T! - I said 'poor'!

It is you that reads 'poor' and thinks 'black'.

That is what I love about dipshits such as yourself, everytime you get busted in one of yourquotes you gotta break it down to the word in order show "whatcha really meant". Forget the context of the discussion, forget that we were talking about blacks...........So very Clintonesque of you...No worries though, Cam does the same thing. lol

No, not to show "whatcha really meant", rather to show "what I really wrote" - comprehending the correct meaning is your task, as much as it is ours - that's what comprehension means - you understanding what we actually write - not you understanding what you think we write.

You are talking about blacks and saying that there is a correlation between being black and committing crime.

We are saying that said apparent 'correlation' is an illusion - the true correlation lies in the connection between poverty and crime.

Hence, we give you evidence, like the fact that in the UK, for example, the ethnic mix of people in poverty is much more uniform than it is in the US, and, so, we have a much more uniform ethnic mix amongst criminals.

The linking factor amongst criminals is poverty not race.

The fact you continually want to associate crime with race, whereas we have moved on from that, and would be happy to discus the true causes of said crime, reveals your prejudices, not ours.

Last edited by lowing (2008-06-27 11:04:45)

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

No, not to show "whatcha really meant", rather to show "what I really wrote" - comprehending the correct meaning is your task, as much as it is ours - that's what comprehension means - you understanding what we actually write - not you understanding what you think we write.

You are talking about blacks and saying that there is a correlation between being black and committing crime.

We are saying that said apparent 'correlation' is an illusion - the true correlation lies in the connection between poverty and crime.

Hence, we give you evidence, like the fact that in the UK, for example, the ethnic mix of people in poverty is much more uniform than it is in the US, and, so, we have a much more uniform ethnic mix amongst criminals.

The linking factor amongst criminals is poverty not race.

The fact you continually want to associate crime with race, whereas we have moved on from that, and would be happy to discus the true causes of said crime, reveals your prejudices, not ours.

Man, you really know how to trip over your own dick don't ya? Never not once, did I make a "correlation between being black and committing crime". Not once.  ( I defy you to showme where I did so)

Okey-doke.

Thread title: "Why are lots of crimes committed by blacks?"

Your title. Your words.